why doesn't/can's shannon brown guard 1's?

[organix2]

when he was acquired he was seen as a defensive stopper type

why do we have the need to look to try to acquire a hinrich type, can't shannon brown do exactly what hinrich can do, maybe better?

its not like the lakers need a true pg, just one who can guard the guys fisher can't anymore and be able to shoot the 3 ball

[Jajwanda]

It depends on the offensive unit that plays with him. I really think they'll investigate this lineup again as they did last season. If you play Odom or Kobe as the primary facilitator along with Artest at times it can work. In fact it's a very strong lineup. Phil just needs to be willing to utilize it.

The bigger problem isn't at the 1. At least Farmar is a good bench player as is Brown if we use him there. WHO THE EPIC **** is the backup SF? Kobe? Wonderful. Kobe has to play against larger SFs like LeBron.

[slifersd]

I think we are waiting for a guy like Bobby Simmons to be bought out to make a move.

[KingLakers]

Where did this Bobby Simmons talk come from? And why would the Nets buy him out he is an expiring contract.

[organix2]

so no opinions/takes on why shannon brown can't/doesn't guard the other teams ones? like when rondo is destroying d fish and we put kobe on him and still doesn't slow down on him, why doesn't phil just put in brown for fish and have him guard the guy?

does brown lack the ability to guard 1's or something?

[Tee212]

Theres no point on trying to stop elite guards, last time id check ....cp3/deron/rondo/ are hard to stop any given night.

[microfib4thewin]

The problem stems from the fact that Shannon plays with Farmar and Fisher as the spark off the bench, and if Shannon guards the PG then you're left with Fisher or Farmar guarding the 2. I find that Shannon and Kobe are too similar as an offensive player to play together. Looking at Brown's stats on 82games there is only one unit from his top 10 that has Kobe playing the 2 alongside, and even though the sample size is small the results of that unit is rather mediocre(57.1% win rate).

Maybe Phil can play Shannon and Kobe more, but if that happens I have a feeling Pau and Bynum will not touch the ball once.

[ALL HAIL]

Brown can play well with the starters at PG but form a personnel and chemistry standpoint he would eat up Farmar's minutes. As of now, Brown is the backup two and three (w/Kobe moving to3).

... come playoff time he undoubtedly will guard all the troublesome PGs that we face. Book it.

[Pablo Escobar]

Shannon did a good job on Deron last year, he is a good defender and could help us with the bigger point guards like Chauncey and Deron, and use Farmar against Brooks it works out pretty well these two compliment each other

[stunnar0b]

whoever made this dumb thread needs to calm the khjg down, lakers have a current situation to deal with and thats kobes health. by the time playoffs come phill will start showing his full hand so everybody needs to just calm down

[daddyfivestar]

I think it was Jalen Rose who said recently that EVERYONE struggles with the good quick PGs, not just the Lakers when asked if LA should solve that problem.

[ALL HAIL]

^Can you add anything insightful beyond this is dumb. If you really think it's dumb then let the thread fall off the face of the earth.

[Jajwanda]

Brilliant **** logic. Quick 1s are tough to stop so let's not even try. You try to limit them.

[spree2kawhi]

point guards cannot be guarded one on one when they have the ball, not in this league. put up with it. you can try and keep the ball out of their hands once they passed it to the wing and rotated, you can pressure them physically and wear them down off the ball, you can try and force them to shoot over a long defender and i'm confident with brown's ability to do so. but the bottom line is, a quick point guard is unguardable for the opposing defender. he can only be trapped, so the only way to guard the quick playmaker is to stop him with quick and smart big men.

if you like to disagree tell me one single player in the league that can keep nate robinson, chris paul, derrick rose or rajon rondo away from the bucket assuming all the other defenders stick to their own guys. does not exist.

[Jajwanda]

That could be the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard. So we can put a tree stump out there and he'll require help right? Ok then I'll tell you what let's put Bynum out there at PG to guard Rondo. What the hell is that supposed to be mean you can't guard them one-on-one. You can improve. You can limit. That's all it takes.

There's a such thing as making things more difficult. I honestly don't think I've ever heard anything more ridiculous then throwing your hands up in the air and admitting defeat to all quick PGs. Shannon Brown's a good defender, nothing great and he did just fine on Rondo. He didn't have overwhelming help from anyone.

[spree2kawhi]

That could be the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard. So we can put a tree stump out there and he'll require help right? Ok then I'll tell you what let's put Bynum out there at PG to guard Rondo. What the hell is that supposed to be mean you can't guard them one-on-one. You can improve. You can limit. That's all it takes.

There's a such thing as making things more difficult. I honestly don't think I've ever heard anything more ridiculous then throwing your hands up in the air and admitting defeat to all quick PGs. Shannon Brown's a good defender, nothing great and he did just fine on Rondo. He didn't have overwhelming help from anyone.

oh didn't he have help? do you consider yourself a good enough spectator to see the big men's weak side movement while watching rondo carrying the ball? from your comments, I seriously doubt you do. I understand you can make it difficult, thats what I was saying! do you understand the concept of team defense? have you ever tried to stay in front of a quick ballhandler without being allowed to use your hands on him and at the same time take away his outside shot? seriously, I really doubt you understand how quick these people are. what you can do is take away from their options by trapping them. and that's about it. with these rules and the way the point guard position has developed over the last two decades, you're pretty much without a chance to do anything when left alone. while saying it was a ridiculous statement you failed to name one defensive point guard stopper... dude, read my post again, or tell me who in this league could stop a quick point guard driving to the hole full steam without any help. i stick to my comment, it can't be done, not with the way the rules are. it comes down protecting the basket as a team and trapping.

[Jajwanda]

That's correct. The team defense is a major part of all quick guard penetration. However if the main guy cannot beat the screen or at least challenge the point guard, the guard will get there before the help can get in proper position.

- Rondo, Hinrich, Collison off the top of my head are fantastic at making the job more difficult for these guys.

No help at all? That's pretty rare. Against say Aaron Brooks? Perhaps Collison that's about all I can think of. Westbrook as well.

[spree2kawhi]

fair enough. i see where you're going and that makes a lot of sense. i would actually put shannon into the top group of guys being physically able to pressure the opposing point guard - off the ball most definitely. plus, he's long and doesn't need to stay as close to his man as a brooks or robinson would need to, giving him some extra time to react. he's strong enough to survive some not so accurate screens. still he may not be super quick defending the ball though and i honestly don't know about his awareness in the team's defensive schemes but overall, he should a decent bet looking at the task realistically. better than fisher certainly and more powerful than farmar.

[Jajwanda]

He was the only guy that gave Deron trouble in the playoffs and did fairly well overall.

If the Lakers run into a problematic PG match-up the best thing to do would be to have Lamar and Kobe initiate the offense entirely. It would at least prevent Derek Fisher layup runs. He reminds me of poor Porkins in Episode 4 attacking the Death Star.