Cromartie?

Liqourish · Post #21 » by **Liqourish** » Tue Mar 2, 2010 5:08 pm

Morris played okay for us last year, but I don't think he should be a deal breaker in this instance. At least IMO.

Piston Pete · Post #22 » by **Piston Pete** » Tue Mar 2, 2010 5:11 pm

Agreed...

Make the deal, and draft a RB in round 2/3/4...or at least sign another cheap FA

Post #23 » by **Icness** » Tue Mar 2, 2010 6:16 pm

Liqourish wrote:According to someone in the Lions org talks died when the Chargers insisted that Maurice Morris be included with the draft pick. Lions said pick only or no deal, Chargers wanted Morris + pick. Deal off the table.

That's exactly what I heard last night from Indy. Good move passing on Cromartie. He's one of those guys that seems nice now but come November we'd all be killing Mayhew for bringing him in. Let someone else learn the hard way...

Piston Pete · Post #24 » by **Piston Pete** » Tue Mar 2, 2010 6:41 pm

Interesting....you think adding Morris should deter the Lions from picking up 25 year old Cromartie? I just don't see it other than Cro's off-the-field issues....

Post #25 » by **ajaX82** » Tue Mar 2, 2010 6:43 pm

Piston Pete wrote:Interesting....you think adding Morris should deter the Lions from picking up 25 year old Cromartie? I just don't see it other than Cro's off-the-field issues....

Well think about it another way...if the Chargers are willing to give up this guy for a 5th rounder and a second string RB, you know that he has some issues.

The Lions are willing to take on alot of crappy players, but passing on Cromartie means he probably comes with way too much baggage

Piston Pete · Post #26 » by **Piston Pete** » Tue Mar 2, 2010 7:07 pm

Randy Moss had a lot of baggage too, and was had for a mere 4th rounder. I think the Pats are happy they made that deal....

I'd just hate to turn away talent when we need it just about everywhere.

Piston Pete · Post #27 » by **Piston Pete** » Thu Mar 4, 2010 8:04 pm

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/20 ... s_and.html

Tom K talks about how teams (Lions) will be more active in the trade market this offseason and why the Cromartie deal might have fallen apart....

Piston Pete · Post #28 » by **Piston Pete** » Fri Mar 5, 2010 4:32 am

UPDATE:

Cromartie has reportedly been traded to the Jets for a 2011 3rd rounder. Appearantly, there's some stipulation/factor that could turn it into a 2nd rounder.....

Post #29 » by **ajaX82** » Fri Mar 5, 2010 5:14 am

jesus i wouldnt give up that high a pick for him.

whatever though. screw em

Post #30 » by **Icness** » Fri Mar 5, 2010 5:15 am

SD wanted to get rid of him because of how awful he was in their playoff game against the Jets. Oh the irony... :lol:

Liqourish · Post #31 » by **Liqourish** » Fri Mar 5, 2010 3:01 pm

Jets just got a good young CB to add to their top rated defense.... but we passed on him because of Maurice Morris. What a joke.

Bartender · Post #32 » by **Bartender** » Fri Mar 5, 2010 3:05 pm

You don't know exactly what the deal was in place. Jets paid a lot for him. I would never give up that high of a draft pick for a guy that hasn't been good in 3 years.

Liqourish · Post #33 » by **Liqourish** » Fri Mar 5, 2010 3:07 pm

Our deal was our second 5th round pick (#148) this year. Chargers wanted Morris added in, Lions said no. Chargers then got a better deal for him after guys around here said he'd be waived otherwise. Hmmmm.

Bartender · Post #34 » by **Bartender** » Fri Mar 5, 2010 3:33 pm

Did the Chargers call and tell you this?

All I'm saying is that you don't know the exact details. All we heard was buzz and who knows if the details are exact or not. Jets gave up a 3rd for him. NO WAY IN HELL am I giving a 3rd round worth for Cro.... which was obviously what they were asking for.

Liqourish · Post #35 » by **Liqourish** » Fri Mar 5, 2010 4:01 pm

It's not what they were asking for. Details were out by Lions insiders.... it's was our second 5th rounder. My god, the details were everywhere. Lions agreed to the 5th, Chargers than wanted Morris, Lions said no... Chargers said fine, we'll send him somewhere else. And they did.

Bartender · Post #36 » by **Bartender** » Fri Mar 5, 2010 5:01 pm

Liqourish wrote:It's not what they were asking for. Details were out by Lions insiders.... it's was our second 5th rounder. My god, the details were everywhere. Lions agreed to the 5th, Chargers than wanted Morris, Lions said no... Chargers said fine, we'll send him somewhere else. And they did.

Well regardless, a 5th and Maurice Morris is equivalent to a 3rd rounder and I'm not paying that much for him. Morris was a solid role player this year and Cro is a younger version of Buchanon. He obviously does not fit the bill in our defense.

Liqourish · Post #37 » by **Liqourish** » Fri Mar 5, 2010 5:09 pm

Well it doesn't matter now. We didn't get him.

We still now need at least 3 CBs and a RB. Hopefully the Lions keep making moves.

TSE · Post #38 » by **TSE** » Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:23 pm

I'd rather have the Cromartie deal than the DT deal or the DE deal or the WR deal we just made. Maybe we have a convenient equivalent that suits the Jets better than Cromartie does. We need Cromartie more than them (assuming we are legit players in the league and not going to be a joke again), let's work something out!...

I'd take either the Boldin trade or the Cromartie trade before the other 3 moves we made. Those 2 are MUCH MUCH better. I drool over those now that they are lost now that I see how this is playing out. It's playing out EXACTLY as I predicted and feared it would at the beginning of last year when I knew we were going into that year all **** up and that we would need a desperate shift in strategy to get back on track for this FUTURE year which is now a present year, and we aren't making the shift. This is such a crime because now is the year that the cap is removed and you can do trades and finagling to reshape your next decade or two or three from this early position. Mayhew doesn't operate in the best interests of the team or the franchise. I don't know what he's operating under. Whether his intentions are good or not it does not matter to me, he's not doing the RIGHT THING and that is the bottom line and that is a shame. We are competing with the Tigers and the Pistons for the title of the team with the biggest derailment of Detroit sports.

EDIT after Boldin trade

Piston Pete · Post #39 » by **Piston Pete** » Sat Mar 6, 2010 4:06 am

Still kinda wish we made the Cro deal.

Are we going to get a better CB than Cromartie in the draft? And trading a future 3rd rounder is like trading a current 4th or 5th rounder......Bartender, wasn't it you who said a 5th rounder this season would be the equivalent to a 3rd in other year's drafts?

Any way we move down with the Seahawks for their two 1st rounders and take Okung/Berry and Iutupi? Berry could be a starting CB for us....

Bartender · Post #40 » by **Bartender** » Sat Mar 6, 2010 6:03 am

Why draft Berry to make him a CB? That is taking away from what he's truly great from.... and that's being a safety. If you wanna draft Berry to make him a CB, you might as well just draft Haden.

And yes, there are 3 or 4 CB's in this draft that are easily better then Cromartie. Maybe even more and I wouldn't doubt it. This guy is off the radar now, guys. When Lions first started pursuing him Icness told me on facebook that he wouldn't even give up a 5th for this guy and it confused me cuz I was high on the guy just cuz of the hype.... but then I started reading up on him and talking to SD fans about him and he's truly mediocre. He's a 25 year old Phillip Buchanon. I'd rather just draft 2 CB's then have him and draft one. More upside and lower price.