No homers please.

[ColdBlue]

Considering how on average the homerness of the Jazz is a bit higher than the typical NBA fan, I wanted to get a sense of opinion on this trade from the non-homers here.

So far from reading this board, I'm getting a sense that our fanbase is ok with this move. I find this to be rather disturbing. This has to be one of the worst timed money grabbing moves I have ever seen. This trade is going to give us what maybe 2 million in luxury tax relief after we sign a replacement?

Wouldn't you think that a team's FO would PAY 2 million dollars MORE to maintain a well oiled machine that is running the best it has run for quite some time? Basically the FO just cheapened the product on the floor, not for improvement, not for any long term goal, but only to save 2 million dollars this year.

This FO is willing to risk this amazing team chemistry this team has found for 2 million bucks. Unreal.

I have for the first time this season, been looking forward to Jazz games. I've had optimism, I've seen a product on the court that is fun to watch, and plays with desire and cohesion. We haven't had this for quite some time, so what does our FO do... throw a wrench in the gears to save 2 million dollars!?!?

I also don't think many of our parade marching fans realize what Brew was bringing to the table either. They all get caught up in the unorthodox ugly outside shot that somehow went in 40% of the time, but fail to notice how Brew has expanded his game during this winning streak. Brew has started to pass from the baseline! We haven't seen this before, and look how it's opened up our offense. His defense was a strongpoint and integral in this whole 'team defense' theory that seems to be working much better.

Can someone please tell me how this is even close to worth it? I mean, the Maynor trade was questionable, but I could understand it based on the fact that he was a unproven rookie and the dollar amount was what 10 million? I can accept that... but to trade a proven talent that has been an integral part of this team for quite some time right in the middle of a winning streak where our team chemistry has been the best I have EVER seen it... all for 2 million?

[seejaydeja]

Considering how on average the homerness of the Jazz is a bit higher than the typical NBA fan, I wanted to get a sense of opinion on this trade from the non-homers here.

So far from reading this board, I'm getting a sense that our fanbase is ok with this move. I find this to be rather disturbing. This has to be one of the worst timed money grabbing moves I have ever seen. This trade is going to give us what maybe 2 million in luxury tax relief after we sign a replacement?

Wouldn't you think that a team's FO would PAY 2 million dollars MORE to maintain a well oiled machine that is running the best it has run for quite some time? Basically the FO just cheapened the product on the floor, not for improvement, not for any long term goal, but only to save 2 million dollars this year.

This FO is willing to risk this amazing team chemistry this team has found for 2 million bucks. Unreal.

I have for the first time this season, been looking forward to Jazz games. I've had optimism, I've seen a product on the court that is fun to watch, and plays with desire and cohesion. We haven't had this for quite some time, so what does our FO do... throw a wrench in the gears to save 2 million dollars!?!?

I also don't think many of our parade marching fans realize what Brew was bringing to the table either. They all get caught up in the unorthodox ugly outside shot that somehow went in 40% of the time, but fail to notice how Brew has expanded his game during this winning streak. Brew has started to pass from the baseline! We haven't seen this before, and look how it's opened up our offense. His defense was a strongpoint and integral in this whole 'team defense' theory that seems to be working much better.

Can someone please tell me how this is even close to worth it? I mean, the Maynor trade was questionable, but I could understand it based on the fact that he was a unproven rookie and the dollar amount was what 10 million? I can accept that... but to trade a proven talent that has been an integral part of this team for quite some time right in the middle of a winning streak where our team chemistry has been the best I have EVER seen it... all for 2 million?

You gotta double the savings of Brew's contract since we would have to pay double in Lux Tax. In reality the savings were probably a little over 4 million. But I'm with you 100% on the rest. In any other scenario than the one that has played out over the past month with this team, I would be fine with the deal. However, the Jazz have been KILLING it recently, and even though people say we did this cause of the "log-jam" I think that jam at the wing essentially has helped us more than hurt us in having the luxury of having 4 solid back-ups at the given positions any night someone wasn't on top of their game. I also think it kept those four guys on their toes, knowing they had to earn their minutes.

Maybe it's just me, but I think KOC took a HUGE risk with the deal when he could have just let Ronnie walk at the end of the season, and at least given this group of guys a chance to win or fail on their own.

[StocktonShorts]

Basically the FO just cheapened the product on the floor, not for improvement, not for any long term goal, but only to save 2 million dollars this year.

The cash savings this year are so negligible that I don't think that's why they did it. They knew they weren't bringing Brewer back so they got a first-round draft pick out of him. At some point in the next 5 years the Jazz will have a top 14 pick out of this, or they have that asset to trade. It's much, MUCH easier to trade a draft pick than a player.

Could this **** up the chemistry on the team and cost them a few wins? Possibly, yeah, but I put that on the immaturity of the players. I think some of these young guys need to learn really quick that this is a business. I was actually starting to get worried that the FO was catering too much to Deron's little posse of players...

[The Sheik]

Brewer was by far the most athletic player on the team and that will be sorely missed when Matthews doesnt have the length or explosiveness to throw down a dunk.

My honest opinion about this trade is that KOC is playing a high risk game of roulette. Just like the Knicks are throwing their entire franchise on the hope that Lebron comes, I think that KOC is doing the same with the NYK pick in the hopes that we land Evan Turner or Cousins. It is a risky proposition, but he thinks that having this Memphis pick will get us where we need to be and get the player he wants. I hope he is right, because this move could blow up in his face.

At the end of the day though this is a wait and see trade. All of your points are valid, but until we see how the wings respond and how well Matthews fill in we wont know if this was a stupid trade or not. I dont disagree that this could severely mess up chemistry, but to me this move either has little to no affect or it this years "boozer returning" that puts us in a funk.

The Logical side of me sees that Ronnie Brewer had about a 50/50 chance on returning, all depending on the offer he got. Since the beginning of the Wes Matthews explosion he has slowly made Ronnie, CJ or Korver expendable. I think it was a peculiar move considering we didnt get under the lux tax and we were winning and playing so well, but like Ive said this is a crap shoot. KOC made his move and he will either look like a genius or an idiot...we will have to wait and see.
Finally, it was more like 4 million (before signing a player).

[StocktonShorts]

Brewer was by far the most athletic player on the team and that will be sorely missed when Matthews doesnt have the length or explosiveness to throw down a dunk.

Dunks and layups are both worth two points. I think Matthews is an above average finisher near the rim. Brewer was, of course, phenomenal... not just with dunks, but getting all kinds of difficult layups to go. So there's still a gap there, but I'm not that concerned about it.

[DelaneyRudd]

I think it's homerism to think Brewer was a long term guy for this team. They didn't trade him for the rights to a Euro drafted in 2001. They traded a player who would have been let to walk for a first round pick. Ronnie Brewer is not a bad player, he is an easily replaceable player. And yes, the team will be disappointed that their friend got traded. But that's life. He wasn't fired, he was transferred to a different place. He will be overpaid this offseason and getting something back for a guy like that is a fair move.

[StocktonShorts]

I think it's homerism to think Brewer was a long term guy for this team.

THIS.

I see a lot more homerism in the people crying that Brewer got traded. (but of course I'm biased)

[ColdBlue]

Right, my bad... 4 million. A little better, but I still don't think it's anywhere near worth it.

Does the FO think that a championship is just going to randomly end up in their lap one of these days by default? Do they think we can cut a few corners and take away assets and still compete?

I don't like the timing, and I don't like the message. Goals, chemistry and championships take a backseat to 4 million dollars.

[Efernand]

If any trade made the team worse it was the Maynor trade. Brewer was a good player but we have capable replacements in place.

[StocktonShorts]

Does the FO think that a championship is just going to randomly end up in their lap one of these days by default?

Worked for San Antonio.

[jozef]

They saw duplicity in AK and RB.
Thanks to improved strength AK started to finish way better around the basket on baseline cuts and it forces Jerry to limit RB's playing time and put a shooter on wing.
They knew Wes can play, CJ while inconsistent shows flashes of brillant passing and shooting, KK can shoot the lights out. If needed they can play Millsap at SF. So overall they can develop Wes and CJ, find more time for KK, and move on. They can pack picks and move up in the draft.

[jazzfan1971]

4mil, 1st rounder, tpe.

All this for:

The difference in production before the trade and after the trade.

I for one am not convinced that we'll see any drop in production after teh deal. Therefore the cost would = 0.

If we get better production after the deal than the cost is less than zero.

If we get worse production, you may be right. It may be a bad move. Can we give it 5 games and see how the new rotation performs before we decide?

[DelaneyRudd]

Right, my bad... 4 million. A little better, but I still don't think it's anywhere near worth it.

Does the FO think that a championship is just going to randomly end up in their lap one of these days by default? Do they think we can cut a few corners and take away assets and still compete?

I don't like the timing, and I don't like the message. Goals, chemistry and championships take a backseat to 4 million dollars.

Had Memphis given less than a mid first rounder the deal would haven't had happened. When you can get that for a guy you are prepared to let walk in 2 months it's a different story.

[hoops4life]

Right, my bad... 4 million. A little better, but I still don't think it's anywhere near worth it.

Does the FO think that a championship is just going to randomly end up in their lap one of these days by default? Do they think we can cut a few corners and take away assets and still compete?

I don't like the timing, and I don't like the message. Goals, chemistry and championships take a backseat to 4 million dollars.

It does kind of suck. Brewer wasn't going to be the difference maker in pushing us from a good team to a championship team. The money he frees up, the TPE, and the pick we got back could be what pushes us over. They can pair that pick with another and move up in the draft to get a real difference maker like they did with Deron.

[Denizfeital]

I think the trade sucks because everybody (players and Jazz fans) likes Ronnie Brewer, he is very athletic and was having a very good season so far.

But if we put a list, top down, who is our best player (we have done this before). I am pretty sure he wouldnt be a top 5.

And Jazz would have a huge trouble trying to match any offer he d get next season. I am convinced that he d probably get something around 5 millions. Thats a lot for The Jazz nowadays.

So, he'd walk, probably. And we got a future first rounder back for him. After all, it was not that bad.

But hey, thats just my opinion.

Regards,

[HolyToledo]

Brewer is a good bench player who should have played less minutes with either Miles or Matthews starting. The Jazz might have gotten better via addition by subtraction as Brewers minutes go to Korver, Miles, and Matthews who all shoot better outside than Brewer. This will stop Kobe from slacking off defensively. Overall not much effect but versus the Lakers the Jazz might have just improved.

[Pai Gow]

For me, I look at it like this.

Brewer = free agent at the end of this year

If the Jazz feel inclined they could make an offer for Brewer in the off season anyways.

We got a pick out of him at the very least.

We could use it to move up in the draft with the current Knick's pick.

I'm gonna miss Brewer as much as the next guy, his hustle, defense, finishing around the basket will be severely missed but it isn't exactly something we cannot replace.

[Gothapotamus]

Does the FO think that a championship is just going to randomly end up in their lap one of these days by default? Do they think we can cut a few corners and take away assets and still compete?

I don't like the timing, and I don't like the message. Goals, chemistry and championships take a backseat to 4 million dollars.

Does anyone really think the Jazz were going to win the Championship this year? I surely didn't. I didn't think that unless they improved, and that doesn't mean standing pat, on some pieces that they could get passed the 2nd round. Maybe make the WCF again. Maybe they saw this too and though, let's get something for Brewer, rather than watching him walk for nothing when we don't pay him what he or his agent feel he's worth. I have no negative feelings for Brewer and was delighted the jazz drafted him.

No one knows what the value of the pick is going to be, nor what the impact on the team will be. Like was said above, it's far too early to tell. I think Deron's immaturity is more concerning than anything else. I don't think losing Brewer should implode chemistry, unless guys just can't nut up and care more about winning than whining.

I think they saved 4 mill, got a trade-able asset in the pick, and freed up minutes to let Wes, KK, and CJ compete. With the reemergence of AK the SHOOTING guard being able to shoot is as much to blame of the recent success as Brewer's skill set. I like him, his heart, his attitude. I just am not sure the Jazz are really WORSE off this way.

[DelaneyRudd]

Do I think they will? No. Do I think they have the ability to take down a slumping giant? yes. But this trade doesn't change that.

[Gothapotamus]

I think that's my point exactly DR... The teams ability to be very good and compete and continue in the course already established isn't any different today than it was two days ago...