Eating Crow

[Guy986]

Not me. I have had plenty of crow to eat in years past, but this year, no crow to eat.

I was right with NY.
I was right with Dallas moves and lack of moves (TPE, Dampier, Roddy, Hamilton,etc.) that made no sense (inclding Butler's, Howard's and Haywood's respecive value).
I was right with Martin
I was right that Ronnie Brewer would be "dumped" to save some tax money
I was right on Salmons being a contract to be "dumped" (that was a vommit of my crow last year because I have always said Salmons is a contract to dump and he was proving me wrong last year).
I was right that no one, I mean no one, will take Brand or PDiddy even with Kaman and Iggy as incentives.
I was right with the Spurs regretting the Jefferson trade and tax (as evident by trying to dump Mason since they can't dump Jefferson)

Yeah, pretty much right on everything this year. That has not happened in years past.

You said Carroll will earn his contract and that Tmac's contract is pretty much untradable...

[JES12]

^^^
I don't think I said "earn" but I did think Carroll would get 5-10 MPG, so I guess if I had to eat crow, that would be it, but it's not like I ever claimed he would play a major role or anything like that. But I never, ever, ever say an expiring is "untradeable" so you can quit it with those false accusations before it gets started.

[Trader_Joe]

^^^
I don't think I said "earn" but I did think Carroll would get 5-10 MPG, so I guess if I had to eat crow, that would be it, but it's not like I ever claimed he would play a major role or anything like thaat. But I never, ever, ever say an expiring is "untradeable."

by JES12 on Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:42 am

Dallas total is like 16 million that's a 7 million difference that Washington doesn't have to pay.
And Howard and Gooden can still play.

T-macs contract is horrible and almost untradeable. Cook....cook who?

[Piston Pete]

Were are them Pistons fans? I got some Seasoning Salt for their Crow if they want some.

What do we need to eat crow for?

[JES12]

Why don't you post the link so I can quote where I said they would have to recruit NY to break his 23 million into smaller pieces.

Thank you very much.


EDIT: "almost untradeable" does not equal "untradeable" or "pretty much untradeable" anyways. And I never, ever say an expiring is "untradeable"

[KiDdFrESh]

^^They didn't have to deal with NY. Knicks got in there at the last minute to snag T-Mac when he found out Rockets were getting Martin.

[Trader_Joe]

Why don't you post the link so I can quote where I said they would have to recruit NY to break his 23 million into smaller pieces.

Thank you very much.


EDIT: "almost untradeable" does not equal "untradeable" or "pretty much untradeable" anyways. And I never, ever say an expiring is "untradeable"

So, you made the NY remarks long after hearing rumors of T-Mac going to NY (last weekend vs. 2 months ago when the T-Mac rumors surfaced)

You credit yourself for that...


Then you tell someone today:

But I never, ever, ever say an expiring is "untradeable."

after having said this last weekend:

T-macs contract is horrible and almost untradeable. Cook....cook who?

Allrighty then!


BTW:

"almost untradeable" does not equal "untradeable" or "pretty much untradeable" anyways. And I never, ever say an expiring is "untradeable"

Is there a single player this league who is 100% untradable?
And really does your statement that McGrady was "almost" untradable really mean anything?
(Considering he was traded and there are only about 5 or so untouchable players)

Oh, and good call on Howard and Humphries not being traded!




You might want to change your first post BTW!

Not me. I have had plenty of crow to eat in years past, but this year, no crow to eat.

[JES12]

^^They didn't have to deal with NY. Knicks got in there at the last minute to snag T-Mac when he found out Rockets were getting Martin.

That's not the point. It's like the media taking 5 hours worth of footage and only airing 2 minutes worth and in the manor they want to present it. IIRC, that thread was based on Washington wanting smaller contracts (than TMac) and actual talent (Howard) and he wants to clip whatever fits his argument even though his clip still prioved my point (that I did not say and expiring was "untradeable" as I said "almost" becaause they needed help) without the content of the thread.

[JES12]

Oh, and good call on Howard and Humphries not being traded!

And now you are baiting as I never said either of them would not be traded. I said 2 years ago that we would not trade Howard for a minimal upgrade that year because we liked his team option. This year, that team option came in handy. But, yeah, I never claimed either of them were untradeable.

And in fact, I always treated Humphries as a filler.

Oh, and I am not taking any such credit about T-Mac to NY rumors. You are baiting on that too.

[Guy986]

Why don't you post the link so I can quote where I said they would have to recruit NY to break his 23 million into smaller pieces.

Thank you very much.


EDIT: "almost untradeable" does not equal "untradeable" or "pretty much untradeable" anyways. And I never, ever say an expiring is "untradeable"

Oh JES12... what will I do without you...

[Guy986]

^^^
I don't think I said "earn" but I did think Carroll would get 5-10 MPG, so I guess if I had to eat crow, that would be it, but it's not like I ever claimed he would play a major role or anything like that. But I never, ever, ever say an expiring is "untradeable" so you can quit it with those false accusations before it gets started.

I'm 99% sure you used the word "earn". I remember teasing you about it. I just don't have the heart or time to search for that old thread right now.

[Trader_Joe]

Oh, and good call on Howard and Humphries not being traded!

And now you are baiting as I never said either of them would not be traded. I said 2 years ago that we would not trade Howard for a minimal upgrade that year because we liked his team option. This year, that team option came in handy. But, yeah, I never claimed either of them were untradeable.

And in fact, I always treated Humphries as a filler.

Oh, and I am not taking any such credit about T-Mac to NY rumors. You are baiting on that too.

Did you miss what I quoted you said on the 1st page that you said 7 or 8 months ago after Dallas was out of the playoffs?

Long story short: Carroll is not going to be traded and not because he is untouchable, but because his precieved value around the league (and realgm) is much lower than it is to everyone with ties to the Mavs organization. Same is true with Humphries (though he could be a good filler), Howard and Beaubois. You may even add Terry to that list. Honestly, I don't see a trade happpening til at least Dec 15th when Gooden, Thomas and Ross are available

Wow, you are the worst at admitting being wrong.
How appropriate that this is going in this thread!

[Guy986]

Somebody rename this to the JES12 Crow eating thread.

[JES12]

Oh, and good call on Howard and Humphries not being traded!

And now you are baiting as I never said either of them would not be traded. I said 2 years ago that we would not trade Howard for a minimal upgrade that year because we liked his team option. This year, that team option came in handy. But, yeah, I never claimed either of them were untradeable.

And in fact, I always treated Humphries as a filler.

Oh, and I am not taking any such credit about T-Mac to NY rumors. You are baiting on that too.

Did you miss what I quoted you said on the 1st page that you said 7 or 8 months ago after Dallas was out of the playoffs?

Long story short: Carroll is not going to be traded and not because he is untouchable, but because his precieved value around the league (and realgm) is much lower than it is to everyone with ties to the Mavs organization. Same is true with Humphries (though he could be a good filler), Howard and Beaubois. You may even add Terry to that list. Honestly, I don't see a trade happpening til at least Dec 15th when Gooden, Thomas and Ross are available

Wow, you are the worst at admitting being wrong.
How appropriate that this is going in this thread!

Humpries = filler....check
Carroll not traded because of precied value to us vs others...check
Howard....Looks like Washington valued him more than you.
Beaubois...,check
Trade not happening til after dec 15 when gooden & ross are available..check

right, right, right, right and right.

Thanks man! Now comes the question on should i post that on the "toot your horn" thread

[JES12]

Somebody rename this to the JES12 Crow eating thread.

Funny since there is nothing to eat crow on. He is doing nothing but proving me right.

[Guy986]

No crow? Not even a little huh?



As always, JES12 is right about everything.

[Trader_Joe]

Clearly you said they were not going to be traded, as you even said though Humphries could make nice filler (meanwhile he was the reason the Nets made the trade and not filler since NJ actually took on more salary this season and next and had to waive Shawne)

Are you a politician or DJ, because your ability to spin things is amazing?

[SkyHook]

I'll take a helping.

I said the Jazz were not going to trade talent to save money. They did so TWICE, once in the Maynor deal and once with Ronnie Brewer.

I don't think either of them were especially bad trades or anything, but they do the opposite of what I said Utah would do. So that's on me.

+1. I was convinced that the Jazz wouldn't make a $$ only trade & was disappointed that they did. Even more disappointed that Jazz management thinks were a bunch of morons by trying to spin this as a trade for basketball reasons instead of financial.

[JES12]

No crow? Not even a little huh?



As always, JES12 is right about everything.

About the things that trader Joe tries to bait on, absolutely. That is why I have to click on "display post" because he is on my ignore list for crap like that. I really should stop displaying his posts.

[KiDdFrESh]

Carroll not traded because of precied value to us vs others...check

Did anybody else catch this?

Your kidding yourself man.

NEWS FLASH!! NOBODY WANTS CARROLL!!!