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What kind of team are we building? 

Post#1 » by longfellow44 » Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:38 am

I saw this on another forum and found that it was pretty interesting discussion.
Petrie tends to try to build teams that are structured around team ball with each individual player being skilled in all areas. Usually this is the Princeton.

But since we've drafted Evans his style of play is a bit different and doesn't mesh that well with a strictly unselfish team game. With him as our star we fall into the build around a star category.

But which type of team are we building and which type should we be building. You have you star teams built around iverson, and Kobe and lebron. All of which are soilid ways to build. The iverson route went with iverson being the only truly active offensive play and most others being tough role players. Kobe's teams have all been built around a 1, 2 punch with talented role players to make them more effective. Lebron has been a 1 man show sort of like the iverson teams but has been trying to become more like the Kobe teams with 2nd option kind of guy on the team.

My philosophy s that we need a 1 2 punch tyreke can be the main guard/wing player but we need a dominant big man to truly be successful. I think we have a lot of our role players we just need that dominant big.

If tyreke were a little less dominating of our offense then I think we could still make a team game like the Princeton work but he just isnresponsible for so much of our offense that it becomes difficult to create unpredictable ball movement. Wel also suffer from a lack of distributors on the team currently most of the guys are one on one type guys.
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Post#3 » by SacKingZZZ » Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:45 am

Well for now, since they are so high on Landry, they should build this team around Evans and Landry. If Landry pans out he could be a HUGE piece moving forward either by trade or just simply plugging that hole that needed to be plugged forever. I still think you need shooters around Evans and really rely on the drive and dish and pick and roll/pop. Nothing too complicated by any stretch. Needs to learn the pick and roll though. Between he and Brockman, Hawes, and now Landry, he's probably missed a good 30 or so opportunities to get easy points simply because he never looked left off the pick and roll when the defense hedged into a double team. It's funny, even Grant and Jerry finally diagrammed a play on that specific issue when he didn't do that very thing in the last game. Hopefully with a coach like Westphal, being one of the better guards to ever play this game, he'll get that drilled into his head enough to where it finally sticks.

I like Garcia at the SG spot. He fills all basic needs on paper. He can shoot, he's fine in a complimentary role and he does the intangible things that justify his being in that position, he can run the point, he's a solid defender, and he's clutch.

The SF spot is tricky. We might need more but in theory Casspi is a good fit because he hustles and he can spot shoot. He also rebounds well for his position which will help us having a low rebound per minute guy in Landry. Donte is another choice here but he really is more comfortable breaking out of the offense and going one on one. That kind of play might be better suited off the bench. The draft has an interesting SF in Wes Johnson. He's kind of like a Prince/Ariza/Gay type. Super athletic and can spot shoot. He's also a great defender.

Landry at PF works for me if he's meant to be the number 2 option. If not, look elsewhere. He's got the talent on offense, plays solid defense, but can't rebound to save his life. He can also shoot which is a major plus. Also showed a hint of some nice court vision last game working up in the high post. Would be nice to post up Landry on one play, then post up Evans on another. What would teams do??? Brockman is a definite keep IMO. He produces out there on the court and doesn't make mistakes. With his free throw shooting coming around he might even become an asset on offense instead of a liability.

I still like Spencer at C. I'd really still like to see Hawes run some of the offense from time to time, but he's a great fit for the drive and dish game. Thompson is a good spark plug type, and I'd actually like to see him go back to SF at times. Off the bench he can play 3 positions and I still contend that he's a matchup nightmare at SF. Bring him off the bench at the 3 once and awhile and post him up at will. Me likes Dorsey, me likes him a lot. Bring that D big fella, bring that D.
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Post#4 » by longfellow44 » Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:26 am

What I like best is this.

Get a combo Guard next to Evans. I really like Jrue Holiday and think that if we can get him he would be perfect next to Evans(best defensive backcourt). But right now we Have Udrih who I really like playing next to Evans, the only issue here is that we traded Sergio so now we have no backup for Udrih.
My ideal scenario here is to play two ball handling guards but for the other guard to comfortably defer to Evans and require the ball a bit less to be effective. Udrih is great with that and I think Holiday would be too.

at the forward spots I want to see casspi or some terrific 3pt shooter at SF. I might be willing to look at a trade that brought in a 3pt shooter like Gallanari in exchange for Evans because the kings need 3pt shooting out of our SF badly. Right now Casspi fills that role adequately but I would hope that he becomes an even better 3pt shooter in order to maximize the talent on the court. Landry is a very nice PF but i'm not sure he's a starter on a great team. I like that he's a great complimentary player and that we can give him the ball and say go get me 2 points and he usually can. I think Landry's athleticism is what gets him the starting spot.

At center I want a dominant big man. We don't have one and the only one I see in the draft is Cousins so if we can get him I think we would be in great shape. But, If we can't then I think I would like to run with Hawes as the starting center his ability to spread the floor will help make room for Evans and Landry as they handle their buisness in the paint.

Starters
Udrih
Evans
Casspi
Landry
Hawes

Guard reserves would be Garcia as of right now we don't have any more back up PG's so it's a bit of an issue. Garcia would be adequate but this team could really use a 3rd PG.

Forward reserve is Donte greene. He should be able to cover both Forward spots no problem and his ability to stretch the floor at the PF spot and then drive to the hoop will always be a mismatch problem. If he can put on a bit of Weight he could be like our Version of Robert Horry.

Center reserve- Jason Thompson can cover either post position and is a very good energy hustle guy that should be able to take advantage of other teams 2nd units and due to his high foul rate this uses him the best allowing to play all out and accumulate fouls with out the risk of losing a starter. His offensive rebounds would go along way to helping us stay in the game while our subs are in.

With this roster I see the kings running a variant of the triangle offense more focus on the high post than on the low post. So you would see a lot more passes to Hawes at the Elbow setting up a triangle with Evans and landry with Evans at the top of the arc. Would be very effective and would allow evans to still develop plays off his drives to the basket.

With current players the 8 man rotation look like this
Udrih
Evans/Garcia
Omri/Greene
Landry/Thompson
Hawes

If we are able to draft cousins and somehow get holiday I see it more like this.
Holiday/Udrih
Evans
Omri/Greene
Landry
Cousins/Thompson

With this version Hawes and Garcia become expendable and could be packaged for something nice.
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Post#5 » by JSrose115 » Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:08 am

i just think we really need some consistent scorers on our team. our best defensive lineup is evans,casspi,greene,dorsey,landry. IMO, see detroit. i know i shouldnt base it off one game, but i am high on dorsey, i wanted westphal to play him more, since brockman is out.
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Post#6 » by cuad » Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:34 pm

Just what forum might you be talking about?

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Post#7 » by darkadun » Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:24 pm

Evans and Landry are the best players on the team right now, as far as consistency goes. We'll have to see how Cisco plays next year, but he is a great fit next to Evans. He is the Christie type role player every good team needs. Plus he fits in with his toughness and endless energy. With a star PG, I think a role player SG is the best fit. Having a all-star pg and sg might sound great on paper, but I doubt how effect it would be in the long run.

No question we need a legit second star player next to Evans. Ideally it would be a big man. When you look at our team, we already have alot of good role players for the future. Casspi and Donte will be strong role players for us in the future. Beno and JT are in the same boat.

Landry I see as a super-role player. Not quite at all-star level yet, but a step above role players. And Mr. Spence Hawes could develop into such a role for us as well, but I honestly don't know where he will end up.
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Post#8 » by longfellow44 » Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:12 pm

To cuad:
Don't worry I don't post over there I'm just a lurker on that site I know where my true home is.:)
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Post#9 » by SacTownKings4Life » Sat Feb 27, 2010 9:43 am

longfellow44 wrote:What I like best is this.

Get a combo Guard next to Evans. I really like Jrue Holiday and think that if we can get him he would be perfect next to Evans(best defensive backcourt). But right now we Have Udrih who I really like playing next to Evans, the only issue here is that we traded Sergio so now we have no backup for Udrih.
My ideal scenario here is to play two ball handling guards but for the other guard to comfortably defer to Evans and require the ball a bit less to be effective. Udrih is great with that and I think Holiday would be too.

at the forward spots I want to see casspi or some terrific 3pt shooter at SF. I might be willing to look at a trade that brought in a 3pt shooter like Gallanari in exchange for Evans because the kings need 3pt shooting out of our SF badly. Right now Casspi fills that role adequately but I would hope that he becomes an even better 3pt shooter in order to maximize the talent on the court. Landry is a very nice PF but i'm not sure he's a starter on a great team. I like that he's a great complimentary player and that we can give him the ball and say go get me 2 points and he usually can. I think Landry's athleticism is what gets him the starting spot.

At center I want a dominant big man. We don't have one and the only one I see in the draft is Cousins so if we can get him I think we would be in great shape. But, If we can't then I think I would like to run with Hawes as the starting center his ability to spread the floor will help make room for Evans and Landry as they handle their buisness in the paint.


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Post#10 » by Wolfay » Sat Feb 27, 2010 9:58 am

SacTownKings4Life wrote:
longfellow44 wrote:What I like best is this.

Get a combo Guard next to Evans. I really like Jrue Holiday and think that if we can get him he would be perfect next to Evans(best defensive backcourt). But right now we Have Udrih who I really like playing next to Evans, the only issue here is that we traded Sergio so now we have no backup for Udrih.
My ideal scenario here is to play two ball handling guards but for the other guard to comfortably defer to Evans and require the ball a bit less to be effective. Udrih is great with that and I think Holiday would be too.

at the forward spots I want to see casspi or some terrific 3pt shooter at SF. I might be willing to look at a trade that brought in a 3pt shooter like Gallanari in exchange for Evans because the kings need 3pt shooting out of our SF badly. Right now Casspi fills that role adequately but I would hope that he becomes an even better 3pt shooter in order to maximize the talent on the court. Landry is a very nice PF but i'm not sure he's a starter on a great team. I like that he's a great complimentary player and that we can give him the ball and say go get me 2 points and he usually can. I think Landry's athleticism is what gets him the starting spot.

At center I want a dominant big man. We don't have one and the only one I see in the draft is Cousins so if we can get him I think we would be in great shape. But, If we can't then I think I would like to run with Hawes as the starting center his ability to spread the floor will help make room for Evans and Landry as they handle their buisness in the paint.


Um, you lost me right there...


Wow, I just noticed that too. I hope that was colossal brain fart on his part.
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Post#11 » by Royal Zephyrus » Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:35 pm

longfellow44 wrote:What I like best is this.

Get a combo Guard next to Evans. I really like Jrue Holiday and think that if we can get him he would be perfect next to Evans(best defensive backcourt). But right now we Have Udrih who I really like playing next to Evans, the only issue here is that we traded Sergio so now we have no backup for Udrih.
My ideal scenario here is to play two ball handling guards but for the other guard to comfortably defer to Evans and require the ball a bit less to be effective. Udrih is great with that and I think Holiday would be too.

at the forward spots I want to see casspi or some terrific 3pt shooter at SF. I might be willing to look at a trade that brought in a 3pt shooter like Gallanari in exchange for Evans because the kings need 3pt shooting out of our SF badly. Right now Casspi fills that role adequately but I would hope that he becomes an even better 3pt shooter in order to maximize the talent on the court. Landry is a very nice PF but i'm not sure he's a starter on a great team. I like that he's a great complimentary player and that we can give him the ball and say go get me 2 points and he usually can. I think Landry's athleticism is what gets him the starting spot.

At center I want a dominant big man. We don't have one and the only one I see in the draft is Cousins so if we can get him I think we would be in great shape. But, If we can't then I think I would like to run with Hawes as the starting center his ability to spread the floor will help make room for Evans and Landry as they handle their buisness in the paint.

Starters
Udrih
Evans
Casspi
Landry
Hawes

Guard reserves would be Garcia as of right now we don't have any more back up PG's so it's a bit of an issue. Garcia would be adequate but this team could really use a 3rd PG.

Forward reserve is Donte greene. He should be able to cover both Forward spots no problem and his ability to stretch the floor at the PF spot and then drive to the hoop will always be a mismatch problem. If he can put on a bit of Weight he could be like our Version of Robert Horry.

Center reserve- Jason Thompson can cover either post position and is a very good energy hustle guy that should be able to take advantage of other teams 2nd units and due to his high foul rate this uses him the best allowing to play all out and accumulate fouls with out the risk of losing a starter. His offensive rebounds would go along way to helping us stay in the game while our subs are in.

With this roster I see the kings running a variant of the triangle offense more focus on the high post than on the low post. So you would see a lot more passes to Hawes at the Elbow setting up a triangle with Evans and landry with Evans at the top of the arc. Would be very effective and would allow evans to still develop plays off his drives to the basket.

With current players the 8 man rotation look like this
Udrih
Evans/Garcia
Omri/Greene
Landry/Thompson
Hawes

If we are able to draft cousins and somehow get holiday I see it more like this.
Holiday/Udrih
Evans
Omri/Greene
Landry
Cousins/Thompson

With this version Hawes and Garcia become expendable and could be packaged for something nice.


Worst shooting backcourt in the HISTORY of the NBA.

Honestly, the guard that would be a PERFECT compliment to Evans is one like Stephen Curry.
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Post#12 » by longfellow44 » Sat Feb 27, 2010 4:51 pm

What I meant was casspi not Evans I don't know why I typed that.

And holiday has been a very solid 3pt shooter so I think that he would Benares great fit especially with his tough defense.

Curry would be the best option but I'm not sure we could get him unless we were to land the 1st pick.
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Post#13 » by darkadun » Sat Feb 27, 2010 5:31 pm

If you want a good combo guard, Evan Turner would be the man. I doubt we'll be in a position to draft the guy, but who knows? I didn't think we would have been able to draft Rubio at 4 last year, and we were. Who knows where we'll draft at and who will be available.
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Post#14 » by SacKingZZZ » Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:54 pm

I don't think a player like Curry is actually all that good of a fit IMO. Don't need all that to be honest. We'd be getting 1/10 of what he's capable of. A player like Kirk Hinrich is actually a much better fit now than ever I would think. Beno or Garcia will suffice though.
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Post#15 » by SacTown Kings » Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:45 am

I think we are building a team with toughness, I don't think it is a coincidence that Petrie has brought in guys like Landry, Brockness, Casspi, Evans, Dorsey, Udoka...I think we have been so soft for so long (Bibby, Miller, Martin...) Petrie is bringing in guys that play tough and with heart.
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Post#16 » by longfellow44 » Sun Feb 28, 2010 1:13 am

^^I completely agree. toughness seems to be his new motto. Sure he still wants highly skilled players but he is apparently trying to give us a bit of an edge.
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Post#17 » by SacKingZZZ » Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:07 am

Well, Petrie seems to be building the right kind of team around his new star. He's building a team more like the one he could have built around Bonzi/Artest, hopefully he does it the right way.

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