BIG Z - BUYOUT OFFICIAL 2/24
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I'm sure there is a lot about this I'm missing and like my teachers used to say, if you don't know, raise your hand. Im sure there are others that have the same question but are to afraid to ask.
So we shipped about AJ which I like because it opened up things for Blatche and it got us out of his multi year contract. But in doing so we got the center we needed so Blatche could play a lot more PF only... why aren't going to play him ?
We don't need to buy out Z to get under the Cap.
We could use him at a min for practice to help McGee learn.
We could use him in games as the back up to McGee so AB doesn't have to move out of position.
And by keeping him, he hose the Crabs a little more which is always fun.
So why isn't he here ?
What is the magic of the March 1 date ?
So we shipped about AJ which I like because it opened up things for Blatche and it got us out of his multi year contract. But in doing so we got the center we needed so Blatche could play a lot more PF only... why aren't going to play him ?
We don't need to buy out Z to get under the Cap.
We could use him at a min for practice to help McGee learn.
We could use him in games as the back up to McGee so AB doesn't have to move out of position.
And by keeping him, he hose the Crabs a little more which is always fun.
So why isn't he here ?
What is the magic of the March 1 date ?
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hands11 wrote:I'm sure there is a lot about this I'm missing and like my teachers used to say, if you don't know, raise your hand. Im sure there are others that have the same question but are to afraid to ask.
So we shipped about AJ which I like because it opened up things for Blatche and it got us out of his multi year contract. But in doing so we got the center we needed so Blatche could play a lot more PF only... why aren't going to play him ?
We don't need to buy out Z to get under the Cap.
We could use him at a min for practice to help McGee learn.
We could use him in games as the back up to McGee so AB doesn't have to move out of position.
And by keeping him, he hose the Crabs a little more which is always fun.
So why isn't he here ?
Big Z will be bought out. My guess is they are currently negotiating his buyout. Since the Wizards don't need to get under the luxury tax, they can take a strong stance in negotiations.
hands11 wrote:What is the magic of the March 1 date ?
Buyouts must occur by March 1st for the player to be eligible for play-off rosters.
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verbal8 wrote:hands11 wrote:I'm sure there is a lot about this I'm missing and like my teachers used to say, if you don't know, raise your hand. Im sure there are others that have the same question but are to afraid to ask.
So we shipped about AJ which I like because it opened up things for Blatche and it got us out of his multi year contract. But in doing so we got the center we needed so Blatche could play a lot more PF only... why aren't going to play him ?
We don't need to buy out Z to get under the Cap.
We could use him at a min for practice to help McGee learn.
We could use him in games as the back up to McGee so AB doesn't have to move out of position.
And by keeping him, he hose the Crabs a little more which is always fun.
So why isn't he here ?
Big Z will be bought out. My guess is they are currently negotiating his buyout. Since the Wizards don't need to get under the luxury tax, they can take a strong stance in negotiations.hands11 wrote:What is the magic of the March 1 date ?
Buyouts must occur by March 1st for the player to be eligible for play-off rosters.
Ok, you answered the March 1 question.
So the only reason we would care about that is because it give us leverage to squeeze Z for less money on the buy out if that is what we want because he will want to be available for a Cavs run.
But we don't owe this dude anything. This is a business and we gave up something for him. He is out player.
So why buy him out short of us being tight wades. How much money can we save ? I would rather him be here in uniform helping McGee in practice and also available for games so Blactche can grow his game at PF.
That should be our main focus Developing Blatche and McGee and I think having Z here is better for that.
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hands11 wrote:So why buy him out short of us being tight wades. How much money can we save ? I would rather him be here in uniform helping McGee in practice and also available for games so Blactche can grow his game at PF.
That should be our main focus Developing Blatche and McGee and I think having Z here is better for that.
That would completely destroy team chemistry. It would be the big guy stewing in the corner and then everyone else. He'd be royally ticked off to play that role, so there's no reason for it.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him try and score in the 'wrong' basket on purpose if we put him in the game.
He is not a Wizard.

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Hoopalotta wrote:hands11 wrote:So why buy him out short of us being tight wades. How much money can we save ? I would rather him be here in uniform helping McGee in practice and also available for games so Blactche can grow his game at PF.
That should be our main focus Developing Blatche and McGee and I think having Z here is better for that.
That would completely destroy team chemistry. It would be the big guy stewing in the corner and then everyone else. He'd be royally ticked off to play that role, so there's no reason for it.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him try and score in the 'wrong' basket on purpose if we put him in the game.
He is not a Wizard.
I'm with that. Sure he has a contract that he should honor as a pro, and after all, Cleveland traded him. I'm sure Blatche and McGee could learn a lot from him, but there exists the potential for that backfiring, and Ilgauskas becoming a distraction. As bad as that, the Wizards are (or may be) contending with an image issue with players around the league, and not buying him out could end up looking bad among other players.
I've got nothing against Ilgauskas (other than he was a Cav) and for all I know, he would be a pro about the whole thing, but why risk bad and unintended consequences? Make him pose in a Wizards uni, buy him out, and send him on his way, and if there's a way to prevent him from returning to the Cavs, do it; I'll bet any of the Texas teams would love to have him for the playoffs.
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Hoopalotta wrote:hands11 wrote:So why buy him out short of us being tight wades. How much money can we save ? I would rather him be here in uniform helping McGee in practice and also available for games so Blactche can grow his game at PF.
That should be our main focus Developing Blatche and McGee and I think having Z here is better for that.
That would completely destroy team chemistry. It would be the big guy stewing in the corner and then everyone else. He'd be royally ticked off to play that role, so there's no reason for it.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him try and score in the 'wrong' basket on purpose if we put him in the game.
He is not a Wizard.
While I hear what your saying about him stewing I wouldn't worry about the other. Stern would have his ass. He was traded. We gave up something for him. He is a professional getting paid. That is the way it goes.
I don't think Z is that immature and I could hardly see how any other pro player would see what we did as wrong. Come on please. You get traded... You get traded. Lots of players have been traded.
These guys are paid Millions to play a game they love. You don't also get to call all the shorts about when and where you play. Other teams are spending Millions and making decisions to make their team better.
You don't get to live in a box and just eat your cake while taking in 10M a year.
So I still am not convinced its not in our best interest to suit him up. He is everything we wanted i OP that OP never was.
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Trade thread IBTL.
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closg00 wrote:Trade thread IBTL.
This isn't a trade thread thing.
If your want to clean up the board, there are other more obvious ones for you to comment in.
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I don't know, I kind of get the idea that big Z has a nasty streak. Didn't he more or less flip out when they didn't play him in that game that would have seen him set the all-time Cavs mark for games played? And when I say 'flip out', I mean lashed out with extreme anger.
So no, I don't think he'd take it like a pro at all, I suspect that he would tell us to suspend him and refuse to report, but if he honestly were somehow 'made' to come here, I think the odds are higher of him elbowing McGee in the face in practice while 'going for a rebound', than somehow helping to teach or win games.
I have no evidence other than a vague notion that he has a temper, but I suspect that if our front office played hard ball with him, he'd take it out on our roster and coaches.
Not worth it.
So no, I don't think he'd take it like a pro at all, I suspect that he would tell us to suspend him and refuse to report, but if he honestly were somehow 'made' to come here, I think the odds are higher of him elbowing McGee in the face in practice while 'going for a rebound', than somehow helping to teach or win games.
I have no evidence other than a vague notion that he has a temper, but I suspect that if our front office played hard ball with him, he'd take it out on our roster and coaches.
Not worth it.

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I don't think this needs to be locked. It's not a trade question, it's a roster question.
It doesn't seem right that Z should be sitting at home earning a paycheck. I guess it's okay if we're just down to a few last-minute buyout details and the plan is to buy him out this week. But if the plan is to wait a while, then there's no reason why he shouldn't come join the team. If he acts like an ass, then we can refuse to buy him out altogether and make him miss the playoffs (possibly the last playoffs of his career).
It doesn't seem right that Z should be sitting at home earning a paycheck. I guess it's okay if we're just down to a few last-minute buyout details and the plan is to buy him out this week. But if the plan is to wait a while, then there's no reason why he shouldn't come join the team. If he acts like an ass, then we can refuse to buy him out altogether and make him miss the playoffs (possibly the last playoffs of his career).
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I'm with Hands on this one. Z got traded. If he wants to make a big fuss about it and expose himself as an ****, I say let him do it. Toeing a hard line with him doesnt hurt the organizations rep, if anything it makes us more respectable. We're not the rest of the league's pawn that everone can use for stacking their playoff rosters. Like Doc mentioned, if we let Z go back to cleveland, that only potentially hurts the value of the pick they traded us.
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NBA is now trying to block Z from going back to CLE. WOW, david stern will really do this to Lebron? AWESOME
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While Washington can try and "stick it" to Cleveland and/or Big Z by not buying him out, many of you underestimate how other players around the league look at things like this. Washington as an organization sadly is seen as a toxic place right now, with a major image makeover going underway. Why do you think Jerry Krause and the Bulls had so much trouble getting free agents to sign in Chicago when they had all that cap space? Players saw how "crumbs" relationship was with Jordan, Jackson and Pippen and decided they would go elsewhere. Big Z is at the end of his solid career, and I hope that both sides can come to an agreement on a buyout. He does nothing for Washington, now or in the long term.
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antoekneeo wrote:While Washington can try and "stick it" to Cleveland and/or Big Z by not buying him out, many of you underestimate how other players around the league look at things like this. Washington as an organization sadly is seen as a toxic place right now, with a major image makeover going underway. Why do you think Jerry Krause and the Bulls had so much trouble getting free agents to sign in Chicago when they had all that cap space? Players saw how "crumbs" relationship was with Jordan, Jackson and Pippen and decided they would go elsewhere. Big Z is at the end of his solid career, and I hope that both sides can come to an agreement on a buyout. He does nothing for Washington, now or in the long term.
Washington WILL buy him out, but the league is telling other teams he will be available bc they are trying to block him from going back to CLE.
Awesome all around except for Z, sucks bc he really wants to be there. They just f'd him.
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I could see him going out to a western team if they won't let him go back to the Cavs.
Denver? He could be pretty useful there.
Denver? He could be pretty useful there.

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I realize that this is a bit of a pet issue for you Hands, so first and foremost our evaluations of how much a healthy, happy and motivated Ilgauskas would help the Wizards probably differs but let me lay things out as I see them. For me it's just a matter of weighing the pros and cons, even if you don't feel obliged to be nice to the guy.
The positives:
- Fabricio Oberto has nice hair and works hard but is a bad backup center whereas Z has no hair but is certainly a much better backup (or starting) center if he's feeling frisky and not enraged at having been kept on a team he doesn't want to play for.
- Ilgauskas has a reputation for being one of the nice guys in the league and, again assuming he wasn't suppressing the urge to kill would probably be a really positive lockerroom guy and a mentor.
- I guess we'd be sticking it to the Cavs for whatever if that's something your into.
The negatives:
- Z already looks like a serial killer, no need to give the man motivation to pursue his true calling when he just wants to hang out with his kids for a couple of days then gear up for a stretch run and the playoffs.
- We don't want to give Flip any plausible reason not to play JaVale, and you know JaVale is going to give him good reason to play Z if Z is around to be played.
- While I want the guys we have (particularly Blatche and McGee) to play well for the team's future, we're not going anywhere and playing better because of a guy like Z who's not going to be a Wizard next year unless we threaten his family really isn't a worthwhile accomplishment in my eyes.
- If we don't buy Z out we get labeled as a team that can't be trusted as a trading parter. Sure the catch-and-release "agreement" is a little shady but it's a part of NBA business, and we want to be a team other teams will do business with.
- I have no idea to what degree players around the league fault the Wizards for not standing behind Gil but holding onto a guy who wants out isn't going to endear us to anybody.
- The Wizards are going to go small sometimes anyway. I don't disagree that having a mediocre center rotation provides extra motivation to do it right now but going small is a strategy that, like it or not, Flip and most coaches in the NBA are going to use at times. Blatche is far and away our best small ball center and he's going to be played at center sometimes, it's going to happen.
- Honestly you might not feel this way but I see Z as a good guy who's worked hard for a long time in the NBA and has mostly been on **** teams. While I don't hate the Cavs or their fans I'm certainly not going to bend over backwards to do them any favors but Z is one of their guys, they love him. He's like Haywood to them, and if Haywood were in the same position I'd want him to be bought out to get a shot at the big time before he retired, even if it wasn't with us.
The positives:
- Fabricio Oberto has nice hair and works hard but is a bad backup center whereas Z has no hair but is certainly a much better backup (or starting) center if he's feeling frisky and not enraged at having been kept on a team he doesn't want to play for.
- Ilgauskas has a reputation for being one of the nice guys in the league and, again assuming he wasn't suppressing the urge to kill would probably be a really positive lockerroom guy and a mentor.
- I guess we'd be sticking it to the Cavs for whatever if that's something your into.
The negatives:
- Z already looks like a serial killer, no need to give the man motivation to pursue his true calling when he just wants to hang out with his kids for a couple of days then gear up for a stretch run and the playoffs.
- We don't want to give Flip any plausible reason not to play JaVale, and you know JaVale is going to give him good reason to play Z if Z is around to be played.
- While I want the guys we have (particularly Blatche and McGee) to play well for the team's future, we're not going anywhere and playing better because of a guy like Z who's not going to be a Wizard next year unless we threaten his family really isn't a worthwhile accomplishment in my eyes.
- If we don't buy Z out we get labeled as a team that can't be trusted as a trading parter. Sure the catch-and-release "agreement" is a little shady but it's a part of NBA business, and we want to be a team other teams will do business with.
- I have no idea to what degree players around the league fault the Wizards for not standing behind Gil but holding onto a guy who wants out isn't going to endear us to anybody.
- The Wizards are going to go small sometimes anyway. I don't disagree that having a mediocre center rotation provides extra motivation to do it right now but going small is a strategy that, like it or not, Flip and most coaches in the NBA are going to use at times. Blatche is far and away our best small ball center and he's going to be played at center sometimes, it's going to happen.
- Honestly you might not feel this way but I see Z as a good guy who's worked hard for a long time in the NBA and has mostly been on **** teams. While I don't hate the Cavs or their fans I'm certainly not going to bend over backwards to do them any favors but Z is one of their guys, they love him. He's like Haywood to them, and if Haywood were in the same position I'd want him to be bought out to get a shot at the big time before he retired, even if it wasn't with us.
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I don't understand how the NBA can stop him from going back to Cleveland. I haven't heard anybody on either side actually come out and say that was the plan going into the trade or anything. Did the rules change when I wasn't looking?
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Maybe EG recorded the convo....lol.
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VictorPage44 wrote:I'm with Hands on this one. Z got traded. If he wants to make a big fuss about it and expose himself as an ****, I say let him do it. Toeing a hard line with him doesnt hurt the organizations rep, if anything it makes us more respectable. We're not the rest of the league's pawn that everone can use for stacking their playoff rosters. Like Doc mentioned, if we let Z go back to cleveland, that only potentially hurts the value of the pick they traded us.
I didn't read DOC saying that but DAME GOOD POINT.
So I have learned that March 31 is the deadline if a player is bought out and wants to play in the playoffs That seems like a negotiating chip for us.
I still haven't learned anything about the financial advantage for us.
So given what I know, he should be in practice as a min and probably on the court.
Even if we plan to buy him out, he should be here helping right now.
Now I'm even more pissed he isn't in a uni. I heard he was in DC for a physical but then left back to Cleveland to sit.
Suit up Mr Millionaire. We have games to play. If some Z minutes help Blatche get to play PF or protects him against to many minutes on game, then that is why he is signed.