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Projected Salaries Breakdown 

Post#1 » by nate33 » Sun Feb 21, 2010 7:03 pm

For future reference, I put together a spreadsheet of our salary situation. This spreadsheet assumes we will opt for all team options and qualifying offers. A "t" represents a team option, "q" represents the qualifying offer, a "p" represents a player option. Be sure to scroll down and see all the numbers.

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Player           10/11  11/12  12/13  13/14  14/15
Gilbert Arenas   17.73  19.27  20.81  22.35     -
Josh Howard      11.84t    -      -      -      -
Mike Miller         -      -      -      -      -
Randy Foye        4.80q    -      -      -      -
Andray Blatche    3.26   3.52     -      -      -
Al Thornton       2.81   3.91q    -      -      -
Nick Young        2.63   3.70q    -      -      -
JaVale McGee      1.60   2.46t  3.49q    -      -
Quinton Ross      1.15p    -      -      -      -
James Singleton     -      -      -      -      -
Min.Sal.Filler      -    0.49     -      -      -
Min.Sal.Filler      -    0.49     -      -      -
2010 #7 pick      2.80   3.01   3.22   4.09   5.48
2010 #30 pick     0.47   0.76   0.85     -      -
2011 #37 pick     0.47   0.76   0.85     -      -
2011 #10 pick       -    2.31   2.48   2.65   3.37
           
Total            49.56  40.68  31.71  29.09   8.85
Salary Cap       53.00  54.00     -      -      -
Luxtax           64.22  65.44     -      -      -

For 1st round pick salaries, I took the rookie scale from the CBA and added 20%, which is the maximum a team is allowed to pay (and is typically what teams actually pay). If we wanted to sign a free agent before signing a draft pick, we could actually assume a rookie payroll 20% less than the number shown, calculate our cap space, sign a free agent with the cap space, and then go ahead and pay the rookie the rookie pay scale + 20%.

If you want to run various scenarios, here's a tip: you need to assume a minimum roster of 11 players to get a cap number. If less than 11 are signed, you need to factor the cost of additional minimum salary players to get to 11. Next year, minimum salary players will cost $473,404. In 2011/12, they'll cost $490,180

Some observations:

If we accept the team option on Howard and sign Foye to the QO, that'll leave around $3M in cap space. Sign Singleton as well and we're pretty much out of cap space and won't be able to pull off any fantasy scenarios where we buy high picks.

If we let Howard, Miller and Foye walk, we'll have a salary figure of $33.9M next year, leaving us $19M or so in cap room.

Our salary situation in 2011/12 might not be as good as perceived. At issue is Thornton. He is a free agent that year. We'll probably offer the QO (shown) to maintain RFA rights, but if he plays as well as we hope, somebody will come along and offer more. It's a pretty good bet that he'll cost at least the MLE to retain. Furthermore, his cap hold will be substantially higher, about $8.4M. It'll really eat into our cap space until we finally ink him to a new deal. So if we cut Young, refrain from signing anybody else (Miller, Foye, Howard, Singleton) past 2011, resign Thornton to an MLE deal, keep Arenas, and draft about 10th in 2011, we will go into the 2011 offseason with a cap figure of $38.2M. That might be less than a max free agent unless the salary cap increases a bit more than expected. Basically, it's going to be real hard to acquire a max free agent in 2011 if Arenas is on the roster.

Given the above, I'm not sure if it's in our best interests to plan for a max free agent acquisition in 2011. I'd like to be several million below the cap so we can participate in OKC Plan trades, but I'm not sure there's much advantage to having a payroll in the $34M range when we can still have a ton of flexibility with a payroll around $44-48M. Rather than focusing on making a big splash at any one time, I think it would be best to simply remain patient and look for bargains.

I'd try and resign one of Howard or Miller this offseason to a reasonable deal (no more than $7M per year). I think I'd prefer Howard for his durability, defense and athleticism. He just fits better with the New Wizards. I'd also resign Singleton to something hopefully no more than $2M per year. Do those two deals and we'd remain about $11M below the cap. I'd keep my eyes open for a bargain backcourt player. Foye at $4M is a possibility. So is Lowry. Or perhaps we acquire a Hinrich/Salmons/MoPete type of player while getting a pick in return. The goal is to have a full roster with a good $5-7M in cap space to use at the Trade Deadline.

If we really want to make a splash in 2011, I think we need to trade/void/buyout Arenas.
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Re: Projected Salaries Breakdown 

Post#2 » by Wizards2Lottery » Sun Feb 21, 2010 7:26 pm

I'd keep Josh Howard over Mike Miller. Miller is good but I hate how passive he is. Howard can at least guard people and will aggressively look to score. Even though I think Miller's all around game is better, he really doesn't show it on the court by passing up offensive looks. Don't know what his deal is but it seems like he doesn't enjoy scoring anymore. Why not just pick up the team option on Howard and let him expire the year after?

No way do I want to bring back Foye. The guy does nothing good when his shot is not falling. Doesn't give defense, can't finish around the rim, below average passer, no true position.
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Post#3 » by yungal07 » Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:31 pm

We really need to get rid of Gilbert. He's singlehandedly destroying the team's cap.
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Post#4 » by Hoopalotta » Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:17 pm

This is a fine thread and a nice service, but I'm almost starting to feel that the best thing we could do is draft Wesley Johnson mid-late lottery even if there's better players on the board, so as that we don't go off and overpay for veteran wings.

We need to 'Who Dat?' rule, named after Dat2U and his wariness of both continuity in times of mediocrity (or outright suckage) and mid sized contracts for average players. Don't be afraid to say “who dat guy dat we got right there?” We'll get used to him, where ever it was he came from.

Many of the worst hit 'cap hell' teams are that way based on MLE type guys (or worse yet, 'should be MLE type guys' who are paid even more) . We should not be afraid to 'revolve guys through the door' a bit at this point when it comes to veterans. Why not tell Raja Bell that we have a starters spot available and we can give him a total of $6 million over two years? Would the results be worse than Josh Howard for $18 million over three years? And if so, by how much? We don't need that kind of contract. I'm glad we have Al Thornton for $2.8 mil. next year, but we don't need to fall in love with the guy either.

The 'Who Dat?' rule has been codified as a point of reference in the debate (with full credit to Dat2U as far as substance).

I have a strong feeling that, if we fall of the tracks this offseason, it's going to be because we sign veteran wings for too much money.
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Post#5 » by Hoopalotta » Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:21 pm

I do think a goodly number of the ideas are nice though, such not filling up the cap in the off season and keeping some $5-$8 Million around at the time of the 2011 trading deadline in order to 'strike targets of opportunity'. :evil:

There was more that I liked and I'll have more ideas/feedback later.
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Post#6 » by Hoopalotta » Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:52 pm

nate33 wrote:Rather than focusing on making a big splash at any one time, I think it would be best to simply remain patient and look for bargains.


This seems like a good idea, but somehow when I start plotting what we should do, I find myself concocting scenarios that quickly balloon into massive payroll infusions and multiple draft picks. :-?

But yeah, it should be something smaller.

Though I do wonder if this coming year through the deadline of 2011 is our big chance, as a lot of strapped teams like the Pacers and Hornets have money coming off the books?

I don't know, I guess part of it will depend on how the spending goes this summer.
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Post#7 » by nate33 » Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:07 am

Hoopalotta wrote:This is a fine thread and a nice service, but I'm almost starting to feel that the best thing we could do is draft Wesley Johnson mid-late lottery even if there's better players on the board, so as that we don't go off and overpay for veteran wings.

We need to 'Who Dat?' rule, named after Dat2U and his wariness of both continuity in times of mediocrity (or outright suckage) and mid sized contracts for average players. Don't be afraid to say “who dat guy dat we got right there?” We'll get used to him, where ever it was he came from.

Many of the worst hit 'cap hell' teams are that way based on MLE type guys (or worse yet, 'should be MLE type guys' who are paid even more) . We should not be afraid to 'revolve guys through the door' a bit at this point when it comes to veterans. Why not tell Raja Bell that we have a starters spot available and we can give him a total of $6 million over two years? Would the results be worse than Josh Howard for $18 million over three years? And if so, by how much? We don't need that kind of contract. I'm glad we have Al Thornton for $2.8 mil. next year, but we don't need to fall in love with the guy either.

The 'Who Dat?' rule has been codified as a point of reference in the debate (with full credit to Dat2U as far as substance).

I have a strong feeling that, if we fall of the tracks this offseason, it's going to be because we sign veteran wings for too much money.

We are not Miami. We can't go into an offseason with virtually nobody on our roster except minimum-salary scrubs and expect to land a big name free agent. Heck, in most years, there are no big name free agents.

I'm all for being value-conscious when signing free agents. But that doesn't mean we should play a skeleton crew for the foreseeable future in the hopes that Melo or Durant decide to leave their quality ball club to come join what is likely to be a bad basketball team.

I'd keep two principles in mind when building this team:
1. Seek value
2. Keep at least $4-8M in cap space for Trade Deadline deals.

With that framework in place, I'm open to a lot of options. I'd be happy to retain Howard or Miller, at the right price. Howard on a 3-year $21M deal seems like a good price to me. (I used to think that about Miller, but I'm growing real concerned about his injury history.)

Foye is a tough call. I certainly wouldn't pay him any more than $4M a year, and even that might be pushing it a bit. It really depends on the Arenas situation and on the availability of other options. If we anticipate keeping Arenas around for the remainder of his contract, then I don't think Foye is the right fit. Also, if somebody like Devin Harris is available, or maybe if Indiana will give us a pick to take T.J. Ford, then Foye would probably be unneeded.
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Post#8 » by Spence » Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:23 am

I'm stunned at how poor Foye has played this season. He was never a great player, but I thought he was pretty good. Hard to see the Wizards using a lot of cap space on him.
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Post#9 » by MJG » Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:35 am

Spence wrote:I'm stunned at how poor Foye has played this season. He was never a great player, but I thought he was pretty good. Hard to see the Wizards using a lot of cap space on him.

I think this season is the nail in the coffin in terms of any hope of unfulfilled potential on Foye. His per-minute numbers this season are pretty much identical to his previous three - statistically, he's shown zero improvement in almost four full years in the league. He appears to be all he ever will be, an adequate yet streaky backup combo guard.

I would not give the qualifying offer to Foye, definitely not. I'd be willing to offer a small, short contract, maybe like 2 years, $6 million, but that's about the best I'd do. I think people tend to overrate the potential of late draft picks and D-League callups, but I'd be shocked if we couldn't find someone for the minimum to give us 80% of what he does. Maybe they wouldn't have the same big individual game potential, but I don't think that's worth paying a premium for for a rebuilding team.
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Post#10 » by Severn Hoos » Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:49 am

nate33 wrote:For future reference, I put together a spreadsheet of our salary situation. This spreadsheet assumes we will opt for all team options and qualifying offers. A "t" represents a team option, "q" represents the qualifying offer, a "p" represents a player option. Be sure to scroll down and see all the numbers.

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Player           10/11  11/12  12/13  13/14  14/15
Gilbert Arenas   17.73  19.27  20.81  22.35     -
Josh Howard      11.84t    -      -      -      -
Mike Miller         -      -      -      -      -
Randy Foye        4.80q    -      -      -      -
Andray Blatche    3.26   3.52     -      -      -
Al Thornton       2.81   3.91q    -      -      -
Nick Young        2.63   3.70q    -      -      -
JaVale McGee      1.60   2.46t  3.49q    -      -
Quinton Ross      1.15p    -      -      -      -
James Singleton     -      -      -      -      -
Min.Sal.Filler      -    0.49     -      -      -
Min.Sal.Filler      -    0.49     -      -      -
2010 #7 pick      2.80   3.01   3.22   4.09   5.48
2010 #30 pick     0.47   0.76   0.85     -      -
2011 #37 pick     0.47   0.76   0.85     -      -
2011 #10 pick       -    2.31   2.48   2.65   3.37
           
Total            49.56  40.68  31.71  29.09   8.85
Salary Cap       53.00  54.00     -      -      -
Luxtax           64.22  65.44     -      -      -


Some observations:

If we accept the team option on Howard and sign Foye to the QO, that'll leave around $3M in cap space. Sign Singleton as well and we're pretty much out of cap space and won't be able to pull off any fantasy scenarios where we buy high picks.

If we let Howard, Miller and Foye walk, we'll have a salary figure of $33.9M next year, leaving us $19M or so in cap room.

I'd try and resign one of Howard or Miller this offseason to a reasonable deal (no more than $7M per year). I think I'd prefer Howard for his durability, defense and athleticism. He just fits better with the New Wizards. I'd also resign Singleton to something hopefully no more than $2M per year. Do those two deals and we'd remain about $11M below the cap. I'd keep my eyes open for a bargain backcourt player. Foye at $4M is a possibility. So is Lowry. Or perhaps we acquire a Hinrich/Salmons/MoPete type of player while getting a pick in return. The goal is to have a full roster with a good $5-7M in cap space to use at the Trade Deadline.

If we really want to make a splash in 2011, I think we need to trade/void/buyout Arenas.


This is kind of where I am as well. If I read your numbers correctly, and we sign Howard to a deal starting around $6M, then we'd be back to about $10M in cap space, no? Singleton might eat up $1M or so, leaving us something in the neighborhood of $8-9M and the following team:

Arenas/Foye
Young/Ross
Howard/Thornton
Blatche/Singleton
McGee

Plus a lotto pick, the #29-30, and a 2nd rounder around #37. Let's assume the worst (as always) that we don't move into the top 3 and pick 8th. I'd take Patterson - though I know several here will argue for Monroe, I just like that Patterson brings something that is not already on the roster, while Monroe's skills are somewhat replicated in Blatche. I'll take a positive outlook that James Anderson is available at #29, and take Sherron Collins (again, maybe overly optimistic in thinking he'll still be on the board) at #37. That leaves us with:

Arenas/Foye/Collins
Young/Anderson/Ross
Howard/Thornton
Blatche/Patterson/Singleton
McGee

(I'd also look at Aldrich at #8, which would affect the FA strategy to follow.)

I'd look to strengthen the C position with the FA money available - but again, nothing crazy. Problem is, there's just nothing out there at C in Free Agency. I was amazed by what a wasteland it is. Maybe take a chance on Hilton Armstrong or Josh Powell and hope the lightbulb comes on? A trade for Gortat is at least interesting, but yikes, that eats up the cap space really quick.

Another possibility is to let Foye walk and replace him with a guy like Earl Watson. If we are going into the season with Arenas, then what we really want is a backup PG who will be content to be a backup PG. I don't think we'll get enough value from Foye as a backup to Arenas to justify paying him $5M for even one year, let alone a multi-year deal. (If Arenas is traded/voided, then it's another story...)

Ouch, still rough at C. I'd look to let Young walk the following summer, evaluate Thornton with an eye to the same (as well as Ross), and maybe have a chance at some FAs in 2011. Keep the options open for taking salaries from desperate teams if it means picks + prospects. Another solid pick in 2011, maybe another FA signing somewhere, and we're on our way. Is that a "contender"? Honestly, no. But it's be fun to watch and to hope again.
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Post#11 » by nate33 » Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:55 am

I think one of the best possible moves to address the center position is to buy Foster off of Indy. Indy looks to be about $4M above the luxtax after factoring their draft pick. Foster has one year left at $6.6M. We can trade Ross for Foster, with Indy throwing in $3M cash. We also force Indy to make a pick swap - our 8th or so pick for their 5th or so pick. All told, Teddy is out just $2.5M yet he's got a quality stopgap veteran center on a 2011 contract plus he moves up a few spaces in the lottery.
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Post#12 » by Severn Hoos » Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:01 am

nate33 wrote:I think one of the best possible moves to address the center position is to buy Foster off of Indy. Indy looks to be about $4M above the luxtax after factoring their draft pick. Foster has one year left at $6.6M. We can trade Ross for Foster, with Indy throwing in $3M cash. We also force Indy to make a pick swap - our 8th or so pick for their 5th or so pick. All told, Teddy is out just $2.5M yet he's got a quality stopgap veteran center on a 2011 contract plus he moves up a few spaces in the lottery.


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Post#13 » by Hoopalotta » Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:05 am

Nate,

Well, my view is the 'Skeleton Crew' idea is for two things above all:

1) We need some young, top of the roster talent plucked up in the early lottery and we're not likely to get it this year unless we either start to stink woefully or get incredibly lucky in the lottery. So I could see a 20-ish-plus win team next year as being alright. I doubt we try for that two years in a row, so I think next year is the big chance.

2) As that probably won't work and we'll get the fifth pick (in 2011), I like the cap space pretty strictly from the position of getting extra draft picks as it increases our chances of getting at least a semi elite guy. After about two years, I could see trying to absorb an actual good player if we have the money long term, but for now I like the stiffies with a pocket full of picks.

I'm not really holding out Free Agency as salvation either, as I think there should be a lot of teams jockeying for position there in 2011 and beyond. It would be nice to be poised to take advantage of opportunities, and we should be ready each summer, but I would see that as a bonus if it actually works out (it seems like we could put ourselves in position to give it a try without going all in, at least for a couple of years). I wouldn't even be surprised if 'Melo inked a three year extension this summer under the current CBA and Durant could extend for five as well, thus becoming a base year guy locked up long term, so yeah, Free Agency is dicey.

Despite some rather vocal counter points by some parties, I actually think Flip seems to have a real nice feel for this kind of scrappy underdog team with an almost college like rotation, so I think he might get more out of the 'Skeleton Crew' than the roster may otherwise indicate, thus keeping us functionally competitive and able to develop the talent.

[quote=]I'd keep two principles in mind when building this team:
1. Seek value
2. Keep at least $4-8M in cap space for Trade Deadline deals.[/quote]

I do like this. I especially think there could be bigger value at the deadline than the draft as it's kind of like a 'last call at the bar' for shedding salary. Over the summer, teams might put off the salary dumps, but come February, it's now-or-never and the fleecings may well be the most savage and exploitive (I can see how fans of low cap teams are annoying to everyone else). But it's a good, hard-n'-fast rule.

For me though, Howard on 3 years @ $21 million is spending too much for not enough gain. Sure I like him, but he's a 30 year old small forward who's been injury prone and has started declining. My view is that having a cheap roster next year is why Ernie brought in Al Thornton. If we don't have Arenas around, that would be one thing, but as is, it pinches the books pretty darn tight. I like a lot of things about the guy, he brings a nice identity and I think he could actually be a leader for a young squad (as crazy as that sounds), but he has missed a lot of games of late. I need to see more of him before I'd commit one way or the other though. I like his defense and enthusiasm quite a bit. The interviews too.

Anyway, if we did resign one of our wings, I would agree that I prefer Howard to Miller too, as I see resigning Miller as being extremely dangerous with how he likes to bang his knee into the scorers table, as much as I like his approach. And yeah, I like us athletic and stingy along the perimeter. In fact, I'd really like to see us get a bunch of athletes and play up tempo.

Another factor to take into consideration with the actual dollar figures and years, is that the coming CBA MIGHT see shorter term and cheaper deals offered this summer. I don't really know, but I have seen some pundits punditing as much on the matter. Rumor is that there won't be that many long term deals handed out this summer, though that remains to be seen based on competition.

Another angle: I'm also thinking that if we don't target our own guys, we might find the bargains at the end of the summer when the money's dried up.

And then of course there's the Arenas question too. I'd prefer to go in a different direction, but that might be difficult. That needs it's own thread, although it overlaps with the discussion here most mightily.

Truth is, there's so many facets that it's hard to even discuss the thing all at once because it seems like every point needs a caveat or relates to something else.

Sorry if I was overly grumblesome at the start, but I guess I'm a little jumpy over resigning guys and missing out on lopsided trades. To that end, I'll be absolutely delighted if we can eventually send out Vlademeer Veremeenko with no other assets attached and bring back a first rounder in addition to the obligatory stiffie. That would be a real peacock feather in the crown, that would.
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Post#14 » by Hoopalotta » Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:11 am

nate33 wrote:I think one of the best possible moves to address the center position is to buy Foster off of Indy. Indy looks to be about $4M above the luxtax after factoring their draft pick. Foster has one year left at $6.6M. We can trade Ross for Foster, with Indy throwing in $3M cash. We also force Indy to make a pick swap - our 8th or so pick for their 5th or so pick. All told, Teddy is out just $2.5M yet he's got a quality stopgap veteran center on a 2011 contract plus he moves up a few spaces in the lottery.


If that kind of deal is there with the pick swap, we snatch it up. I'd throw in the second rounder to make it happen.

I suppose this is all like the trade thread too, but one thing I noticed is that the OKC roster is just about full. As of now, they have two picks around the 18th-22nd range and they might just do better with some Euro-stash guys, Plus, as you well know they might like to dump Collison. if they really did have a mind to do so, I could see trading the Cleveland 1st and out 2nd in order to take on Collison and both of those picks.

If they use those picks, the odds are that both the guys get lost in the shuffle, especially if they do something like sign David Lee, which I think many of us expect.
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Post#15 » by Dat2U » Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:34 am

nate33 wrote:We are not Miami. We can't go into an offseason with virtually nobody on our roster except minimum-salary scrubs and expect to land a big name free agent. Heck, in most years, there are no big name free agents.

I'm all for being value-conscious when signing free agents. But that doesn't mean we should play a skeleton crew for the foreseeable future in the hopes that Melo or Durant decide to leave their quality ball club to come join what is likely to be a bad basketball team.

I'd keep two principles in mind when building this team:
1. Seek value
2. Keep at least $4-8M in cap space for Trade Deadline deals.

With that framework in place, I'm open to a lot of options. I'd be happy to retain Howard or Miller, at the right price. Howard on a 3-year $21M deal seems like a good price to me. (I used to think that about Miller, but I'm growing real concerned about his injury history.)

Foye is a tough call. I certainly wouldn't pay him any more than $4M a year, and even that might be pushing it a bit. It really depends on the Arenas situation and on the availability of other options. If we anticipate keeping Arenas around for the remainder of his contract, then I don't think Foye is the right fit. Also, if somebody like Devin Harris is available, or maybe if Indiana will give us a pick to take T.J. Ford, then Foye would probably be unneeded.


With Arenas, Blatche, Thornton, McGee, Young, Ross & 3 draft picks I don't think we have to worry about being as bad as the New Jersey Nets. Arenas can win some games on his own. Blatche looks like a legit low post option. We've the athleticism to run some teams out the building with what we could potentially pick up in the draft.
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Post#16 » by Hoopalotta » Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:20 am

If we're thinking about wings.....

Though not exactly a great fit for Flip's system, I could definitely see us signing Larry Hughes for cheap, especially if Gil's back.

He just turned 31, which isn't too bad.

Two years for $4 million (total)? Sounds pretty good to me.

Another option would be Butler. Rasaul Butler. The year he's having is solid though, so might be expensive-ish.

Raja Bell is actually older than I had thought, so never mind a two year deal on him, though I could see one year for real cheap.
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Re: Projected Salaries Breakdown 

Post#17 » by GoneShammGone » Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:07 pm

nate33 wrote:...

If we let Howard, Miller and Foye walk, we'll have a salary figure of $33.9M next year, leaving us $19M or so in cap room.

I'd try and resign one of Howard or Miller this offseason to a reasonable deal (no more than $7M per year). I think I'd prefer Howard for his durability, defense and athleticism. He just fits better with the New Wizards.


How high do you guys think we would have to go for Howard? Given his baggage, and the current economic climate, would any team be likely to offer him more than the MLE? If not, could we be looking at getting him for something like 3/18? On the other hand, if we decline his option, would that anger him such that he would just rather take the MLE from a contending team?
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Post#18 » by MJG » Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:18 pm

GilShammGil wrote:On the other hand, if we decline his option, would that anger him such that he would just rather take the MLE from a contending team?

It's this that I've been thinking about this morning. How many players resign with the team that just declined their option for less money? Anyone have some examples?
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Post#19 » by Rafael122 » Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:32 pm

After 3 games, I'm definitely on the letting Miller go wagon. I've already said my piece on Foye. I wouldn't pick up Howard's team option nor would I sign him to MLE money. Yeah, he's produced in the past but I'm wary of guys posting monster numbers on bad teams and this is a prime example.

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Re: Projected Salaries Breakdown 

Post#20 » by Ruzious » Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:38 pm

Hoopalotta wrote:If we're thinking about wings.....

Though not exactly a great fit for Flip's system, I could definitely see us signing Larry Hughes for cheap, especially if Gil's back.

He just turned 31, which isn't too bad.

Two years for $4 million (total)? Sounds pretty good to me.

Another option would be Butler. Rasaul Butler. The year he's having is solid though, so might be expensive-ish.

Raja Bell is actually older than I had thought, so never mind a two year deal on him, though I could see one year for real cheap.

I think those moves would slightly improve the team - but for what purpose? When you're leveraging the cap space to acquire draft picks, you're going to get players that do the same things as those vets.

I'd like to go somewhere in between what nate and Dat suggested. Pick one of Miller, Foye, and Howard to keep. Foye is going to be the cheapest and is the one that really is a guard - which is where we're thinnest - I think Miller and Howard are 3's that can play the 2. And Foye's versatility is needed with GA's uncertainties. Or instead of Foye, they could go with a young FA swing guard or PG better than him. Miller and Howard would get us more wins, but in the short-term, winning should not be the priority - as hard as that is to swallow. And in 2 years, I think the odds are that one of Miller or Howard will be made cheaply available by the teams that sign them.
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