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What a great deal for Houston 

Post#1 » by Pula_86 » Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:34 am

Houston's GM turns T-Mac and Carl Landry into Kevin Martin, Jordan Hill, 2 Knicks draft picks, and Jared Jeffries, obviously a salary dump. Houston has some outstanding young pieces with Aaron Brooks, Kevin Martin, Trevor Ariza, and Luis Scola. The only other teams positioned as well for the are Oklahoma City and Portland.

I think the next few years will be Clevleand's best chance to make a run, but those three are teams to watch in the future. I cannot help, but respect the blue collar work ethic of Houston.
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Post#2 » by pass first » Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:10 am

If the Knicks don't have a homerun in FA those picks might become really nice too. 2011 is top-1 protected lol, 2012 top 5.
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Post#3 » by Knicks_2010 » Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:24 am

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Post#4 » by Triumph36 » Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:19 am

Morey wins Exec. of the Year hands down.
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Post#5 » by Furrski » Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:58 pm

And how about them Celtics? Nate Robinson can be explosive, no doubt. But we DEFINITELY dont miss Eddie House, right? Here's hoping Nate tries to fight Pierce :lol:
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Post#6 » by mcfly1204 » Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:04 pm

Not to mention Houston still has this Yao character. If he is healthy next season, they can do some damage out West.
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Post#7 » by JonFromVA » Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:10 pm

I would have sent Wally home to NY if I knew they were going to sell the farm in order to get under the cap.
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Post#8 » by Awoooga » Fri Feb 19, 2010 6:47 pm

As of right now, it looks like the Knicks overpaid. But come July 1, 2010, if they pull of Lebron and Bosh than Walsh will win Executive of the Year.

If I were you guys I would be very very worried. Not that Lebron will definitely leave but this raises the chance that he does bolt immensely. Probably close to 50/50.

If you actually here the NBA analysts talk about the deal (SAS, Jalen Rose etc.) they all think he is a lock to bolt to NY.

Houston has reason to be excited about this but Cleveland, Toronto, and Miami should be scared.
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Post#9 » by mcfly1204 » Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:18 pm

Awoooga wrote:As of right now, it looks like the Knicks overpaid. But come July 1, 2010, if they pull of Lebron and Bosh than Walsh will win Executive of the Year.

If I were you guys I would be very very worried. Not that Lebron will definitely leave but this raises the chance that he does bolt immensely. Probably close to 50/50.

If you actually here the NBA analysts talk about the deal (SAS, Jalen Rose etc.) they all think he is a lock to bolt to NY.

Houston has reason to be excited about this but Cleveland, Toronto, and Miami should be scared.

Great sources, SAS and Jalen Rose...
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Post#10 » by tidho » Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:24 pm

Awoooga wrote:As of right now, it looks like the Knicks overpaid. But come July 1, 2010, if they pull of Lebron and Bosh than Walsh will win Executive of the Year.

If I were you guys I would be very very worried. Not that Lebron will definitely leave but this raises the chance that he does bolt immensely. Probably close to 50/50.

If you actually here the NBA analysts talk about the deal (SAS, Jalen Rose etc.) they all think he is a lock to bolt to NY.

Houston has reason to be excited about this but Cleveland, Toronto, and Miami should be scared.


Complete nonsense.
First the vast majority of analysts don't believe any of them will bolt. That only Shaq (after Orlando insulted him trying to go the home team discount route) has ever left a team offering a max deal.

Second, LeBron will go to NY if he wants to be in NY. It won't be because of the completely gutted Knicks. In your scenario the Knicks will have Gallo, Chandler, LeBron, Bosh, a shot at retaining Lee, no picks and no cap space. Might not be so bad if all 5 guys didn't play the same two positions, lol.

Third, even if LeBron can't wait to get there (which is obviously far from certain) they still have to convince someone else to leave $30M on the table to go with him.

Forth, not only can Miami sign Wade (he'd keep his $30M) and a max, but after the Jamison deal the Clippers can also sign a max. Much more attractive cities to live, and far superior surrounding casts than the Knicks have. If only one max guy wants to move the Knicks are in serious trouble.

Most importantly, because it is the subject of the thread, Houston did make a very nice trade for themselves.
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Post#11 » by Awoooga » Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:31 pm

The NBA analysts who and former players expect Lebron to go to NY. The Chad Ford types have not said it, but the former players turned analysts keep saying Lebron to NY. I put more faith in their opinions than the regular writers.

As far as you getting mad at what I said, I suggest you re-read my post. What I said is that the Rockets made a good trade for their team but from the prospective of a Cavs, Raptors, or Heat fan I would be very worried for obvious reasons because the Knicks are coming after your best players. If I were a Cavs, Heat or Raptors fan I would not be happy that the Knicks made the trade that they did yesterday.

I am not going to debate why a Bosh Lebron or Wade type of player would bolt in free agency. These arguments have been laid out to many times on this site.
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Post#12 » by JonFromVA » Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:22 pm

Somehow I doubt LeBron will be impressed by the Knicks potentially trading away their past, present, and future #1 picks.

LeBron's isn't going to flip a coin when deciding whether to leave the Cavs, it's not something that'll be ruled by odds, but by his desire to win and build his legacy. These guys talk to various people, and some of the folks in LeBron's "posse" openly talk about wanting to see him in NY. That's where all these rumors come from.

In the end it's his decision, not theirs, and it has nothing to do with odds.
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Re: What a great deal for Houston 

Post#13 » by Invictus » Sat Feb 20, 2010 1:15 am

JonFromVA wrote:Somehow I doubt LeBron will be impressed by the Knicks potentially trading away their past, present, and future #1 picks.


Disagree with your logic. No superstar has really cried about the circumstances surrounding first round draft picks. Knicks don't have a draft pick in 2012...and if Lebron is worried about a potential suitor not having a draft pick 2 years from now then why the hell is he worried about winning a championship now? That's like saying you have michael jordan being disappointed in reinsdorf trading away a future #1 pick in exchange for xyz, at a point in his career when he's contending for championships. The difference of course being tim duncan being the top lottery pick in 97, but that was a past-prime david robinson. Stars place a premium on the present...draft picks take years to come to maturity.

I mean look at miami. Dwayne wade has the top lotto pick on his team and he has publicly voiced his malcontent several times. He's not willing to wait 4, 5 years from now for beasley to enter his prime.
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Re: What a great deal for Houston 

Post#14 » by Dupp » Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:01 am

mcfly1204 wrote:Not to mention Houston still has this Yao character. If he is healthy next season, they can do some damage out West.


this. brooks martin ariza scola yao. thats a very good lineup
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Post#15 » by JonFromVA » Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:17 pm

Invictus wrote:I mean look at miami. Dwayne wade has the top lotto pick on his team and he has publicly voiced his malcontent several times. He's not willing to wait 4, 5 years from now for beasley to enter his prime.


On the other hand, JJ Hickson wasn't a lottery pick and LeBron took him under his wing all last summer and sees the value in developing him as a player.

Not every star (Kobe/Wade) wants to throw young talent under the first onrushing bus.

And it's not even that the Knicks threw away a pick to dump salary so they can offer another max contract, it's that they dumped the equivalent of 3 picks.
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Post#16 » by mcfly1204 » Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:13 pm

Is anyone else eager to see what kind of money NYK offer McGrady over the summer?
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Post#17 » by Pula_86 » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:22 am

I hope McGrady plays well and the Knicks sign him to a decent contract and then bring in Amare Stoudemire. What could be better than two injury plagued guys who do not play defense. The joy I would receive from Knick fans misery would be great.
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Post#18 » by tidho » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:08 pm

mcfly1204 wrote:Is anyone else eager to see what kind of money NYK offer McGrady over the summer?


What's the timing on a cap hold?
They aren't going to want to offer him anything until LeBron, Wade and Bosh are settled.

McGrady has earned a big chunk of change....and a short contract.
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Post#19 » by theman » Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:20 pm

tidho wrote:

Complete nonsense.
First the vast majority of analysts don't believe any of them will bolt. That only Shaq (after Orlando insulted him trying to go the home team discount route) has ever left a team offering a max deal.


TMac left Toronto, Grant Hill Left Detroit, Duncan nearly left San Antoinio.

Bosh will definitely leave Toronto. Who was the last FA Toronto retained?

tidho wrote: Second, LeBron will go to NY if he wants to be in NY. It won't be because of the completely gutted Knicks. In your scenario the Knicks will have Gallo, Chandler, LeBron, Bosh, a shot at retaining Lee, no picks and no cap space. Might not be so bad if all 5 guys didn't play the same two positions, lol.


SG - Chandler
SF - LeBron
PF - Bosh
C - Lee
6th - Gallo

Although I would guess they trade Lee (perhaps to the Nets if they win the lottery) for a point guard (Harris). Of course, with LeBron monopolizing the ball there is little need for a true point. Maybe they play Chandler there and Gallo at the 2.

tidho wrote: Third, even if LeBron can't wait to get there (which is obviously far from certain) they still have to convince someone else to leave $30M on the table to go with him.


If and when LeBron signs it will be a lot easier to get max #2. Of course, they might even be better off offering 2 players around 10 Million apiece. Keep in mind, NY still holds the contract of Eddie Curry, who (sucks, but) will be an expiring contract next season that they could trade for another over paid player (Arenas?).

Now it is possible NY ends up like the Chicago Bulls circa 2000, but instead of settling on the likes of Ron Mercer they will "settle" for Bosh and Joe Johnson.

tidho wrote: Forth, not only can Miami sign Wade (he'd keep his $30M) and a max, but after the Jamison deal the Clippers can also sign a max. Much more attractive cities to live, and far superior surrounding casts than the Knicks have. If only one max guy wants to move the Knicks are in serious trouble.


Fourth, no offense to anyone living there, but where exactly would Cleveland (or as Karl Malone called it "The Mistake on the Lake") rank to NY as desirable location? Maybe Lebron joins Wade in Miami? No state income tax. (1.2 million per year on a $20 million salary).

tidho wrote: Most importantly, because it is the subject of the thread, Houston did make a very nice trade for themselves.


Whenever you get a draft pick from NY you have done very well. When the pick has very little protection it is even better.

tidho wrote:

What's the timing on a cap hold?
They aren't going to want to offer him anything until LeBron, Wade and Bosh are settled.

McGrady has earned a big chunk of change....and a short contract.


NY will immediately renounce TMac. They are well below the cap and can sign him to any amount so the don't need his Bird-rights.
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