Chances the Pacers actually trade

[pacersrule08]

It seems to me about this time of year that I get my hopes up for a trade but i just don't see us making one until this summer or during the draft. I just wanted to ask you guys if u think we are really actually going to make a trade or is all of this hype just for nothing

[23artest23]

More than likely will see nothing. I don't know it by history but it seems to me that it is fairly rare for us to make trades in comparison to other franchises. We don't have many assets teams would be interested in comparison to other franchises. Danny, Roy, Brandon, D. Jones, and Troy are really the only players that I could see other teams having interest in. I could be overvaluing Brandon and Dahntay. Needless to say though, we do not have much for other teams to be interested in at this point in time.

[pacersrule08]

I kinda want us to hold on to Murphy until next year so he is more valuble bc he is an expiring but you never know the next player that gets struck with the injury bug. Knock on wood

[Miller4ever]

This is a tough situation every year for us. Unfortunately the economy and financial outlook doesn't seem to help.

[Grang33r]

It's a tough call. In my opinion, and watching other sports operate, i think the NBA has the most hype for trades each year, at draft time and at deadline day, yet, very little comes away from it. I thought for sure Indiana would make a move last year and didn't. With the economy and financial outlook as Miller4Ever said, NBA trades take much longer to generate. The T-Wolves/Celtics trade i read took 6 months of talking before both sides signed off on it.

But, I do think a deal is made. I heard Chad Ford today on radio as he was reporting from the All-Star game and he said, even if Cleveland gets the Amare deal done, they will KEEP looking and have told their trading partners know they will still be open in making a deal. Ford suggested, if Amare does land in Cleveland which is a very good possibility, Suns basically have Cavs or Philly left and Yahoo! Sports reported tonight a source close to the Suns told them that theres almost NO WAY Amare is not traded. Anyways, Ford suggested, if Amare goes to Cleveland, they may trade SHAQ and a 1st to Washington (for Jamison and Miller) or Indiana (Murphy and Dunleavy).

[pacersrule08]

any source shaq and first for murphy and dunleavy? Ill take that

[mizzoupacers]

I'm going to predict that the Pacers don't make a trade. Murphy's the only guy on the team our front office would be willing to part with who other teams might want. And I think Cleveland has decided the price for him is too high, and all the other rumored teams are just looking for a fire sale that isn't going to happen.

I'd advise hitting the snooze button, and keeping your alarm clocks set for trade deadline 2011.

Keep in mind, though, that every once in a great while I am wrong about these things.

[Dunthreevy]

If there is any chance we could do the trade of Murphy and Dun for Shaq and a 1st, I say go for it. Shaq would likely be a great mentor for Roy. They both seem to have the same sort of fun natured personality so I think they would get along great. What Shaq has that Roy has yet to develop is that mean streak needed to be a great C in the NBA. That would be A LOT of salary coming off the books after the season too, $21 million to be exact.

[greenway84]

Shaq wouldnt play here. we would be expected to buy him out or he would retire. He would never play here.

[Starkiller]

If we get Shaq I'm going to every game I can and buying a Shaq jersey FOR SURE.

[HookShotHibbert]

If Indy got Shaq and a 1st for Murphy and Dunleavy, they'd be in great shape capwise this offseason!

Next yrs roster:.
Granger 10.9
Ford 8.5
Foster 6.7
Tinsley 5.5 (assuming he is still on our cap number)
Jones 2.5
Rush 2.1
Hansbrough 2.0
Hibbert 1.7
S.Jones 1.5
McBOB 0.9 (Team Option)
Price 0.8

Total 43.1 (in 10 players that would play for us)

Add our estimated 1st rounders:
6th pick 2.6
28th pick 0.9

46.6 million in 12 players.... If we assume the sallry cap drops to 55 million next year....that leaves us 8 million plus to sign 1-3 players to round out the roster.

If we want flexibility to package Foster or Ford at next years deadline, we could sign fewer than 3 players or spend less than 8 million. Then we would have roster spots to do 2 for 1 trades or cap room to take back extra salary!!!

Did I miss something in my numbers or understanding of the CBA, or could it really be that bright of a future in Indy??

[Dunthreevy]

If Indy got Shaq and a 1st for Murphy and Dunleavy, they'd be in great shape capwise this offseason!

Next yrs roster:.
Granger 10.9
Ford 8.5
Foster 6.7
Tinsley 5.5 (assuming he is still on our cap number)
Jones 2.5
Rush 2.1
Hansbrough 2.0
Hibbert 1.7
S.Jones 1.5
McBOB 0.9 (Team Option)
Price 0.8

Total 43.1 (in 10 players that would play for us)

Add our estimated 1st rounders:
6th pick 2.6
28th pick 0.9

46.6 million in 12 players.... If we assume the sallry cap drops to 55 million next year....that leaves us 8 million plus to sign 1-3 players to round out the roster.

If we want flexibility to package Foster or Ford at next years deadline, we could sign fewer than 3 players or spend less than 8 million. Then we would have roster spots to do 2 for 1 trades or cap room to take back extra salary!!!

Did I miss something in my numbers or understanding of the CBA, or could it really be that bright of a future in Indy??

Good work crunching the numbers. If we could somehow pull off the trade for Shaq that would help our cap situation more than anyone could've dreamed. The more I read Chad Ford's statement though, what he proposed was simply a suggestion of what Cleveland COULD do, and not that there had been any talks of doing so. Definitely would love to see that trade go down though.

[Starkiller]

If the Shaq deal were to go down, does Indiana haev any chance at landing on of the big FA's this offseason?

[Dunthreevy]

^^^

No.

$8 mill in cap space isn't going to land one of the big names.

[glasket]

Guys there is no way we get Shaq. Or even if we do (again no we this is going to happen), he will not play here.

[granger05]

^^^ Good. I think that the trade (if it happened) is just about dumping money. Buying out Shaq so he can go elsewhere would help us play young guys and get a higher pick. This trade makes no sense though because even if CLE was concerned about Shaq and Amare playing together, why would they risk Shaq going off and signing with someone else if we did buy him out? In fact, couldn't you see a miffed Shaq accepting a few mil off the buyout to encourage us to do it so that he could then go sign with Boston or Orlando or something and have a chance to piss off CLE? I could only have seen a Shaq trade if it was like the Z trades where it's assumed he goes back to CLE and is only dealt to make salaries work. This business with CLE being worried about he and Amare seems silly. If that's the case, then don't trade for Amare because if you do a deal like this with WAS or with us then you risk Shaq seeking vengeance.

[Furrski]

The Cavs brought in Shaq specifically for the playoffs and to bully Howard. There is zero chance he is traded. Not a buyout. Not a Roy Hibbert mentor. He's not gonna be clowning with Hansbrough, or trying to take Bird one on one. There can not be any truth to this rumor.

[PR07]

Troy Murphy is a nice player and makes a lot of sense for the Cavs, but I can't see them taking on an additional 20 million of salary or so (with him + Dunleavy), just so the Cavs can add him. Troy Murphy isn't going to keep LeBron in Cleveland. if anything trading a big name and media force like Shaq, when he's only arrived for a half a season, may drive him away.

[Grang33r]

According to Adrian Wojnarowski, who's probably the best insider out there, Pacers have 4-5 suitors for Murphy....

WojYahooNBA CLE had talks with Wiz on Antawn Jamison Monday, but didn't chat with Pacers on Troy Murphy, sources say. Indy has 4-5 suitors for Murphy.

Link- http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA

[basketballwacko2]

I think some of these pundit types just make stuff up to have fun, I can't see the Cavs trading shaq.