How about a trade for T Thomas?

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How about a trade for T Thomas? 

Post#1 » by Shocker00 » Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:23 pm

Utah Trades:
CJ Miles
Harpring's TPE

Utah Gets:
T Thomas
J Pargo

Chicago Trades:
T Thomas
J Pargo

Why for Chicago: Both Thomas and Pargo want to be traded in return they get a sg in CJ Miles and a TPE and also save about 1.5M

Why for Utah: Thomas has high potential and he is a good defensive player. He has some length for a PF and could matchup against Gasol if we play the Lakers in the playoffs.
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Re: How about a trade for T Thomas? 

Post#2 » by stevebozell » Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:36 pm

You cant combine players and TPE's.
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Re: How about a trade for T Thomas? 

Post#3 » by kebutah » Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:40 pm

Can't combine the TPE and a player. It would need to be two separate deals: TPE for Thomas and CJ for Pargo. The CJ for Pargo part doesn't meet the requirements of the CBA, not within 25% plus 100K of salary (2.6-3.7).
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Re: How about a trade for T Thomas? 

Post#4 » by Shocker00 » Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:54 pm

This is an example from somebody from another forum.

A multi-player deal can only be done if part of it would satisfy the terms of the exception. For example, you couldn't trade Boozer + the Harpring exception for Deng and Hinrich. Deng is within 125% of Boozer's salary, but Hinrich's salary is more than the Harpring exception. But you could trade Boozer and the exception for Deng and any player up to $6.6M (Thomas, for example).

It also works out on the espn trade machine:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=yhssuq3
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Re: How about a trade for T Thomas? 

Post#5 » by HolyToledo » Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:18 pm

Thomas does nothing for this team and plays no minutes. CJ is a talented idiot. The Jazz are just going to ride out CJ and hope he matures.
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Re: How about a trade for T Thomas? 

Post#6 » by stevebozell » Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:24 pm

CJ sucks....if you can get rid of him, you do it.
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Re: How about a trade for T Thomas? 

Post#7 » by seejaydeja » Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:28 pm

If this works, then i'm all for it. If we can luck into GIVING him to somebody, I'm all for it. This just seems like a complete steal for Jazz
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Re: How about a trade for T Thomas? 

Post#8 » by StocktonShorts » Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:46 pm

HolyToledo wrote:Thomas does nothing for this team and plays no minutes. CJ is a talented idiot. The Jazz are just going to ride out CJ and hope he matures.


I agree. I have a hard time seeing where Tyrus would get minutes unless the Jazz deal Boozer; and I don't think the Jazz are going to deal Boozer.

Furthermore CJ put together a couple of nice games before the break, probably just good enough to convince the Jazz to give him another shot.
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Re: How about a trade for T Thomas? 

Post#9 » by Fido » Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:15 pm

Shocker00 wrote:This is an example from somebody from another forum.

A multi-player deal can only be done if part of it would satisfy the terms of the exception. For example, you couldn't trade Boozer + the Harpring exception for Deng and Hinrich. Deng is within 125% of Boozer's salary, but Hinrich's salary is more than the Harpring exception. But you could trade Boozer and the exception for Deng and any player up to $6.6M (Thomas, for example).

It also works out on the espn trade machine:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=yhssuq3

Right--and it only works because you are in essence doing to two trades separately--Boozer for Deng (which works) and the TPE for Thomas (which also works independently). One could report this as Boozer and the TPE for Thomas and Deng--but that would only be layman's terms.
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Re: How about a trade for T Thomas? 

Post#10 » by drivewayball » Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:41 pm

Fido wrote:
Shocker00 wrote:This is an example from somebody from another forum.

A multi-player deal can only be done if part of it would satisfy the terms of the exception. For example, you couldn't trade Boozer + the Harpring exception for Deng and Hinrich. Deng is within 125% of Boozer's salary, but Hinrich's salary is more than the Harpring exception. But you could trade Boozer and the exception for Deng and any player up to $6.6M (Thomas, for example).

It also works out on the espn trade machine:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=yhssuq3

Right--and it only works because you are in essence doing to two trades separately--Boozer for Deng (which works) and the TPE for Thomas (which also works independently). One could report this as Boozer and the TPE for Thomas and Deng--but that would only be layman's terms.


That trade would blow up the salary structure for next season, unfortunately. Boozer for the tyrus thomas, tim thomas expiring and a first round draft pick. The Jazz save a million plus off the luxury tax.
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Re: How about a trade for T Thomas? 

Post#11 » by The Sheik » Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:57 pm

If the Jazz no for a fact Boozer wont be back then I would deal him and CJ to Chicago for Thomas, James and Johnson. Jazz would save 6 mil in the deal as well and get a prospect they liked pre-draft in James Johnson.
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Re: How about a trade for T Thomas? 

Post#12 » by Shocker00 » Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:30 pm

HolyToledo wrote:Thomas does nothing for this team and plays no minutes. CJ is a talented idiot. The Jazz are just going to ride out CJ and hope he matures.


I think your wrong in my opinion. Here is why:

1) Boozer/Millsap has allowed Gasol to shoot around 74% over the last couple years against us. They're just too small.
2) L Odom has a very high shooting % against the Jazz as well.
3) C Boozer shoots about 45% against the Lakers in the same time span. That is about 30% differential in the post.

If T Thomas could hold Gasol to around 60% shooting because he matches up well defensively while shooting 45% the jazz are much better off against the Lakers than if they used Boozer...Ohh wait, I forget that everyone from Utah just wants offense.
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Re: How about a trade for T Thomas? 

Post#13 » by HammerDunk » Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:21 am

HappyProle wrote:
HolyToledo wrote:Thomas does nothing for this team and plays no minutes. CJ is a talented idiot. The Jazz are just going to ride out CJ and hope he matures.


I agree. I have a hard time seeing where Tyrus would get minutes unless the Jazz deal Boozer; and I don't think the Jazz are going to deal Boozer.

Furthermore CJ put together a couple of nice games before the break, probably just good enough to convince the Jazz to give him another shot.

Or it could help to increase his trade value. I hope the Jazz realize this and don't do something foolish by holding onto CJ. He has had his time here.

TT would be a good pickup for us if we were willing to take on the extra salary or if the Bulls would do it for a TPE, both of which I doubt.
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