Who do you have in the National Championship game?

[High 5]

Sorry, I don't have my glasses. You're going to have to type bigger.

[SportsWorld]

treyZz, sober up before posting
But seriously, it is going to be an Illinois/USC rose bowl.
Illinois has 3 losses:
Missouri (BCS Team)
Michigan
Iowa

But they beat a potential National Champion in Ohio State.

[49erhokie]

its all up in the air. playoff is needed. of course I am gonna say VT since they are hot and technically they have a better bcs percentage and beat a better team in the conf. cahmp. game. But I have a feeling people are gonna hold that loss at LSU over us (even though that was a diff. VT team at the time). SO my prediction:

Ohio State (which is ridiculous bc they played nobody) vs. LSU

P.S. whoever said USC had a good schedule, they only beat 2 teams with a winning record.

[Doctor MJ]

I would say OSU vs USC. Actually I'd have no problem at all with a whole slew of teams over OSU, but OSU has the record and those that don't have no right to complain.

Choosing among the other teams USC and LSU are the clear most worthy teams to me.

Reasons why USC is my top choice:

1) Playing as good as anyone in the country right now.

2) Their losses occurred midseason when they had severe injuries. I remember trying to tell people that those performances weren't indicative of the team's actual quality. Should be obvious now that this team didn't lose to Stanford because they're inherently weak.

3) The last team they lost too, was playing as good as anyone in the country at the time.

Reason why LSU falls below USC: They *just* lost, which aside from the fact is a general penalty in this type of voting, means they haven't been able to clearly remove themselves from that moment of shame.

Reason why I'm fine with LSU getting the spot: Both losses were against good teams in the best conferences and were absolute tossups.

Reason why #4 Georgia should be bypassed: Didn't win conference. This isn't just some technicality. Georgia got blown out by Tennessee and hence deservedly lost that division to them. How can you give them this opporunity over LSU who had no such ugly loss and *beat* Tennessee?

Reason why #5 Kansas should be bypassed: Shouldn't have been in the running at all after last weak. Now that the only team they played all year that was worth a damn (and beat them) has been exposed as completely unworthy all discussion of them in the BCS should be erased and never spoken of again.

Reason why #6 Virginia Tech should be bypassed: They shouldn't have to be bypassed, they shouldn't be ahead of USC or LSU period. Not a knock on them, but the only reason they're ahead of USC is that USC got dropped far when they injured, and the only reason they're ahead of LSU is a blind implimentation of the last loss rule against LSU. But I will say I don't think Tech is overrated, it's simply that those other teams were underrated and that needs to be corrected.

My rankings right now:

1. Ohio State (ugh, but not comfortable moving them below the 2 loss teams)
2. USC
3. LSU
4. Georgia
5. Virginia Tech
6. Oklahoma

[Doctor MJ]

Re: Hawaii. If last season's title game and this season have shown anything, it's that it's silly to treat undefeatedness as a conversation ender when the teams in question play completely different schedules. A losing to B says nothing about A's relationship to C.

And come on, a team that barely beat Louisiana Tech doesn't get to play the card of "we may not have beaten anyone, but look how dominant we were in the games we played". Hawaii played a weak schedule and were lucky to go undefeated at that. I've got no problem with them in a BCS game, but they are by no means being screwed over by not making title game.

[KingInExile]

^^The BCS system is blatantly arbitrary and does nothing more than appoint a champion based on votes and computer analysis. It is reality TV at it's worst. Any system that is designed to exclude an undefeated team and champion of their conference just because some people think that they "don't have a tough schedule" is a system that is fundamentally flawed. True champions are determined based on their head-to-head performance on the field...not because they survived a vote.

[PhilipNelsonFan]

It is reality TV at it's worst.

Awesome quote. Agreed in full.

[Doctor MJ]

^^The BCS system is blatantly arbitrary and does nothing more than appoint a champion based on votes and computer analysis. It is reality TV at it's worst. Any system that is designed to exclude an undefeated team and champion of their conference just because some people think that they "don't have a tough schedule" is a system that is fundamentally flawed. True champions are determined based on their head-to-head performance on the field...not because they survived a vote.

If you want a playoff, every sane person is with you. Working within what we have, people's opinions are a lot more credible than comparing only W-L records when team schedules have nothing in common. Might as well champion the cause of some Division III school saying they have just as much of a right at the big money because of their great record.

[Triple M]

I hope lsu makes it playing in the SEC this year was brutal any SEC fans would say the same. This year was worse than ever on SEC teams beating up on SEC teams.

[Da Schwab]

What I'd like it to be: Ohio State vs. VaTech
What it will be: Ohio State vs. LSU
What it should be: Ohio State vs. Hawaii

[J-Mezzy]

Ohio State will get destroyed by either LSU or USC. LSU deserves to be there more than USC, but USC is the media darling and might get in. Either way, expect 30 point blow outs of Ohio State

[KingInExile]

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If you want a playoff, every sane person is with you. Working within what we have, people's opinions are a lot more credible than comparing only W-L records when team schedules have nothing in common. Might as well champion the cause of some Division III school saying they have just as much of a right at the big money because of their great record.

I am most certainly in favor of a playoff system to determine a national champion as long as it gives every I-A school a legitimate opportunity to compete for that championship. Give me a 12-team system that lets the winner of each of the conferences and the best team of the independents battle head-to-head for a title. If the WAC, MAC, Mountain West conferences get slaughtered, so be it...that just means they lost a fair fight on the field. I'm am just sick of the current elitist system that assumes that the SEC (the most over-rated conference in the country), ACC, Pac-10 or Big-10 are more deserved of a title opportunity just based on historic reputation.

[J-Mezzy]

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I am most certainly in favor of a playoff system to determine a national champion as long as it gives every I-A school a legitimate opportunity to compete for that championship. Give me a 12-team system that lets the winner of each of the conferences and the best team of the independents battle head-to-head for a title. If the WAC, MAC, Mountain West conferences get slaughtered, so be it...that just means they lost a fair fight on the field. I'm am just sick of the current elitist system that assumes that the SEC (the most over-rated conference in the country), ACC, Pac-10 or Big-10 are more deserved of a title opportunity just based on historic reputation.

Excuse me, but how is the SEC the most overrated. LSU and Florida both destroyed their opponents in their respective bowls and SEC teams always seem to have only losses to teams within the conference.

Put it this way, LSU, Florida(If Tebow plays), and Georgia will all win their bowl games. I'll bet whatever you want on it

[HMFFL]

[High 5]

The people wanting Hawaii in the NC seem like fans of average/bad teams that just want to piss off the good teams. You can't justify someone with such an easy schedule getting into the NC. That would be 100x more "unfair" than Hawaii not making it. Every team in the top 10 would be undefeated with that schedule and they'd probably look a lot more impressive doing it.

I still don't want to play Hawaii because Georgia has everything to lose and they have everything to gain, but I would love to put an end to this "underrated WAC team" talk like we did to Boise State a couple of years ago.

[randomhero423]

hawaii's schedule isn't much different from kansas'.

[High 5]

And I haven't seen one person say Kansas deserves to be anywhere near the NC. It's unfortunate they are, though.

[KingInExile]

The people wanting Hawaii in the NC seem like fans of average/bad teams that just want to piss off the good teams. You can't justify someone with such an easy schedule getting into the NC. That would be 100x more "unfair" than Hawaii not making it. Every team in the top 10 would be undefeated with that schedule and they'd probably look a lot more impressive doing it.

I still don't want to play Hawaii because Georgia has everything to lose and they have everything to gain, but I would love to put an end to this "underrated WAC team" talk like we did to Boise State a couple of years ago.

yet you seem ok with Ohio State being appointed to a NC game.

[High 5]

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yet you seem ok with Ohio State being appointed to a NC game.

I have already been over this in another thread. Ohio State played some cupcakes, no doubt, but their schedule was still a lot harder than Hawaii's.

Ohio State's opponents: .545 winning percentage (not counting their games)
Hawaii's opponents: .398 winning percentage (not counting their games)

Ohio State beat Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Penn State, and Purdue. They only team Hawaii played that could beat any of those teams is Boise State.

[randomhero423]

And I haven't seen one person say Kansas deserves to be anywhere near the NC. It's unfortunate they are, though.

i don't get how they are #5, let alone in the top 10 for that matter.