Bargnani vs. Blatche

[raps4life~]

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#1 Bustnani is a lame name. I'm sure all the creative minds on RealGM can come up with a better nick.

It fits him to a tee.

#2 He's 1.5yrs into his pro career. He's already had some pretty impressive games and shown a lot of potential. I think that is what frustrates Raptors fans so much. To put him in the same boat as Kwame is ridiculous. He's gone through one tough slump and now he's a bust?!?! I guess Yi is a bust too.

His flaws are not correctable i.e. softness and allergic to rebounding. It's rare that a player of his softness ever decides to become "tough." I mean c'mon - he shoots 37|% for crying out loud. That is HORRIBLE for a guard, let alone your bigman.

BTW Kwame's second year in the league was better than Bustnani's 2nd year.

#3 I'm sure Blatche would love to play in Toronto. His chances of getting shot by Canadian hookers would be greatly reduced compared to the Washington ones.

Actually he would hate to play in Toronto because your women are ugly and its cold as balls up there.

Just to pile on, Blatche is younger than Bargs too, so the "potential" argument pretty much goes out the door.

lol, this **** pretty much got told I guess..

and for the record, I have family in DC but I live in Toronto...DC doesn't hold a candle to beautiful Toronto. Place is a hellhole outside of the government buildings.

lol. seriously though, washington is one of the most sketch places in the world. Once while drving in that area we got lost and ended up in what looked like a third world country. People had guns out in plane site, and im pretty sure we saw people having sex on the side of the road. the fact this guy makes fun of toronto is laughable. nevertheless, that has nothing to do with this thread, my apologizes for going off track, just had to point that out.

[VictorPage44]

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LMAO at these lames from toronto who dont know s*** about DC. "DC is a hellhole outside of the government buildings" hahaha... so stupid. who is really interested in the govt buildings when they go to DC? thats some lame ass tourist BS.

[raps4life~]

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LMAO at these lames from toronto who dont know s*** about DC. "DC is a hellhole outside of the government buildings" hahaha... so stupid. who is really interested in the govt buildings when they go to DC? thats some lame ass tourist BS.

Sorry, I am speaking from experience... I didn't go to any tourist areas at all, we were driving through DC and ended up in an absolute ghetto.

And doesn't DC have one of the highest crime rates in the country?

Not sure what you are trying to say. Maybe Washington has some nice areas, but overall it is a dump, even my relatives in the States have agreed with that.

[WesWesley]

I've been to DC and had a great time.

It's not as big a city as Toronto, and there is plenty more to do in Toronto, but DC has it's own culture that's pretty unique.

The Holocaust museum was and a few other Museums there were really interesting.

[Dr Positivity]

I thought nate33 locked this thread.

He did, and he opened it again when Bargnani was playing like utter crap with Wizards fans dancing around the thread, and then Bargnani broke out, pwned Blatche hard in a head to head match up and then the Wizards fans shut their mouths up.

I thought Blatche had a better night than Bargs. Nobody was successful in guarding Blatche, Blatche did a pretty good job on Bargs down the stretch.

Consistency will always be the question regarding Blatche, but his skillset is far superior around the block than Bargs. Plus he has a very good midrange jumper, can handle the ball, etc. Most importantly, he actually rebounds like a PF, not like a SF.

Anyway, it is too early to say whether Blatche is a mirage or not. But he is younger with a superior skillset and rebounds.

If he had a better night than Bargs the Wiz would've won. 24 points on 21 shots vs 18 points on 13 shots and Bargnani's defense in the 4th swung the game. Blatche didn't even outrebound him. Bargnani didn't score much in the 2nd half not because Blatche was defending him well, but because he wasn't taking shots which happens for long periods for him in our offense which is pretty much stacked

I agree this could still be a close comparison but I will wait for more than 3 games from Blatche to see. He's been inconsistent in the past.

As for the better skillset... absolutely not

[VictorPage44]

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LMAO at these lames from toronto who dont know s*** about DC. "DC is a hellhole outside of the government buildings" hahaha... so stupid. who is really interested in the govt buildings when they go to DC? thats some lame ass tourist BS.

Sorry, I am speaking from experience... I didn't go to any tourist areas at all, we were driving through DC and ended up in an absolute ghetto.

And doesn't DC have one of the highest crime rates in the country?

Not sure what you are trying to say. Maybe Washington has some nice areas, but overall it is a dump, even my relatives in the States have agreed with that.

I'm not going to argue that DC doesnt have a bunch of grimy areas. It was the murder capital of the country in the late 80s/ early 90s. Being from DC, I know all about that. DC is a also a lively place with a bunch of diverse neighborhoods. To say, "oh, well overall its a dump" is pretty ridiculous and just indicates you really have no idea what you're talking about, or what's actually in DC. I'd say the same about your relatives. Judging by their comments they probably live somewhere way the hell out in the suburbs and are scared to venture into the deep dark "inner city".

[Jimmy76]

why is it always with raptors fans people get in arguments about their city?

[VictorPage44]

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They're a buncha snobs lol

[Kabookalu]

As for the better skillset... absolutely not

With skillset being brought up, a misconception about Bargnani is that he can only score from the perimeter or from open 3 pointers. Not true. He has been utilizing his post game more than ever and he's actually been using it on actual bigs, not guards or small forwards that try to match with his perimeter game. He has a pretty reliable driving hook move and a turn around hook that is actually very very refined.

[raps4life~]

I didn't mean to start an argument. I was just speaking from my experiences there in response to the quote saying people don't want to come to Toronto because it is cold as "balls". Anyhoo, shouldn't have brought it up, continue with the original discussion.

[Relentless88]

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They're a buncha snobs lol

Out of curiosity, how you been to Toronto?

[Kabookalu]

I didn't mean to start an argument. I was just speaking from my experiences there in response to the quote saying people don't want to come to Toronto because it is cold as "balls". Anyhoo, shouldn't have brought it up, continue with the original discussion.

yungal's posts should just be ignored.

[VictorPage44]

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They're a buncha snobs lol

Out of curiosity, how you been to Toronto?

once a long time ago for a few hours.

[nate33]

If he had a better night than Bargs the Wiz would've won. 24 points on 21 shots vs 18 points on 13 shots and Bargnani's defense in the 4th swung the game. Blatche didn't even outrebound him. Bargnani didn't score much in the 2nd half not because Blatche was defending him well, but because he wasn't taking shots which happens for long periods for him in our offense which is pretty much stacked

C'mon Dr. Mufasa. You're a fair-minded poster, you know better than that. Bargs had a better point per shot ratio because he shot 6 free throws. Those free throws came from shot attempts and those shot attempts should be charged in your equations.

Blatche had 24 points on a TS% of .538. Bargnani had 18 points on a TS% of .575. Considering that shooting efficiency tends to drop with attempts, and that Blatche managed to get that many more attempts up despite playing 6 fewer minutes, I'd say they were pretty even.

Also factor that, as a team, Toronto had a TS% of .626 so Bargnani was actually hurting the efficiency of his team on the margin. Meanwhile, the Wizards had a TS% of .526 so Blatche was improving the efficiency of his team. It's harder to shoot efficiently when the opposing team knows you're their best option.

It's really kind of pointless to argue over single-game stats. I'm not trying to say Blatche outplayed Bargnani. Likewise, I think it's unfair to state that Bargnani outplayed Blatche.

[Relentless88]

If he had a better night than Bargs the Wiz would've won. 24 points on 21 shots vs 18 points on 13 shots and Bargnani's defense in the 4th swung the game. Blatche didn't even outrebound him. Bargnani didn't score much in the 2nd half not because Blatche was defending him well, but because he wasn't taking shots which happens for long periods for him in our offense which is pretty much stacked

C'mon Dr. Mufasa. You're a fair-minded poster, you know better than that. Bargs had a better point per shot ratio because he shot 6 free throws. Those free throws came from shot attempts and those shot attempts should be charged in your equations.

Blatche had 24 points on a TS% of .538. Bargnani had 18 points on a TS% of .575. Considering that shooting efficiency tends to drop with attempts, and that Blatche managed to get that many more attempts up despite playing 6 fewer minutes, I'd say they were pretty even.

Also factor that, as a team, Toronto had a TS% of .626 so Bargnani was actually hurting the efficiency of his team on the margin. Meanwhile, the Wizards had a TS% of .526 so Blatche was improving the efficiency of his team. It's harder to shoot efficiently when the opposing team knows you're their best option.

It's really kind of pointless to argue over single-game stats. I'm not trying to say Blatche outplayed Bargnani. Likewise, I think it's unfair to state that Bargnani outplayed Blatche.

Just because his TS% is lower than the team's, he's hurting them?

rofl, nice logic there.

[Dr Positivity]

C'mon Dr. Mufasa. You're a fair-minded poster, you know better than that. Bargs had a better point per shot ratio because he shot 6 free throws. Those free throws came from shot attempts and those shot attempts should be charged in your equations.

Sure, but it's to his benefit he went to the FT line more, with his % there that's the most efficient thing he can do. Furthermore Blatche went 3 times and Bargnani went 6, if you count every FT attempt as .4 a shot like TS% does that's 1.2 difference, meaning Blatche took the equivalent of 6.8 shots more instead of 8. If nobody got an and-1 that game it'd be 6.5. Either way his extra shots number was higher than his extra points making the 24 vs 18 difference meaningless

Blatche had 24 points on a TS% of .538. Bargnani had 18 points on a TS% of .575. Considering that shooting efficiency tends to drop with attempts, and that Blatche managed to get that many more attempts up despite playing 6 fewer minutes, I'd say they were pretty even.

Also factor that, as a team, Toronto had a TS% of .626 so Bargnani was actually hurting the efficiency of his team on the margin. Meanwhile, the Wizards had a TS% of .526 so Blatche was improving the efficiency of his team. It's harder to shoot efficiently when the opposing team knows you're their best option.

Agreed, Blatche did his job by scoring at a high volume, Bargnani did his by shooting less but more efficiently which fits on a team with lots of options.

It's really kind of pointless to argue over single-game stats. I'm not trying to say Blatche outplayed Bargnani. Likewise, I think it's unfair to state that Bargnani outplayed Blatche.

That was my original point. If Blatche outplayed Bargnani you would've won. Most noticeably you needed a bucket when we went on a 14-0 run whereas Bargnani didn't score in that frame but pitched a shutout defensively from 5:39-1:21 which stole us the win.

But I agree overall they had similar impacts in the game - The point was more denying the statement that Blatche was BETTER, rather than trying to prove he was clearly worse

[Ripp]

Blatche outplayed Bargs, but his "PGs" decided to go away from him. Mike MIller had a terrible game (and more generally, is a terrible player.) Was abused by Hedo Turkoglu, turned over the ball, didn't shoot enough, and didn't exploit being guarded by a rookie. It is hard to win when only one or two guys on your team are contributing positively.

[Ripp]

Wow...I didn't even realize the Wiz were playing tonight. Blatche for 25 points on 13 shots, 9 trips to the line, 11 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks.

Washington is lucky as hell to have this guy locked up for two more years at 3 mil per year.They'd better extend him ASAP before too many other teams notice..

Going to watch the game on league pass now.

How many games will he need to do this before we acknowledge him as a beast? Does he need to average 20/10 for the remainder of the season?

[Kabookalu]

Blatche outplayed Bargs, but his "PGs" decided to go away from him.

Sounds very very familiar to another player in this comparison.

[Jimmy76]

Wow...I didn't even realize the Wiz were playing tonight. Blatche for 25 points on 13 shots, 9 trips to the line, 11 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks.

Washington is lucky as hell to have this guy locked up for two more years at 3 mil per year.They'd better extend him ASAP before too many other teams notice..

Going to watch the game on league pass now.

How many games will he need to do this before we acknowledge him as a beast? Does he need to average 20/10 for the remainder of the season?

yes