Alll Amare Talk Here: Thread 7

[red96]

A S&T could be possible this summer between Houston and Phoenix.....although I find that unlikely to happen, unless it's known that Yao will be out next season as well. I just don't see Amare and Yao playing well together. Their games don't compliment each other. I think that may have been why the Rockets were trying to get Amare for the rest of this year so they'd have a reliable low post threat this year for the playoff push and so they could S&T him to someone else this summer.

Now if the Rockets would still like to get their hands on a S&T Amare this summer (and Amare is willing to go to them....kinda unlikely with the Heat, Bulls, Knicks, Nets all in the mix for him), then a possible deal could be had. IMO, a deal would have to start w the Rockets pick along w the Knicks pick THIS YEAR, along with a combo of Scola (S&T)/Ariza/Budinger/Hill (although I'm not a big fan)/Brooks.

Well Amare has to sign with PHX to get the money and security(years) he wants. Thats why he'd be willing to come here and (hopefully)this package is why PHX would trade him to us.

We dont have the Kincks pick this year, Utah does. We have an swipe pick option for next year and NYK's 2012 pick. If we would give up our pick this year we wouldn't be aloud to give you guys the swipe pick for next year. The picks I had in mind were next years swap and our 2012 pick +JJ(expiring) +Battier (expiring and boughtout) + cash. You guys would get a young prospect in Hill already, why take the lesser pick now?

[red96]

I'm sure NY would do a TMac for Nash sign and trade in the summer. It's a shame that TMac and GrantHill never had the success they were meant to in Orlando. Now they could win a championship together with Amare next year.

Why would PHX want to trade Nash for TMAC now. PHX minus Nash + TMAC doesn't = Championship

[MarJJMar]

We wouldn't all the stuff in this thread is flat out stupid.

Most likely the Suns will extend Amare now, even if it just to preserve the value bc even with a 4yrs/75M$ extension on top of next year he'd still have positiv trade value and you could trade him in the offseason instead of hoping for an acceptable sign and trade.

[Frank Lee]

Well Amare has to sign with PHX to get the money and security(years) he wants.

Don't kid yourself kid.... we can easily be outbid ala JoeJohnson... and given that scenario, our only leverage for a sign and trade is having two teams like Chicago and Miami wanting Stat. We then can possibly glean some talent or draft picks.

Face it though....

Amare is going to the highest bidder. Do you really think it will be us ? He gave his terms, and Knobert and Kerr spun it like they were willing to pay whatever it takes, but dont want to commit to him for 4 yrs ? Come on... what a bunch of rubbish. We have 3 contracts guaranteed in '11/'12 and only 1 in '12/13... and these assclowns are skeptical about the length of his deal ?

All that does is diminish his trading value by admission to the league that we really aren't willing to be the highest bidder.... Essentially, NOW the real GMs know how to play us this off season.... and the price is a front loaded deal lasting 4 yrs... 5 or 6 marquis Free Agents and only one with a definitive price tag. I'd bet 5 teams would pay it right now. And bet yor ass or last dollar, some GM will offer that just to make Knobert moan. This 2 headed manure spreader has positioned their receptive Asscheeks as usual.

If you want him, Pony up. Should have been done already. But please dont try to spin this out again. They have all but assured Stat's departure and added to our aggravation.

Our only consolation is to watch him BEAST IT OUT over the next 20-30 games, driving his demand and value higher... just as one sweet last parting shot.

[red96]

Well Amare has to sign with PHX to get the money and security(years) he wants.

Don't kid yourself kid.... we can easily be outbid ala JoeJohnson... and given that scenario, our only leverage for a sign and trade is having two teams like Chicago and Miami wanting Stat. We then can possibly glean some talent or draft picks.

Face it though....

Amare is going to the highest bidder. Do you really think it will be us ? He gave his terms, and Knobert and Kerr spun it like they were willing to pay whatever it takes, but dont want to commit to him for 4 yrs ? Come on... what a bunch of rubbish. We have 3 contracts guaranteed in '11/'12 and only 1 in '12/13... and these assclowns are skeptical about the length of his deal ?

All that does is diminish his trading value by admission to the league that we really aren't willing to be the highest bidder.... Essentially, NOW the real GMs know how to play us this off season.... and the price is a front loaded deal lasting 4 yrs... 5 or 6 marquis Free Agents and only one with a definitive price tag. I'd bet 5 teams would pay it right now. And bet yor ass or last dollar, some GM will offer that just to make Knobert moan. This 2 headed manure spreader has positioned their receptive Asscheeks as usual.

If you want him, Pony up. Should have been done already. But please dont try to spin this out again. They have all but assured Stat's departure and added to our aggravation.

Our only consolation is to watch him BEAST IT OUT over the next 20-30 games, driving his demand and value higher... just as one sweet last parting shot.

You miss understood me. PHX can sign Amare to a longer contract at the max(security) than any other team just signing him outright. JJ's situation was alot different.

[GameTime_3]

Postscripts on last week's NBA trade deadline: Miami thought the Amare Stoudemire deal would get done, but believes Suns owner Robert Sarver killed it because Stoudemire was playing so well. One four-team scenario involving New York and Memphis was close, but Phoenix objected to restrictions on first-round picks it would get. .

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/02/21/1 ... n-for.html

[rsavaj]

Postscripts on last week's NBA trade deadline: Miami thought the Amare Stoudemire deal would get done, but believes Suns owner Robert Sarver killed it because Stoudemire was playing so well. One four-team scenario involving New York and Memphis was close, but Phoenix objected to restrictions on first-round picks it would get. .

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/02/21/1 ... n-for.html

New York and Memphis eh? Interesting...

[Mr. Sun]

Kerr said the speculation about trading Stoudemire to the Philadelphia 76ers was almost completely unfounded despite the constant rumors about the two teams talking about a deal.

"I didn't talk to Philadelphia for three weeks and yet their name was in there every single day," said Kerr.

[Frank Lee]

You miss understood me. PHX can sign Amare to a longer contract at the max(security) than any other team just signing him outright. JJ's situation was alot different.

'Can' and 'will' are two vastly different scenarios. Amare's request has already been turned down, and it was neither the max length or amount. Why should he accept anything less ? And now he has given notice to all other suitors what his price is.

Any lowballing by Knobert will only aggravate the situation. Stat should have been extended by now.

[red96]

You miss understood me. PHX can sign Amare to a longer contract at the max(security) than any other team just signing him outright. JJ's situation was alot different.

'Can' and 'will' are two vastly different scenarios. Amare's request has already been turned down, and it was neither the max length or amount. Why should he accept anything less ? And now he has given notice to all other suitors what his price is.

Any lowballing by Knobert will only aggravate the situation. Stat should have been extended by now.

I understand what your saying but you missed the whole point. Your saying Suns dont want to give Amare the contract he wants and Im not disputing that. What im saying is that if the Suns trade him for HOU's package it wouldn't matter if they signed him for what he wants, HOU would be the one's paying it. Why would they care how much he makes if he's not on the team?

[Arles]

The basic thought process is that a team like Houston or Cleveland (without much cap space) might be willing to sign Amare to a bigger contract because they can offload 1-2 contracts in a S&T. That, in turn, would force a team like Miami or Chicago to do the same thing as suddenly Houston could offer 1 more year for more money than a pure FA deal would.

So, in essence, if one team is willing to a sign and trade to get Amare the max, chances are all teams would need to do that to have a chance at landing him.

[Mr. Sun]

The basic thought process is that a team like Houston or Cleveland (without much cap space) might be willing to sign Amare to a bigger contract because they can offload 1-2 contracts in a S&T.

Logical assumption 3-5 years ago but this close to the CBA expiring I doubt any team wants to commit to more than $15 million a year for more than 3 years for any one not named James or Wade.

[Frank Lee]

The basic thought process is that a team like Houston or Cleveland (without much cap space) might be willing to sign Amare to a bigger contract because they can offload 1-2 contracts in a S&T. That, in turn, would force a team like Miami or Chicago to do the same thing as suddenly Houston could offer 1 more year for more money than a pure FA deal would.

So, in essence, if one team is willing to a sign and trade to get Amare the max, chances are all teams would need to do that to have a chance at landing him.

And if Amare opts out ??? Or decides he does not want to play for Cleve or Houston or ?

Stat completely holds the cards now. And Kerr and Knobert are left begging for his cooperation. I dont think its all about money for Stat. His request seemed reasonable and our two fisted circle jerk poked him in the eye with it.

We have left the backdoor open once again.

[lilfishi22]

And if Amare opts out ??? Or decides he does not want to play for Cleve or Houston or ?

Stat completely holds the cards now. And Kerr and Knobert are left begging for his cooperation. I dont think its all about money for Stat. His request seemed reasonable and our two fisted circle jerk poked him in the eye with it.

We have left the backdoor open once again.

I still think we can work out an extension with Amare before he hits free agency. However, I still doubt he has a long-term future with the Suns. We are looking to be a playoff-contender at best for the next 2-4 seasons. I can't see Sarver paying more than $15m over 2 years and if they give Amare max years, I don't see him going over $13m. Amare's market value will be ridiculously inflated because there are teams like Chicago, NY, NJ and Miami willing to pay him the max, so I could see teams giving us more if we could sign him to a well-below market value contract.

Our FO has no choice but to extend him, even if that means to surrender to some of his demands like the extra years. If he hits FA without a deal, he'll walk for nothing and we are ****ed.

[Arles]

The basic thought process is that a team like Houston or Cleveland (without much cap space) might be willing to sign Amare to a bigger contract because they can offload 1-2 contracts in a S&T.

Logical assumption 3-5 years ago but this close to the CBA expiring I doubt any team wants to commit to more than $15 million a year for more than 3 years for any one not named James or Wade.

If that's the case, Phoenix is in great shape. If he stays and takes the offer on the table, he will make over $45 million for 3 years. No team can match that on a 3-year deal so if money is what matters to Amare - he'll keep his option and sign a 2-year extension.

Of course, if you believe that teams are willing to go 5+ years with Amare (as I do), then the sign and trade is where he can make the most cash.

[rsavaj]

The basic thought process is that a team like Houston or Cleveland (without much cap space) might be willing to sign Amare to a bigger contract because they can offload 1-2 contracts in a S&T. That, in turn, would force a team like Miami or Chicago to do the same thing as suddenly Houston could offer 1 more year for more money than a pure FA deal would.

So, in essence, if one team is willing to a sign and trade to get Amare the max, chances are all teams would need to do that to have a chance at landing him.

And if Amare opts out ??? Or decides he does not want to play for Cleve or Houston or ?

Stat completely holds the cards now. And Kerr and Knobert are left begging for his cooperation. I dont think its all about money for Stat. His request seemed reasonable and our two fisted circle jerk poked him in the eye with it.

We have left the backdoor open once again.

I think the dollars per year they offered were on the low side, but I have no problem with only offering him 2 years.