Bargnani vs. Blatche

[OhMyBosh]

Who cares who brought it up.

Blatche is playing out of his mind. Kid is a stud.

[nate33]

Thread got locked, then got unlocked by a Wizards fan after Blatche starting playing well.

Spare me the one-sided revisionist history. Fans from both teams come in and bump this thread when their player is playing well.

The thread was locked in November 2008 at the request of a Toronto fan after Bargnani had a string of good games. I wasn't paying attention at the time. I unlocked the thread exactly one month later when I found out that it was locked. It's true that Bargnani had had a bad stretch of games at the time. Big deal. Why should the thread have been locked in the first place?

The arguing ensued for another couple of months until it died down in early 2009. A Raptors fan bumped this thread two weeks ago after Blatche had taken over the starting role after the Jamison trade.

I think it's funny that sour grapes Raps fans are so upset that the thread got bumped. They can't argue about Blatche versus Bargnani anymore, so they're trying to make me the issue.

[OhMyBosh]

Thread got locked, then got unlocked by a Wizards fan after Blatche starting playing well.

Spare me the one-sided revisionist history. Fans from both teams come in and bump this thread when their player is playing well.

The thread was locked in November 2008 at the request of a Toronto fan after Bargnani had a string of good games. I wasn't paying attention at the time. I unlocked the thread exactly one month later when I found out that it was locked. It's true that Bargnani had had a bad stretch of games at the time. Big deal. Why should the thread have been locked in the first place?

The arguing ensued for another couple of months until it died down in early 2009. A Raptors fan bumped this thread two weeks ago after Blatche had taken over the starting role after the Jamison trade.

I think it's funny that sour grapes Raps fans are so upset that the thread got bumped. They can't argue about Blatche versus Bargnani anymore, so they're trying to make me the issue.

A a moderator, maybe you need to let it go and get back to the topic at hand.

Blatche in these past ~10 games has been more impressive than any stretch that Bargnani has ever put together in his more than one full season as the starting center.

[Kabookalu]

Ummmm no I acknowledge the surge in Blatche's play, you didn't see Raptors fans constantly bumping the thread up when it was clear Bargnani was the better player last year.

[C.Boshly]

As has been the case his entire career Bargnani lets Raptor fans down once again.

Blache > Bargs

[Kabookalu]

Bargnani has been playing like crap since Bosh went out, but I can't for the life of my understand how when our best scorer goes down, our second best scorer is getting LESS shots in his place?

[raps4life~]

Bargnani has been playing like crap since Bosh went out, but I can't for the life of my understand how when our best scorer goes down, our second best scorer is getting LESS shots in his place?

how has he been playing like crap? hes averaging 17 points a game on HORRIBLE usage. nobody gives him the damn ball or sets up any plays for him. he went 6/9 yesterday, shoulda had WAY more shots.

[Kabookalu]

Never really bothered to check the stats, it seems different when you watch him play. Playing like crap wasn't the right word, but underperforming is what I meant to say.

[nate33]

Ummmm no I acknowledge the surge in Blatche's play, you didn't see Raptors fans constantly bumping the thread up when it was clear Bargnani was the better player last year.

It was bumped by a Raptors fan.

Nevermind. I will take OhMyBosh's advice and let it go.

[nate33]

Bargnani has been playing like crap since Bosh went out, but I can't for the life of my understand how when our best scorer goes down, our second best scorer is getting LESS shots in his place?

how has he been playing like crap? hes averaging 17 points a game on HORRIBLE usage. nobody gives him the damn ball or sets up any plays for him. he went 6/9 yesterday, shoulda had WAY more shots.

Curious. Does Bargs post up much when Bosh isn't around? Or is he mostly playing the Okur role and spreading the floor from the 5 spot?

[Kabookalu]

Curious. Does Bargs post up much when Bosh isn't around? Or is he mostly playing the Okur role and spreading the floor from the 5 spot?

He doesn't post up anymore than he usually does with Bosh around but I'd say that he's 60 - 40 perimeter to post game. To be honest I think his post game is more effective than his perimeter game. In the past he would only post up smaller guys, but now he's actually quite effective posting up against bigger guys. Maybe it's just me but his jumpshot doesn't seem as effective as it has in the past as well.

[J.Kim]

Bargnani has been playing like crap since Bosh went out, but I can't for the life of my understand how when our best scorer goes down, our second best scorer is getting LESS shots in his place?

how has he been playing like crap? hes averaging 17 points a game on HORRIBLE usage. nobody gives him the damn ball or sets up any plays for him. he went 6/9 yesterday, shoulda had WAY more shots.

Curious. Does Bargs post up much when Bosh isn't around? Or is he mostly playing the Okur role and spreading the floor from the 5 spot?

Plays his normal game like he would with Bosh around. Except he gets the ball less for some reason. Perhaps we're all underrating Bosh's ability to pass out of the post... Hmm.

[Legendary 33]

two scrubs..who cares

[Legendary 33]

Actually I take that back, Bargnani is actually good, Blatche is a scrub

[nate33]

Plays his normal game like he would with Bosh around. Except he gets the ball less for some reason. Perhaps we're all underrating Bosh's ability to pass out of the post... Hmm.

It'll be interesting to see how Bargnani adapts over time without Bosh. Does he have it in him to be a high-usage player, or is he really only capable of being a high-quality 2nd/3rd option. That's not a criticism, both types of players are needed in this league. Some guys just have a hard time being the guy generating shots as a first option.

Mike Miller is like that on the Wizards. We always scream for him to shoot more, but the truth is, he's probably not all that capable of increasing his shot attempts without a dramatic loss in efficiency.

Likewise, some guys don't work well as a 2nd/3rd option. Caron Butler was like that. He refused to take open shots when the ball gets kicked out to him. He always hesitated and then got forced into making a more difficult shot in a one-on-one scenario.

[nate33]

two scrubs..who cares

Geez. If you're going to troll, at least be a little creative.

[Dr Positivity]

Plays his normal game like he would with Bosh around. Except he gets the ball less for some reason. Perhaps we're all underrating Bosh's ability to pass out of the post... Hmm.

It'll be interesting to see how Bargnani adapts over time without Bosh. Does he have it in him to be a high-usage player, or is he really only capable of being a high-quality 2nd/3rd option. That's not a criticism, both types of players are needed in this league. Some guys just have a hard time being the guy generating shots as a first option.

Mike Miller is like that on the Wizards. We always scream for him to shoot more, but the truth is, he's probably not all that capable of increasing his shot attempts without a dramatic loss in efficiency.

Likewise, some guys don't work well as a 2nd/3rd option. Caron Butler was like that. He refused to take open shots when the ball gets kicked out to him. He always hesitated and then got forced into making a more difficult shot in a one-on-one scenario.

Well right now one issue is our offensive gameplan without Bosh is disorganized and without a pecking order. Last night we had guys like Derozan and Rasho chucking up 10+ shots, we were running the offense through Evans when he was on the floor (that's not a joke), Wright and Weems were handling a lot. If we want to survive offensively without Bosh we're going to need to start running plays through Bargnani - We've haven't been making him come off screens for midrange shots at all since Bosh went down, something he's quite good at.

[Kabookalu]

It'll be interesting to see how Bargnani adapts over time without Bosh. Does he have it in him to be a high-usage player, or is he really only capable of being a high-quality 2nd/3rd option. That's not a criticism, both types of players are needed in this league. Some guys just have a hard time being the guy generating shots as a first option.

Mike Miller is like that on the Wizards. We always scream for him to shoot more, but the truth is, he's probably not all that capable of increasing his shot attempts without a dramatic loss in efficiency.

Likewise, some guys don't work well as a 2nd/3rd option. Caron Butler was like that. He refused to take open shots when the ball gets kicked out to him. He always hesitated and then got forced into making a more difficult shot in a one-on-one scenario.

Well right now one issue is our offensive gameplan without Bosh is disorganized and without a pecking order. Last night we had guys like Derozan and Rasho chucking up 10+ shots, we were running the offense through Evans when he was on the floor (that's not a joke), Wright and Weems were handling a lot. If we want to survive offensively without Bosh we're going to need to start running plays through Bargnani - We've haven't been making him come off screens for midrange shots at all since Bosh went down, something he's quite good at.

I do believe Bargnani is capable of being the first option on offense, his problem is that he's not demanding the ball. He isn't verbally communicating that he wants the ball; flailing his arms around isn't the same thing. Yes his teammates could do a better job of giving it to our now best player on the court, but Bargnani could also do a better job of telegraphing that he is the best player. If I'm the best player on my team and I'm not getting the ball, I'm sure as hell going to be pissed and say something about it. As far as I can tell, Bargnani isn't doing that.

You could say that this just proves he doesn't have the personality to burden the offense, but I'd say the jury is still out on that. I've never seen him so emotionally involved in games as he is this year, though I'm wondering how long it will take him to grow some balls and scream in some ears.

[Legendary 33]

two scrubs..who cares

Geez. If you're going to troll, at least be a little creative.

trolling the pc board? lol. I'm not trolling just stating my opinion

[B-Ball Freak]

Blatche.