Official Trade Thread XI (Visitors post trades HERE)

[Tyrone Messby]

Man EG better dump Jamison or this board is going to go nuts. Me included.

[miller31time]

For all you Stevenson apologists, guys like Dat and me said that his deal was way too much for such a crappy player.

I'll throw my name in with you two. I thought signing Stevenson for anything more than the vet's minimum was beyond crazy. Not because he wasn't useful at the time he was re-signed but because you just knew that any shooting guard plugged into EJ's system would yield decent numbers and production.

Oh, and we were betting against ourselves.

This organization is just pathetic.

[colts18]

Someone explain to me the obsession with getting under the luxury tax? Who cares if the Wizards have to spend $5-6 Million because they are $3 Million over the Tax. Going under the tax doesn't really give the Wizards any advantages.

[LyricalRico]

Someone explain to me the obsession with getting under the luxury tax? Who cares if the Wizards have to spend $5-6 Million because they are $3 Million over the Tax. Going under the tax doesn't really give the Wizards any advantages.

It's not just that they don't pay the tax. They also get a cut of the payout from the teams that do pay the tax. When you add in the salary savings, the tax savings, and the payout - this trade is almost a $15M swing for this team this season alone, not to mention the savings next year.

[miller31time]

Someone explain to me the obsession with getting under the luxury tax? Who cares if the Wizards have to spend $5-6 Million because they are $3 Million over the Tax. Going under the tax doesn't really give the Wizards any advantages.

It's not just that they don't pay the tax. They also get a cut of the payout from the teams that do pay the tax. When you add in the salary savings, the tax savings, and the payout - this trade is almost a $15M swing for this team this season alone, not to mention the savings next year.

Which is true, but colts18's point still stands - what's the obsession? Does it help us make moves or sign free agents? Not really. Getting under the salary cap would accomplish that.

Getting under the lux tax helps one person - the owner. Doesn't affect me or the team I follow one bit.

[NoVaO]

Jamison has never been paid like the 3rd best player on any team he's been on. He was paid the maximum for 6 or 7 years. He was paid borderline hall of fame money and during that span he peaked as only the third best player on a **** team that won one play-off series against a team without their best two players. If Jamison didn't want to face the wrath and scrutiny he should have accepted a lower contract more agreeable with his value to the team.

And? Players get contracts they don't deserve all the time, no matter the sport. Jamison is hardly the most overpaid players in the game. His contract is actually roughly equivalent to what he's producing now.

Jamison is immensely responsible for the Wizards suckiness. He's the standard bearer for inept defensive effort and accountability. He's terrible in the clutch, he's a terrible teammate, he throws players under the bus publicly when he's more responsible for the crappy records than they are, he has one of the lowest assist to FGA ratio's in the league

Such BS, most of this. I've cringed some of the times I've heard Jamison talk about defense, but I'm not going to defend Nick Young, Andray Blatche, and that crew because they haven't really done anything to deserve praise. Michael Lee and Ivan Carter have reported about them slacking off and often not have a professional mindset in the locker room. I've also heard in broadcasts where Jamison has given credit to young players. A big reason he doesn't have many assists is because he doesn't really create for himself. He's not a good ball handler. He gets his points on scoop/gimmick shots in the post, as a spot up shooter, and on put backs off the glass.

Perhaps this is true, the Warriors would probably be better if they didn't trade Vince Carter for Jamison on draft day, and the Wizards might be better if they didn't trade the fifth pick for Jamison before the draft.

Probably because Vince Carter was a better player. They might be better if they kept the 5th pick and they might not. Who knows.

If you replace Jamison with someone who's had roughly similar contracts throughout their career and I bet the Wizards would have better results. Boozer, Josh Smith, Elton Brand (pre-injury) all have been paid less than Jamison has and would be better for the Wiz. Hell, Jamison and Nowitzki had the same contract for most of their career. A mid-00 team of Butler, Arenas, Haywood, Nowitzki is NBA finals material.

Listen, I'm not saying Jamison is a bad player. My point is Jamison will be paid roughly $150m during his career, which is probably $60-$70m too much, as such I consider him to be the most highly compensated loser in the history of professional sports and one of the key contributors to the Wizards pedestrian to pathetic performance over the last decade, therefore, I don't feel the least bit sorry he has to spend the rest of his career, or even the rest of the season with this terrible franchise.

Sounds like you have a problem with the contract more than the player. Again, players get contracts they don't deserve all the time. Jamison I believe has played up to the best of his abilities. He's kept himself in shape, he's never slacked off, and he's been mostly healthy.

What would you say about Zach Randolph, Raef LaFrentz, Gilbert Arenas, Vin Baker, Glenn Robinson...I mean, the list goes on and on and on. Part of the reason Jamison has made so much money is because he has stayed healthy and continued to produce through the duration of his contract. Most players that get their first big contract aren't able to maintain a high level of production to get a second one.

[LyricalRico]

And on that note...time for a new thread!