How good could the Jazz be if they get the #1 pick?

Ming Kong! · Post #1 » by **Ming Kong!** » Mon Mar 1, 2010 5:25 pm

Alright guys, how good can the Jazz be if they get the #1 pick?

I'm going to assume we retain Boozer, Fes, Mathews, Korver, and Gaines

Okur/Fes/Koufos
Boozer/Millsap
Kirilenko/Mathews/Miles
Turner (or Wall)/Korver
Williams/Price/Gaines

Does Okur already have an extension beyond 10/11? If not that's $28M off our hands, I could see the Jazz keeping AK for MLE-$10M range, but how about making a run for Carmelo Anthony? Similar weather, region, etc.. though I would figure Denver is a funner city, as an outsider. Regardless we could be players as we should have the money. Shoot, even Miles is coming off the books in 2011. :-)

Ming Kong! · Post #2 » by **Ming Kong!** » Mon Mar 1, 2010 5:27 pm

Do you guys think with that roster that we could get 60+ wins, and compete with the Lakers and Cavs?

QuantumMacgyver · Post #3 » by **QuantumMacgyver** » Mon Mar 1, 2010 6:14 pm

Ming Kong! wrote:Do you guys think with that roster that we could get 60+ wins, and compete with the Lakers and Cavs?

With the Cavs maybe, but not the Lakers. Hell, we can compete with the Cavs now.

Turner is gonna be a flatout player in this league and he'd really push us into elite status, but he makes us better at a position that we are OK at. For us to ever genuinely be considered contenders, we HAVE to get a defensive presence in the paint. It'd be nice if that presence could come from Fes or Koufas, but I don't see it happening.

If the Jazz were too get the #1 pick then we would be contenders next year for sure. Because every team in the bottom 10 would be willing to trade any player on their roster and their pick to move up for John Wall. So say the Nets end up #2. They would trade Lopez and the #2 for John Wall any day. So we essentially pick up Turner and the answer to our Center issues on draft night.

P.S. I am totally pipe-dreaming here.

babyjax13 · Post #4 » by **babyjax13** » Mon Mar 1, 2010 6:16 pm

They wouldn't trade Lopez and the pick....Harris and the pick yes, but not Lopez. Their goal is to have Wall and Brook on the same team, and I don't blame them one bit - that would be scary.

QuantumMacgyver · Post #5 » by **QuantumMacgyver** » Mon Mar 1, 2010 6:16 pm

And while I am at it, what if Kobe got seriously injured and the Jazz won the Championship this year AND got the #1 pick in the draft! It's an interesting thought. Like when Detroit when to the Finals(Or maybe it was the Conference finals) and got the #2 pick.

Post #6 » by **StocktonShorts** » Mon Mar 1, 2010 6:27 pm

Ming Kong! wrote:Alright guys, how good can the Jazz be if they get the #1 pick?

I'm going to assume we retain Boozer, Fes, Mathews, Korver, and Gaines

Okur/Fes/Koufos
Boozer/Millsap
Kirilenko/Mathews/Miles
Turner (or Wall)/Korver
Williams/Price/Gaines

Does Okur already have an extension beyond 10/11? If not that's $28M off our hands, I could see the Jazz keeping AK for MLE-$10M range, but how about making a run for Carmelo Anthony? Similar weather, region, etc.. though I would figure Denver is a funner city, as an outsider. Regardless we could be players as we should have the money. Shoot, even Miles is coming off the books in 2011.

Memo is signed through 11/12. Keeping that roster you've outlined for next year puts the Jazz well into luxury tax area.

Post #7 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Mon Mar 1, 2010 6:55 pm

Lets keep the day dreaming contained to fewer threads....

Post #8 » by **jazzfan1971** » Mon Mar 1, 2010 6:55 pm

Grabbing the #1 pick for a team allready top 8 in the league would be huge. Lightning in a bottle.

Of course you'd have to pick wisely in a draft that wasn't poor. But, this draft is expected to be a strong one. Still, if you go with need over talent and draft the next Kwame at #1 it's not going to put you over the top.

The Jazz did pretty well last time they had a high pick, so I'm hoping they wouldn't blow their big chance on the next Darko or something. Just take the surefire superstar and worry about need later.

erudite23 · Post #9 » by **erudite23** » Mon Mar 1, 2010 7:18 pm

I don't generally like the idea of dreaming of things like this before you get them, but I will say that if this happened....the league would be in serious trouble.

HolyToledo · Post #10 » by **HolyToledo** » Mon Mar 1, 2010 7:38 pm

The Jazz would have to take Wall or trade him for a young guy like Lopez of the Nets. To get Lopez, the jazz would have to add young talent like Miles and Kosta.

Post #11 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Mon Mar 1, 2010 7:41 pm

John Wall is more valuable than Lopez.

Ming Kong! · Post #12 » by **Ming Kong!** » Mon Mar 1, 2010 8:39 pm

The problem with the Nets is that they can't get below the #4 pick, and this is a deep draft, why do you trade a very good center in Brooks, something very rare these days, plus the #4 pick in a very deep draft for the #1 pick? Like others have said, ofcourse they would do Harris and their pick for Wall, since Wall would be replacing Harris anyways.

I would be all over Kevin Love and their pick if they decide to loose Jefferson or Love. I'll throw some salary too if it needs to be done.

Ming Kong! · Post #13 » by **Ming Kong!** » Mon Mar 1, 2010 8:40 pm

HolyToledo wrote:The Jazz would have to take Wall or trade him for a young guy like Lopez of the Nets. To get Lopez, the jazz would have to add young talent like Miles and Kosta.

Keyword, TALENT, not garbage. Adding garbage when you're trying to go for a stud in the 2010 offseason is not smart.

beyonder · Post #14 » by **beyonder** » Mon Mar 1, 2010 9:16 pm

It seems that this draft won't bring second Duncan or Howard (all big men are rather prospects - Ed Davis and Derick Favors didn't live up to the expectations, Cousins and Monroe had some problems with attitude and Cole Aldrich is constantly compared to Przybilla). So if the Jazz somehow win the lottery they will have to take Wall.
The problem is they don't need him. Although I wonder if DWill and Wall could coexist together in one lineup - they both need the ball to be effective and the defensive matchups would hurt them.
The best young PF in the league is Chris Bosh so the best scenario would be to trade Wall + pieces for Bosh but if he decides to play with Wade the Jazz would end up with another franchise player (alongside DWill) who couldn't give them championship.

All in all, winning lottery is nice but it doesn't translate to championship even for a good playoff team like the Jazz.

And it seems that they will end up with the pick 6-10 which is also quite good.
I would take:
1 W. Johnson
2 Patterson
3 Aldrich
4 Monroe

darthkiller · Post #15 » by **darthkiller** » Mon Mar 1, 2010 11:02 pm

xavier henry is pretty good

enIIgma_chan · Post #16 » by **enIIgma_chan** » Tue Mar 2, 2010 3:42 am

Getting the #1 pick would be a godsend indeed. ^^ Having Deron and John in the backcourt would be scary for the opponents but truly amazing for us fans.

Marty McFly · Post #17 » by **Marty McFly** » Fri Mar 5, 2010 12:01 am

really **** good.i really like their frontline though i haven't watch them play much lol.i think the inside(boozer) outside(okur) dynamic in the frontcourt works, and if one of those guys was a defensive stopper(boozer or okur) the jazz would be a legit contender for a chip.imo, they're probably a hall of fame type wing away from being legit.if you guys land wall, it would **** hurt, but karma works both ways, (long ago you guys missed out on magic johnson in a horrible deal).wall imo is going to be at his best as a 2 guard, offensively he is going to burn a lot of sg's, defensively he's got the length and speed to compete but he has to get stronger.i really hope you guys come away with something good so maybe then my favorite team's front office will stop dealing picks like std's at paris hilton's house.

williams to the wall would be incredible.

drivewayball · Post #18 » by **drivewayball** » Sat Mar 6, 2010 12:51 pm

What would Deron Williams do if the Jazz got John Wall? He'd turn into Derek Fisher. He'd stand in the corner and watch the offense operate.

No chance the Jazz would draft and keep Wall. No chance the Jazz resign Boozer. No chance the Jazz can trade Okur. And if the Jazz get a pick beyond the top two or three, no chance they get a real impact player.

Sid the Squid · Post #19 » by **Sid the Squid** » Sat Mar 6, 2010 6:21 pm

My Jazz Big Board

1. Cousins
2. Turner
3. Wall
4. Monroe
5. Johnson
6. Aldrich
7. Favors
8. Whiteside

Ming Kong! · Post #20 » by **Ming Kong!** » Sun Mar 7, 2010 7:49 am

drivewayball wrote:What would Deron Williams do if the Jazz got John Wall? He'd turn into Derek Fisher. He'd stand in the corner and watch the offense operate.

No chance the Jazz would draft and keep Wall. No chance the Jazz resign Boozer. No chance the Jazz can trade Okur. And if the Jazz get a pick beyond the top two or three, no chance they get a real impact player.

I wouldn't go that far, there have been plently of drafts in recent years where picks beyond #3 were impact players:

2009: #4 Evans #7 Curry #10 Jennings (to name a few)
2008: #4 Westbrook #5 Love #6 Gallinari #7 Gordon #10 Lopez
2007: #5 Green #9 Noah #15 Stuckey (this draft sucked for the most part outside of OKC)
2006: #6 Roy #8 Gay #21 Rondo
2005: #4 Paul #10 Bynum #17 Granger

I think O'Conner is an excellent GM, though I know many of you would have your doubts due to his "failure" to pull a great trade. I think he's going to get the BPA or a player that will really fit our system great. I just wonder if we're going to get a defensive big or a SG. I guess if we get the #1/2 pick it's going to be Wall/Turner, if not I guess it's between Favors/Cousins/Whiteside. I know Wesley Johnson is considered a SF, but I'm guessing he could just as easily play SG?

EDIT: Just saw Johnson's FG%, too reminiscent of Jennings chucking, don't think I'd want him at #3, screw him lol.