Trading our 2010 1st Round Pick

8305 · Post #1 » by **8305** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 3:32 pm

1. What players likely in this draft represent too much potential to trade?
2. How far down in selection order would the Pacers have to fall to make trading the pick a possibility?
3. What deals can you see that would involve the pick?

I guess you have to do the math of question 1 to answer question 2. For me Wall, Turner and Favors are the true team changers in this draft. Cousins is a legit center prospect who could probably command a better return than anyone other than the first three. The other player that I'm intrigued by is Al Aminu. He might be a Ron Artest type defender. A lock down wing defender is pretty unique. So I guess for me if we aren't in the top five I could be pretty open to trade.

There are three guys who I could see being acquirable who fit a remarkable need on this team. Harris and Flynn if either of their respective teams gets the number 1 pick and Darren Collison who is stuck behind Paul in New Orleans. Of the three I like Collison the best. I see him as more of a pure point guard. I also think a pick between 5 and 10 would be pretty attractive to New Orleans. They need guys who can play with Paul more than someone to back him up.

pacersrule08 · Post #2 » by **pacersrule08** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:23 pm

If the pacers traded a top 5 pick it would be stupid unless we get something that we get offered a trade that is unbelievable. And another thing if we get a top 5 pick and draft cole aldrich i would be pissed.

Post #3 » by **PR07** » Mon Mar 1, 2010 3:18 am

I don't see any reason why we'd draft Cole Aldrich, when he's pretty much an NBA center, when we already have Hibbert.

DWCP2 · Post #4 » by **DWCP2** » Mon Mar 1, 2010 5:27 am

The Pacers in reality have a major need at PG, and secondary need at PF. SG could be something the they could pursue if the right player is there, like an Evan Turner, but don't stretch for it.

Teams needing a big could be willing to give up star for our pick and current expirings in order to get that big, like a Ray Allen style trade.

kdawg531 · Post #5 » by **kdawg531** » Mon Mar 1, 2010 6:31 am

DWCP2 wrote:Teams needing a big could be willing to give up star for our pick and current expirings in order to get that big, like a Ray Allen style trade.

I was thinking that if the Nets in fact do get the number one pick and select John Wall, Devin Harris could become expendable. Since they still would not be in a position to win right away, they might be interested in our expirings for the following summer. Perhaps we could ship them a combo of Murphy, Dunleavy or Ford for Harris. Just a thought.

DWCP2 · Post #6 » by **DWCP2** » Mon Mar 1, 2010 12:57 pm

My personal feeling is that Wall goes no. 1, but Turner could fall from no. 2. Reason being is who's ahead of the Pacers. Minnesota has the SG/SF need however there is a solid 12 picks between the no. 2 pick and when they select a second time and they need a true center up front, the top bigs are expected to be gone 3-10 on most mock drafts.

Golden State is also going to be on the hunt for a big.

jowglenn · Post #7 » by **jowglenn** » Mon Mar 1, 2010 2:20 pm

I could certainly see a team willing to trade down.

For example, let's say GS gets the #1 pick. Wall is great, but they've got Curry/Ellis - maybe they trade down to get a guy they really want at 5 or something, along with another good piece, or major cap relief, or both.

I can also see teams trading up. Minnesota for example, if they have the #1 or #2, would take Wall or Turner. Then they've got Charlotte's 1st and Utah's 1st - approximately at 11 and 25 right now. If they see the guy they really really want available at 6 (but couldn't pass on Wall/Turner's amazing potnential) why not trade both those picks plus sweetener? For example, 11, 25, and rights to rubio (especially if they get wall) for the #6?

n_s_s31 · Post #8 » by **n_s_s31** » Mon Mar 1, 2010 5:14 pm

jowglenn wrote:I could certainly see a team willing to trade down.

For example, let's say GS gets the #1 pick. Wall is great, but they've got Curry/Ellis - maybe they trade down to get a guy they really want at 5 or something, along with another good piece, or major cap relief, or both.

I can also see teams trading up. Minnesota for example, if they have the #1 or #2, would take Wall or Turner. Then they've got Charlotte's 1st and Utah's 1st - approximately at 11 and 25 right now. If they see the guy they really really want available at 6 (but couldn't pass on Wall/Turner's amazing potnential) why not trade both those picks plus sweetener? For example, 11, 25, and rights to rubio (especially if they get wall) for the #6?

I could see Golden State making a trade if they got the number 1 pick. I just don't think they would trade the pick because of what Wall is supposed to become. If they got the number 1 pick and we have a top 5-10 maybe we could get Curry and another player from them by trading our pick? I just think that if they were to make a trade after getting the number 1 pick that the trade wouldn't involve the pick mainly because of how good Wall is expected to be in the NBA.

endlessraine · Post #9 » by **endlessraine** » Mon Mar 1, 2010 6:22 pm

n_s_s31 wrote:
jowglenn wrote:I could certainly see a team willing to trade down.

For example, let's say GS gets the #1 pick. Wall is great, but they've got Curry/Ellis - maybe they trade down to get a guy they really want at 5 or something, along with another good piece, or major cap relief, or both.

I can also see teams trading up. Minnesota for example, if they have the #1 or #2, would take Wall or Turner. Then they've got Charlotte's 1st and Utah's 1st - approximately at 11 and 25 right now. If they see the guy they really really want available at 6 (but couldn't pass on Wall/Turner's amazing potnential) why not trade both those picks plus sweetener? For example, 11, 25, and rights to rubio (especially if they get wall) for the #6?

I could see Golden State making a trade if they got the number 1 pick. I just don't think they would trade the pick because of what Wall is supposed to become. If they got the number 1 pick and we have a top 5-10 maybe we could get Curry and another player from them by trading our pick? I just think that if they were to make a trade after getting the number 1 pick that the trade wouldn't involve the pick mainly because of how good Wall is expected to be in the NBA.

We would most likely trade away Ellis if we got the #1 pick. Heck, we would most likely trade Ellis away this off season regardless. Curry is the Warrior's future and if Ellis is not working out with Curry, Ellis will be gone.

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #10 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Tue Mar 2, 2010 12:58 am

If we didn't make the top 3 I would trade our pick for Lawson, Collison, Holiday, ect. + pieces. Outside of Wall, Turner, Favors, and MAYBE Cousin - theres no one worth looking over our need for PG for. We need a PG in the worst way and if we cvan trade our pick to get a good young PG with something else, I'm all for it.

Post #11 » by **PR07** » Tue Mar 2, 2010 1:21 am

Interesting thought on Devin Harris. Maybe we can send our pick to Minnesota for the rights to Ricky Rubio.

DWCP2 · Post #12 » by **DWCP2** » Tue Mar 2, 2010 2:00 am

PR07 wrote:Interesting thought on Devin Harris. Maybe we can send our pick to Minnesota for the rights to Ricky Rubio.

Kahn has already made it clear he expects Rubio in a Wolves uniform in 2011.

My hope is that like Rubio that Wall or Evans, more then likely Evans, falls from the top two spots down to at least 4 or 5 and the Pacers can nab him up easily.

My fears to not obtaining Wall nor Evans lie in if Minnesota or Washington get picks ahead of the Pacers, spec. Minnesota.

Like I said above this, Minnesota has picks at #2, #13, and #23. #13 would be too late for them to snatch a top big in this draft, and they have been trying to acquire a veteran SF for months.

Golden State simply needs size esp. going away from Nelson's small system, so you can be rest assured that they'll get a good look at bigs in this draft.

Post #13 » by **Miller4ever** » Tue Mar 2, 2010 2:04 am

When was the last time a a top-5 pick was traded?

Boneman2 · Post #14 » by **Boneman2** » Tue Mar 2, 2010 3:14 am

PR07 wrote:I don't see any reason why we'd draft Cole Aldrich, when he's pretty much an NBA center, when we already have Hibbert.

Very good point. I thought about that today after I saw DraftExpress projected Cole to Indy.

Cousins is a cornerstone-type power forward, with the ability to play center. Definitely a consideration if he slips to us.

Favors is starting to grow on me too.

DWCP2 · Post #15 » by **DWCP2** » Tue Mar 2, 2010 3:45 am

Miller4ever wrote:When was the last time a a top-5 pick was traded?

Uh last year! The no.5 pick Washington traded away and became Rubio!

Post #16 » by **Miller4ever** » Tue Mar 2, 2010 2:09 pm

^^Yeah, so let's not trade our 1st rounder for anything short of an all-star talent.

Post #17 » by **PR07** » Tue Mar 2, 2010 7:44 pm

Ideally, I think next to Hibbert, you want a guy that is mobile, athletic, and can rebound...which are weaknesses of Hibbert.

-Favors seems like a great fit. He's athletic and can run the floor, and has a nice foundation of an inside-outside game.

-The thing I worry about Cousins is if he's athletic and quick enough, among his motor too. A frontcourt of Roy and him might be too slow and unathletic.

-Monroe would be a solid pickup. Excellent passer, mobile, and can rebound pretty well. I don't think he's a Top 5 pick though.

-Has anyone seen anything on Hassan Whiteside? He might be too big of a project for Larry, but he has the tools to be a defensive monster it looks like, and that might not be a bad guy to pair next to Roy.

DWCP2 · Post #18 » by **DWCP2** » Tue Mar 2, 2010 10:28 pm

Hassan Whiteside is a triple 10 guys as far as points rebounds and blocks. Only downside to his game is that he has little to no offense shot in his arsenal. The comparisons to Marcus Camby are about right on him.

I wouldn't mind the project though, talent alone he's a definate top 10 if not 7 or 8. But in reality he should stay in college. As a freshman now, he's a Marcus Camby, but if he decides to stay and work on his game by his junior or senior year of college he'll get the Tim Duncan/Dwight Howard comparisons.

He's got a more polished game on offense then Thabeet who was taken top 3 last year though.

Post #19 » by **Miller4ever** » Tue Mar 2, 2010 10:49 pm

DWCP2 wrote:if he decides to stay and work on his game by his junior or senior year of college he'll get the Tim Duncan/Dwight Howard comparisons.

Dude, Whiteside and Dwight have about the same amount of offensive game right now. Dwight just has more athleticism. Tim Duncan is so much more polished than either of them. Hell, Camby has a jumper, which is more than you can say for Dwight.

Post #20 » by **Grang33r** » Fri Mar 5, 2010 8:42 pm

DGrangeRx33 wrote:If we didn't make the top 3 I would trade our pick for Lawson, Collison, Holiday, ect. + pieces. Outside of Wall, Turner, Favors, and MAYBE Cousin - theres no one worth looking over our need for PG for. We need a PG in the worst way and if we cvan trade our pick to get a good young PG with something else, I'm all for it.

Man, the things I would do to go back in time and draft either Lawson or Holiday instead of Hansbrough.