NBA/ABA Decades League Discussion Thread

BlackIce · Post #221 » by **BlackIce** » Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:50 am

I've got TMac in this game and Cellar in the other, doing both writeups now. Won't be done for a while (...days...I'm lazy). Egh.

Post #222 » by **CellarDoor** » Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:55 am

BlackIce wrote:I've got TMac in this game and Cellar in the other, doing both writeups now. Won't be done for a while (...days...I'm lazy). Egh.

Hakeem, Barry Paul and Lebron, Deron, Boozer...

Not fun

bastillon · Post #223 » by **bastillon** » Wed Feb 24, 2010 4:38 pm

wow, now that I've read AITN's write-up (great writeup btw), as I'm seeing how he exposed SamBone's line-up, I now understand being a rookie in this competition. I thought I'd win this first round quite easily so I didn't emphasize most of my advantages. also how could I not check the years for SB's players ? rookie mistake and all, but that'd change the entire matchup. MJ '96 is doing absolutely no damage against Pippen. vast majority of his points came from post-up area where Pippen has significant advantage with his size as he has like ~3-4 inches on MJ. also while Parish was maybe athletic in the late 70s, he didn't have that great J to worry about. he could shoot, don't get my wrong, but he wasn't great at it. anyway, great points AITN...

my rookie lesson - picking years is extremely important :wink:

can't wait to see the rebuttals!

bastillon · Post #224 » by **bastillon** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:18 am

hey, I think since they are all so busy right now, why don't we move the deadline to like Saturday or Sunday. I mean, you know, let's give them some time, it's a game after all and the fun part is reading these writeups. I don't know what you guys think but I feel like we shouldn't rush them.

SabasRevenge! · Post #225 » by **SabasRevenge!** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:12 am

A Friday midnight or Saturday morning deadline would work for me for my rebuttal.

SamBone · Post #226 » by **SamBone** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:42 pm

bastillon wrote:wow, now that I've read AITN's write-up (great writeup btw), as I'm seeing how he exposed SamBone's line-up, I now understand being a rookie in this competition. I thought I'd win this first round quite easily so I didn't emphasize most of my advantages. also how could I not check the years for SB's players ? rookie mistake and all, but that'd change the entire matchup. MJ '96 is doing absolutely no damage against Pippen. vast majority of his points came from post-up area where Pippen has significant advantage with his size as he has like ~3-4 inches on MJ. also while Parish was maybe athletic in the late 70s, he didn't have that great J to worry about. he could shoot, don't get my wrong, but he wasn't great at it. anyway, great points AITN...

my rookie lesson - picking years is extremely important

can't wait to see the rebuttals!

dude keep your comments for your vote. do not come on an talk about other matchups untill you vote!

maybe I should have talked about the season you picked for Pippen when he could not win without MJ and this happened

However, perhaps the most infamous episode of Pippen's career came in the post-season of Pippen's first year without Jordan. In the 1994 NBA Playoffs, the Eastern Conference semifinals pitted the Bulls against the New York Knicks, whom the Bulls had dispatched en route to a championship in each of the previous three seasons. On May 13, 1994, down 2–0 in the series and tied 102-102 in Game Three, Bulls coach Phil Jackson needed a big play from his team to have any chance of going on to the conference finals. With 1.8 seconds left and the score tied, Jackson designed the last play for rookie Toni Kukoc, with Pippen charged with inbounding the basketball. Pippen, who had been the Bulls' leader all season long in Jordan's absence, was so angered by Jackson's decision to not let him take the potential game-winner that he refused to leave the bench and re-enter the game when the timeout was over.

Although Kukoc did hit the game-winner, a 23-foot fadeaway jumper at the buzzer, there was little celebrating to be done by the Bulls, as television cameras caught an unsmiling Phil Jackson storming off the court. "Scottie asked out of the play," Jackson would tell reporters moments later in the post-game interview room. Those seeking further answers found Pippen in the locker room after the game, looking shell-shocked and disoriented; when asked to confirm Jackson's statement, Pippen could only respond with "Yeah, pretty much ... We exchanged words, and I just took a seat."

Pippen was great but thinking MJ would be "doing absolutely no damage against Pippen" is comical. 1996 MJ was so bad that he was NBA MVP, Finals MVP, All Star MVP, 1st team All NBA, 1st team All Defensive, Scoring Champ, led NBA in Win Shares and Offensive Win shares!
And you think a guy that never won a DPOY award (unlike Mike) could shut that guy down?

Myth_Breaker · Post #227 » by **Myth_Breaker** » Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:30 am

I'll do mine on Saturday, so if you could wait until end of this day, it would be great.

SabasRevenge! · Post #228 » by **SabasRevenge!** » Sat Feb 27, 2010 9:31 pm

Lets get this party started.

bastillon · Post #229 » by **bastillon** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 1:13 am

Black Ice I'm waiting for your rebuttal bc Tmac talked about some interesting points and I'm curious what your sollution is. I think I'll put tomorrow the rest of the writeups.

SabasRevenge! · Post #230 » by **SabasRevenge!** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 1:36 am

CellarDoor wrote:Not going to bother combating Sabas' points more because frankly he's already pushing the limits of how much I as a judge would want to read and I don't want to add to it and B at this point it becomes about whether what he says and what I say passes the smell test. Judges do as you will.

Come on man. That's not necessary. I happen to enjoy the writing and research process. I posted a single write up, a rebuttal, and a summary following my rebuttal. You posted a write up and a rebuttal as well.

Nobody has to read the entire thing, but some people (such as myself, I read every word of people's write ups) might enjoy it. This should be fun and it's not fun to check the thread and see a comment like that. Besides, you've already got a 1-0 lead on a gushingly complimentary judgment (Carter abuses James, Hawk is better than Unseld/Hayes, etc).

SabasRevenge! · Post #231 » by **SabasRevenge!** » Mon Mar 1, 2010 10:17 pm

Good to see Dr. Mufasa and ronnymac judging! Great to read some outside opinions, hopefully we'll get a few more!

Post #232 » by **CellarDoor** » Tue Mar 2, 2010 1:40 am

SabasRevenge! wrote:
CellarDoor wrote:Not going to bother combating Sabas' points more because frankly he's already pushing the limits of how much I as a judge would want to read and I don't want to add to it and B at this point it becomes about whether what he says and what I say passes the smell test. Judges do as you will.

Come on man. That's not necessary. I happen to enjoy the writing and research process. I posted a single write up, a rebuttal, and a summary following my rebuttal. You posted a write up and a rebuttal as well.

Nobody has to read the entire thing, but some people (such as myself, I read every word of people's write ups) might enjoy it. This should be fun and it's not fun to check the thread and see a comment like that. Besides, you've already got a 1-0 lead on a gushingly complimentary judgment (Carter abuses James, Hawk is better than Unseld/Hayes, etc).

There's nothing wrong with enjoying writing and research. It's just that my write-up (which I purposefully trimmed down after comments about length either directed at me in the past or others this round) plus my rebuttal were 800 words or so shorter than your write-up alone. Not mentioning your two rebuttals. It wasn't meant as a shot, just an explanation as to why I wouldn't be combating points any longer. Combined our write-ups and such alone are over 7,000 words...likely over 8.

bastillon · Post #233 » by **bastillon** » Wed Mar 3, 2010 5:17 pm

how about a saturday deadline ? it should be fine IMO and it's better to determine it, bc it gives players motivation to put up writeups faster

Post #234 » by **CellarDoor** » Wed Mar 3, 2010 5:35 pm

bastillon wrote:how about a saturday deadline ? it should be fine IMO and it's better to determine it, bc it gives players motivation to put up writeups faster

I know TMAC said he was particularly swamped, so I'm not sure what works for him. If I can't get to it today, I should be able to get to it friday night/saturday morning.

Post #235 » by **TMACFORMVP** » Fri Mar 5, 2010 7:20 am

I'll get it in by tomorrow night. Good luck Cellar, should be a good one.

SabasRevenge! · Post #236 » by **SabasRevenge!** » Sun Mar 7, 2010 1:50 am

This decades thing was really fun. Good idea, AITN!

I'm up for another ATL soon.

Dr Positivity · Post #237 » by **Dr Positivity** » Tue Mar 9, 2010 12:55 am

Tbh I think all 4 of the semifinalists have flawed teams. I think Black Magic's West/Garnett/Mutumbo team was the best in the tournament

Miller is my pick of the 4 though

bastillon · Post #238 » by **bastillon** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:08 am

I think my team was the best and I guess every GM must think the same (pick their team, not mine

). I regret not emphasizing rebounding so much. I had insane rebounding team. Magic/Sloan/Pippen/Cowens/Dwight with good rebs off the bench is sick. also Dwight would be a beast alongside top passing guys at their positions.

next time we play an ATL, judges have to be determined early. it was just awful to wait all that time.

Post #239 » by **Snakebites** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:43 am

bastillon wrote:I think my team was the best and I guess every GM must think the same (pick their team, not mine ). I regret not emphasizing rebounding so much. I had insane rebounding team. Magic/Sloan/Pippen/Cowens/Dwight with good rebs off the bench is sick. also Dwight would be a beast alongside top passing guys at their positions.

next time we play an ATL, judges have to be determined early. it was just awful to wait all that time.

Its the nature of the beast. We've tried all sorts of different judges and judging systems. After the draft its always slow going.

Thats why its important for the draft to run quickly and smoothly, which luckily this one did.

bastillon · Post #240 » by **bastillon** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:49 pm

Its the nature of the beast. We've tried all sorts of different judges and judging systems. After the draft its always slow going.

you know what would be fun ? if all GMs were doing writeups about randomly chosen other (by comissioner) team (but not the opponent). not to praise the construction of that team, but the opposite - to focus on the negatives, disadvantages. it would give us a lot better perception on how to perceive the opponents/other teams and it would make judges' work a lot easier as well.

example:
in the first round I would be chosen to do a writeup about (for example) MythBreaker's team to point how flaws. Warspite would write about (for example) Sabas.

how to judge ? I think GMs should be judges and outside officials should be allowed as well. I'm sure this would go a lot faster that way in the 1st round but whatever. obviously GMs wouldn't judge their own matchups as it seems quite obvious who would they pick... still, I think overall it's the best system.