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McShay's First Mock Draft 

Post#1 » by ReasonablySober » Thu Dec 6, 2007 10:51 pm

1 - Miami - Glenn Dorsey
2 - New England - Darren McFadden
3 - NY Jets - James Laurinaitis
4 - Atlanta - Brian Brohm
5 - St. Louis - Jake Long
6 - Cinci - Sedrick Ellis
7 - Oakland - Chris Long
8 - KC - Ryan Clady
9 - Baltimore - Matt Ryan
10 - New Orleans - Keith Rivers
11 - Houston - Malcolm Jenkins
12 - Denver - Kenny Phillips
13 - Carolina - Andre Woodson
14 - Chicago - Mike Jenkins
15 - Philly - DeSean Jackson
16 - Washington - Derrick Harvey
17 - Arizona - Sam Baker
18 - Buffalo - Ali Highsmith
19 - Minnesota - Calais Campbell
20 - Detroit - Jeff Otah
21 - Dallas - Limas Sweed
22 - Tennessee - Malcolm Kelly
23 - San Diego - Rey Maualuga
24 - Seattle - Jonathan Stewart
25 - Tampa Bay - Aqib Talib
26 - NY Giants - Dan Connor
27 - Jacksonville - Vernon Gholston
28 - Pittsburgh - Michael Oher

29. Green Bay Packers
Current record: 10-2
Scouts Inc.'s three biggest needs: RB, S, OL
Projected pick: Felix Jones*, RB, Arkansas
Ryan Grant has been a nice story this season but the Packers can't count on him as its premier back moving forward. The verdict is still out on rookie Brandon Jackson, who has failed to meet expectations so far. A proven veteran would be ideal but Jones has proven capable of contributing as a complementary weapon. He brings world-class speed to the table as a runner, receiver and return specialist.

30 - San Francisco - Early Doucet
31 - Dallas - Gosder Cherlius
32 - NE - Forfeit pick


Most mocks this early end up being terribly off, so to criticize the picks and call him nuts would be stupid. However, twenty of McShay's first round picks in his initial mock ended up going round one and three never declared. I think TM knows his stuff for the most part.

OK, now to pick it apart a bit...

He seems to be valuing need over BPA it seems. Chris Long falls about five spots too far. Same with Derrick Harvey, Calais Campbell, Vernon Gholston...hell, I think he's got all of the DE's lower than they'll probably end up.

I'm glad to see he's got Maualuga in round one. He's been one of my favorite defenders in college football the last few years.

If NE got McFadden and kept him I'd go into a massive depression.

I think Dorsey's a stud, but I just couldn't see spending the #1 overall on a DT. However, I don't know where else you go. It's a pretty weak group at the top this year. I think Long is as good a DL prospect as we've seen in years. But I'd still deal 15 spots down and take someone like Harvey, Campbell, Gholston...whoever falls. Even if you need a RB you're probably wondering whether or not you want to pay $50 million to play a position where undrafted free agents are putting up 1300-1500 yards.

I think this is one of the weaker classes of WRs in a while. I don't see four going in round one. Limas Sweed would be the guy I see dropping.

As for the Packers pick, it obviously brought a nice, big smile to my face. I've been jonesing for Felix to end up in Green and Gold since we first started talking the 2008 NFL Draft (no pun intended). Jones and Grant would be a perfect combination. Speed and home run hitting ability with FJ, and a between the tackles force like RG. Jones would immediately become our return specialist as well.
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Re: McShay's First Mock Draft 

Post#2 » by Mags FTW » Fri Dec 7, 2007 4:14 am

DrugBust wrote:If NE got McFadden and kept him I'd go into a massive depression.

For the good of the league, all of the Niner's opponents should tank it when they play em.
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Post#3 » by Ayt » Fri Dec 7, 2007 5:40 am

I'd much rather get some secondary help than take a RB.
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Post#4 » by eagle13 » Fri Dec 7, 2007 6:33 am

Ayt wrote:I'd much rather get some secondary help than take a RB.


Amen Brother!!!

My Priority at this point - developments can still happen

1-CB
2-TE - Franks maybe done - we use TEs alot
3-MLB - Need Depth lets Barnett slide outside if injury outside
4-RB - need 2 backs
5-LT - is Colledge eventual Clifton replacement - doesn't seem like it
6-G - do we have the real guys?
7-S - Rouse makes it seem less urgent

Even though those seem the priority (IMHO) I could see any of those positions as#1 if that is the stud there = BPA. but I would for sure take CB no later than $2 provided there is one worthy when we pick.
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Post#5 » by DH34Phan » Fri Dec 7, 2007 6:40 am

Is Andre Woodson a Byron Leftwich clone?
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Post#6 » by El Duderino » Fri Dec 7, 2007 7:36 am

Ayt wrote:I'd much rather get some secondary help than take a RB.


In general, so would i. With that said, if no good CB was worthy late first, i wouldn't complain getting Jones because i think he's gonna be a good pro. Give us depth at RB and a dynamic return man. As grim as the RB spot looked early in the season, to have a Grant/Jones combo for years to come would be outstanding.

We could then hope a worthy corner is there in round two. There is also free agency to consider, we should have plenty of cap room. If a quality corner is available, sign him up along with drafting one in rounds 1-3.

Safety i'm not as worried about if we eventually can pair Collins and Rouse.
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Post#7 » by A Diddy2231 » Fri Dec 7, 2007 12:31 pm

Thats not even fair how New England will end up getting that high of pick. Damn you Niners, for making this stupid trade and for Frank Gore screwing up my fantasy team!!
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Post#8 » by IrishRainbow » Fri Dec 7, 2007 3:14 pm

Just for the hell of it....

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Post#9 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Dec 7, 2007 3:23 pm

DTribbs wrote:Just for the hell of it....

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Nice work my friend 8)
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Post#10 » by brewcityboii » Fri Dec 7, 2007 3:38 pm

I would like the pick of FJ, but knowing how TT drafts you never know where he is going to go....he is most likely going to get the BPA and as we all know that could be anyone at any position when we are dealing with TT. But I have faith he will make the right selection.

With all that I think adding FJ would be great for the Return game as he could make an explosive return anytime he touched the ball. As far as him in the backfield I am not sold on it (not saying I wouldn't want him to have a shot) I'm just not so sure he could excell in a ZBS.


I would be shocked if they didn't get a OL in day one.
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Post#11 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Dec 7, 2007 3:50 pm

brewcityboii wrote:I would like the pick of FJ, but knowing how TT drafts you never know where he is going to go....he is most likely going to get the BPA and as we all know that could be anyone at any position when we are dealing with TT. But I have faith he will make the right selection.

With all that I think adding FJ would be great for the Return game as he could make an explosive return anytime he touched the ball. As far as him in the backfield I am not sold on it (not saying I wouldn't want him to have a shot) I'm just not so sure he could excell in a ZBS.


I would be shocked if they didn't get a OL in day one.


He'd be the perfect back for the ZBS. Fast, gets upfield quick, doesn't dance around, always runs downfield. If there's a back made for the ZBS in this draft it's Jones.
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Post#12 » by brewcityboii » Fri Dec 7, 2007 4:09 pm

DrugBust wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



He'd be the perfect back for the ZBS. Fast, gets upfield quick, doesn't dance around, always runs downfield. If there's a back made for the ZBS in this draft it's Jones.



The times I saw FJ it just seemed to me he didn't hit the hole hard, granted when he got to the next level he was explosive as hell, but I just think with our line you need to be able to hit the whole hard, Trust me I hope ur right DB if we do get this guy and he can pan out I think him and RG could be an explosive tandem kinda of like Fred Taylor and Jones-Drew but just a little faster and not quite as powerful.
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Post#13 » by jakecronus8 » Fri Dec 7, 2007 4:28 pm

I could see Jones as a possibility in the second round, but even if he goes first, I would hate to see us draft a back in the first round given the depth at that position in this year's draft. McFadden, Stewart, Slaton, Jones, Chris Johnson and Allen Patrick are all fine runners but I don't see all of them going before our pick in round two.
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Post#14 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Dec 7, 2007 6:45 pm

Speaking of the NFL Draft, SI.com has their annual draft redo on their home page.

Packer notes:

* No Justin Harrell in the first round
* James Jones is the 3rd WR off the board after Johnson and Ginn, and goes #21 to Jacksonville
* Has Green Bay taking FS Tanard Jackson (4th rounder from Tampa)
* Has Green Bay passing on Leon Hall, Reggie Nelson, Ted Ginn, Aaron Ross and Greg Olson
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Post#15 » by brewcityboii » Fri Dec 7, 2007 7:21 pm

^^^ Kinda odd he has CJ going 1. and not AP
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Post#16 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Dec 7, 2007 7:26 pm

After factoring injury risk I'd probably still take CJ over Peterson.

One thing though with CJ is last year I commented on the number of drops he had. There were more than a few in the games I watched him play. That still seems to be a bit of an issue.

Huge talent, amazing body control and athleticism, but he's got to work on those hands.
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Post#17 » by brewcityboii » Fri Dec 7, 2007 7:33 pm

DrugBust wrote:After factoring injury risk I'd probably still take CJ over Peterson.

One thing though with CJ is last year I commented on the number of drops he had. There were more than a few in the games I watched him play. That still seems to be a bit of an issue.

Huge talent, amazing body control and athleticism, but he's got to work on those hands.


I would have to disagree, I understand the Injuries are a bit worriesome but this guy has HOF potential and can completely change an anemic offense (i.e. raiders)

AS far as CJ goes I agree with all you said I just can't see him evr becoming a dominant reciever, not due to his skill set but I think his heart is not in the game, it's just the impression I get of him on the field. He reminds me alot of a disgruntled Randy Moss, if he isn't getting multiple balls thrown his way he just kind of lays low and plays like he is in a pick-up game.
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Post#18 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Dec 7, 2007 7:53 pm

brewcityboii wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



I would have to disagree, I understand the Injuries are a bit worriesome but this guy has HOF potential and can completely change an anemic offense (i.e. raiders)

AS far as CJ goes I agree with all you said I just can't see him evr becoming a dominant reciever, not due to his skill set but I think his heart is not in the game, it's just the impression I get of him on the field. He reminds me alot of a disgruntled Randy Moss, if he isn't getting multiple balls thrown his way he just kind of lays low and plays like he is in a pick-up game.


Are you sure you weren't watching Roy Williams when we played 'em? I'm not saying CJ's perfect. Far from it. But I've never got the sense that his heart wasn't in the game.

I think Johnson and to a lesser extent Roy Williams are being wasted in Detroit. They don't need guys with their size and speed if all they're going to do is run 15 yard in-routes. I almost think they'd be wasted here, as well.

But I still think Johnson has as much ability to impact a football game as Peterson.
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Post#19 » by brewcityboii » Fri Dec 7, 2007 7:59 pm

I think Johnson and to a lesser extent Roy Williams are being wasted in Detroit. They don't need guys with their size and speed if all they're going to do is run 15 yard in-routes. I almost think they'd be wasted here, as well.


Yeah that makes sense to me I guess He needs to be on a team that can utilize those stretch type of plays. In regards to CJ Not really in the GB game but in the Minnesota game he seemed to be really disinterested and I know for sure that on a few running plays he just stood at the line and watched.

I think both guys are great (CJ, AP) I just think it isn't very often that you can find a back that is as explosive and dominant as AP. But like you said the Injury factor is a big risk, but if he stays healthy I think AP is the better option of the 2.
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Post#20 » by xTitan » Fri Dec 7, 2007 10:14 pm

I don't see any chance in hell of TT taking a RB in round #1 when he was able to get a very talented back with the trade of a 6th round pick.

Biggest needs at this point would be DB and OL...but they will take the BPA as they view him.

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