Andray Blatche - Resurgence Thread ( Merged )

[ErikChowbay023]

WOW...

[pancakes3]

Don't hold your breaths for a Haywood homecoming. He might be a pennypincher, but he knows that playing in Dallas is probably his best bet for a championship and vice versa. Look for Dallas to trade Butler in the off-season to clear up cap room to resign Haywood. We either draft our C, or it's going to be McGee for next season.

I mean, as long as we're talking about longshot FA signings, I hope that Gil is waived and we can sign Bosh to a max contract while either drafting wall, or flipping a lotto pick for Rubio.

[Silvie Lysandra]

Is it?

That team is playing in the West, and it could fall off FAST.

Terry's old. Dirk's old. Marion's old. Kidd is REAL old. They have Beaubois as a young talent, but beyond that, not much. And they will have go get through LA, Utah, Denver, a healthy Portland, Memphis, maybe a retooled New Orleans, and that's assuming teams like Sacramento and the Clips don't emerge with their young talent.

Haywood/Blatche/Turner is a championship-caliber frontline by year 2. And we'll still have the cash to shell out for a guy like Wade. The way Blatche is playing, if we landed Haywood and Turner, we're suddenly a VERY desirable FA destination.

One can dream...

[JWizmentality]

Don't hold your breaths for a Haywood homecoming. He might be a pennypincher, but he knows that playing in Dallas is probably his best bet for a championship and vice versa. Look for Dallas to trade Butler in the off-season to clear up cap room to resign Haywood. We either draft our C, or it's going to be McGee for next season.

I mean, as long as we're talking about longshot FA signings, I hope that Gil is waived and we can sign Bosh to a max contract while either drafting wall, or flipping a lotto pick for Rubio.

Do we really need to be throwing Max money at Bosh at this point. That's not how you rebuild. See Portland. I'm tired of overpaid superstars. We need to build a no name Championship Detroit Pistons team.

[yungal07]

Don't hold your breaths for a Haywood homecoming. He might be a pennypincher, but he knows that playing in Dallas is probably his best bet for a championship and vice versa. Look for Dallas to trade Butler in the off-season to clear up cap room to resign Haywood. We either draft our C, or it's going to be McGee for next season.

I mean, as long as we're talking about longshot FA signings, I hope that Gil is waived and we can sign Bosh to a max contract while either drafting wall, or flipping a lotto pick for Rubio.

Do we really need to be throwing Max money at Bosh at this point. That's not how you rebuild. See Portland. I'm tired of overpaid superstars. We need to build a no name Championship Detroit Pistons team.

Overpaid superstars win championships, so I'm not sure where you're going with this one...

[nate33]

I don't want Bosh at $17M when we already have Blatche at $3M. Bosh may be a bit better than Blatche, but not $14M better. We need to spend our cap dollars elsewhere.

[DaRealHibachi]

God I hate to muddy up a good Dray thread with talk of GI Agent Brown.. I can only hope that soon enough people will realize what they are asking for. Even if GI comes back as everything we really need from him, he won't be worth the money.

But we have a thread for that I believe.

FWIW, I still think Gil is the closest thing to a elite scorer this team will see anytime soon... Unless you want Blatche to be that guy and us not going further than a 1st round exit... We need Gil (or some other elite scorer) if we want to go deep into the playoffs...

Read your sig

You're right, the next time I put something in my sig that is so crazy that I'd be surprised if someone actually took it serious, where also putting it in a green font would actually be painstakingly redundant and time consuming... I'll pm you to personally tell you that whatever I have in my sig is not to be taken seriously... at all...

/end Dr. Cox rant

Unless you actually think we'd go deep in the playoffs with Dray is our #1 option...?

[TheSecretWeapon]

Okay, I posted Blatche's per 40 minute comps yesterday. His per game numbers over the past 7 games would put him in some NICE company if he can sustain it. Here's the complete list of NBA players who averaged at least 26 points, 11 rebounds and 3 assists for a season:

1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (8 seasons)
2. Charles Barkley (1)
3. Elgin Baylor (7)
4. Wilt Chamberlain (5)
5. Billy Cunningham (1)
6. Julius Erving (3)
7. Patrick Ewing (1)
8. Connie Hawkins (2)
9. Karl Malone (2)
10. Bob McAdoo (2)
11. George McInnis (1)
12. Shaquille O'Neal (4)
13. Hakeem Olajuwon (2)
14. Bob Pettit (6)
15. Oscar Robertson (1)
16. Chris Webber (1)

[MF23]

JC! Dr. J averaged that many rebounds. Did he play sf for the Sixers or sg? Big O is amazing. Those numbers for a guard are crazy.

[pancakes3]

i'm pretty sure dr. j's numbers are ABA numbers. Webber is an intriguing comparison.

[TheSecretWeapon]

JC! Dr. J averaged that many rebounds. Did he play sf for the Sixers or sg? Big O is amazing. Those numbers for a guard are crazy.

Doc averaged 15.7 rebounds per game his rookie season with the Virginia Squires. He was a double-digit rebounder for the 5-season ABA portion of his career. His rebounding dipped a bit when he came to the NBA.

One thing to keep in mind with Oscar Robertson's rebounding numbers is how different the game was back then. Lots more shots, lots more missing, meaning lots more rebounding opportunities. That said, Oscar was was one of the best rebounding guard ever. The year he averaged 12.5 boards per game, the #2 rebounding guard was Tom Gola at 9.8. And Gola was more of a G-F.

Using rebounds per game, Oscar has 4 of the top 10 rebounding seasons for a guard. Gola has 3. The others -- Billy Knight, Warren Jabali and Magic Johnson.

Of course, Oscar also played a TON of minutes. If we look at per minute rebounding, Oscar had one season in the top 20 for per minute rebounds. His best rebounding season (61-62) ranks 6th all-time in per minute rebounds for a guard.

[dobrojim]

one thing that has struck me has been the accuracy of his outside shot
and his FT shooting. He has simply been all wet in both regards.

his post game is nice with the array of up/under, fadeaways and
reverse layups, but the outside shot is something that you have
to wonder how well it will last.

I would compare how he's played during this stretch to
both Amare and KG. That said, that list of players who
have played this well over a season is unbelievable.
Wilt and Kareem are both top five all-time. Baylor top ten.
So this would be unbelievably fortuitous if it were to continue
for a longer period of time.

[Ruzious]

Okay, I posted Blatche's per 40 minute comps yesterday. His per game numbers over the past 7 games would put him in some NICE company if he can sustain it. Here's the complete list of NBA players who averaged at least 26 points, 11 rebounds and 3 assists for a season:

1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (8 seasons)
2. Charles Barkley (1)
3. Elgin Baylor (7)
4. Wilt Chamberlain (5)
5. Billy Cunningham (1)
6. Julius Erving (3)
7. Patrick Ewing (1)
8. Connie Hawkins (2)
9. Karl Malone (2)
10. Bob McAdoo (2)
11. George McInnis (1)
12. Shaquille O'Neal (4)
13. Hakeem Olajuwon (2)
14. Bob Pettit (6)
15. Oscar Robertson (1)
16. Chris Webber (1)

I guess if there's 1 player on the list that I'd compare him to - it'd be the last one - Webber - somewhere around the middle of his career - when his knees had taken some of his quix and hopz away, but he could still go. AB's a little taller; CWeb more athuhletical.

[dobrojim]

JC! Dr. J averaged that many rebounds. Did he play sf for the Sixers or sg? Big O is amazing. Those numbers for a guard are crazy.

Doc averaged 15.7 rebounds per game his rookie season with the Virginia Squires. He was a double-digit rebounder for the 5-season ABA portion of his career. His rebounding dipped a bit when he came to the NBA.

One thing to keep in mind with Oscar Robertson's rebounding numbers is how different the game was back then. Lots more shots, lots more missing, meaning lots more rebounding opportunities. That said, Oscar was was one of the best rebounding guard ever. The year he averaged 12.5 boards per game, the #2 rebounding guard was Tom Gola at 9.8. And Gola was more of a G-F.

Using rebounds per game, Oscar has 4 of the top 10 rebounding seasons for a guard. Gola has 3. The others -- Billy Knight, Warren Jabali and Magic Johnson.

How close did Darrell Walker get to this? His peak year with the Wiz
he was getting over 8 (in the 'modern era') IIRC.

thread detour - the trivia question on TV (NJ game), who won the MVP in
both NBA/ABA I was thinking was going to be Moses. I had forgotten Doc won
the award (IN NBA). I really don't remember Doc's ABA days and would say that
in the NBA, I'm not sure he lived up to the hype that it seems (partly from the
numbers in this thread) that he created/earned in the ABA. Not that he was a
slouch by any means. I never realized he put up those kind of rebounding numbers.

[TheSecretWeapon]

Darrell Walker peaked at 8.8 rebounds per game for the Bullets. That tied him (with Jerry Sloan) for the 19th all-time on the rebounding per game list for guards (among those who qualified for the rebounding title). His per minute rebounding that season ranks 21st all-time among guards.

Walker has the 3rd best single-season rebounding percentage among guards, behind Magic Johnson and Fat Lever. Of course, rebounding percentage doesn't include guys like Oscar (except at the end of his career) because the league didn't collect enough stats to calculate it.

[dobrojim]

Darrell Walker peaked at 8.8 rebounds per game for the Bullets. That tied him (with Jerry Sloan) for the 19th all-time on the rebounding per game list for guards (among those who qualified for the rebounding title). His per minute rebounding that season ranks 21st all-time among guards.

Walker has the 3rd best single-season rebounding percentage among guards, behind Magic Johnson and Fat Lever. Of course, rebounding percentage doesn't include guys like Oscar (except at the end of his career) because the league didn't collect enough stats to calculate it.

thanks - I do remember he was unbelievable getting boards that one
year. Downside was that we probably didn't get as many fastbreak points
with our PG grabbing so many boards instead of waiting for our big men to
do their job and outlet him the ball.

[queridiculo]

Do we really need to be throwing Max money at Bosh at this point. That's not how you rebuild. See Portland. I'm tired of overpaid superstars. We need to build a no name Championship Detroit Pistons team.

Those no names had a bunch of players with near max contracts, and what exactly has Portland done lately? Everybody likes to talk about the talent level of the Blazers, but the only thing I can say about them of note is that they passed on the most gifted player in the draft in favor of Oden.

We need a center, and we'll either have to find him in FA or through the draft.

[Donkey McDonkerton]

[montestewart]

^ Re Walker rebounding and fast breaks.
My recollection was that the front line was so undersized with Jones and Grant and such that Walker getting rebounds at got possessions that frequently would have gone the other way. I also recall a fairly deliberate offense, but I just checked the pace factors, and they weren't as low as I would have expected.

[Jaykoolzboy]

Lol at all the homers, dun get me wrong Blatche going to be a good player in the league for a long time, but now u guys compare him to CWebb? Shaq? KAJ? Olajuwon? I know it's hard for you Wiz fan this year, but please dun jinx Andray yet or he is going to be another Gilbert.