Bean Burrito / Nick Young Appreciation Thread.

ShabangAdmin · Post #21 » by **ShabangAdmin** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:38 pm

Chicago should try to acquire Young One, Him and Rose would be sick.

Zerocious · Post #22 » by **Zerocious** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:07 pm

ShabangAdmin wrote:Chicago should try to acquire Young One, Him and Rose would be sick.

hands11 · Post #23 » by **hands11** » Mon Mar 8, 2010 2:21 pm

Bump

It took ten pages of searching but I knew there was one around here some where.

I appreciate that Nick has so many Nick names.

keynote · Post #24 » by **keynote** » Mon Mar 8, 2010 3:17 pm

Nick has a great season tickets package.

Post #25 » by **nate33** » Mon Mar 8, 2010 3:49 pm

I haven't given up on Nick yet.

During December and January, Nick had his first stretch of success that wasn't based solely on ill-advised shot attempts going into the basket. He actually contributed with his man-to-man defense, his spot-up jumper, and even with a little rebounding here and there. I'm hoping that the coaches can sit down with him in the offseason and help him recognize this. I also think it'll help Nick a lot to start training camp next year running the same system he ran this year.

I realize Nick's game has limitations so I'm not expecting miracles; but I do think he can improve a lot during this offseason. If he can just come to understand that he can best contribute as a defensive role-player and not as a high-usage offensive star, his NBA career might be salvaged.

I'm not opposed to trading him, but I wouldn't just dump him. If we don't get back a decent young player or pick in a Young trade, than I'd rather just keep him for one more year and see what happens.

keynote · Post #26 » by **keynote** » Mon Mar 8, 2010 4:46 pm

EDIT: oops. wrong thread.

Wizards2Lottery · Post #27 » by **Wizards2Lottery** » Mon Mar 8, 2010 4:52 pm

Too bad he looks clueless on what he needs to do on offense. Why not just simplify his role as a spot up shooter and screw the wanna be Rip Hamilton experiment? Every time he comes in, we start running double, triple screens and each time we have a bunch of guys who have no clue what the hell is going on.

keynote · Post #28 » by **keynote** » Mon Mar 8, 2010 5:19 pm

They tried that, W2L.

I think that Flip would be ecstatic if Nick could flip a mental switch and transform into a young, un-whipped Doug Christie. But Nick has not shown a consistent ability to play tough D and stick open spot-up 3s.

Nick plays his best when he gets lots of minutes and lots of touches. Unfortunately, while he's a good offensive player, he's not nearly good enough to be a high minutes, volume-shooting scorer night in and night out on a serious NBA team. So, to earn minutes, Nick needs to carve out some other sort of useful role. And right now, he stinks at the other roles:

- Third guard/combo/set-up man (attempted last year): C- (Nick can't pass)
- Microwave bench scoring spark-plug: B-/C+ (Nick is inconsistent off the bench)
- defensive stopper/spot-up shooter: C+ (Nick needs too many touches to stay focused)

What other roles can a swing man play?

Nick will always tantalize with his offensive capabilities and athleticism. to me, his future is in becoming a lethal bench scorer, but he's never displayed the mental strength and confidence to play that role. Bench scorers have to have ice water in their veins, since they won't often get the chance to shoot their way out of a slump. Nick has a scorer mentality, but he loses focus in other aspects of his game too easily if he misses a shot or two.

I'm not calling for the team to dump him. But I understand if the FO doesn't consider him part of the team's core.

verbal8 · Post #29 » by **verbal8** » Mon Mar 8, 2010 5:43 pm

keynote wrote:They tried that, W2L.
I think that Flip would be ecstatic if Nick could flip a mental switch and transform into a young, un-whipped Doug Christie. But Nick has not shown a consistent ability to play tough D and stick open spot-up 3s.

He is shooting well for 3(40%) but only taking 2 a game. Somehow he is shooting worse from 2 than 3. In theory he should be able to make a living hanging out at the 3 point line and letting Blatche or McGee pass inside out. However I think the problem is that would require him to get in position by moving well without the ball.

keynote wrote:Nick will always tantalize with his offensive capabilities and athleticism. to me, his future is in becoming a lethal bench scorer, but he's never displayed the mental strength and confidence to play that role. Bench scorers have to have ice water in their veins, since they won't often get the chance to shoot their way out of a slump. Nick has a scorer mentality, but he loses focus in other aspects of his game too easily if he misses a shot or two.

I'm not calling for the team to dump him. But I understand if the FO doesn't consider him part of the team's core.

I think the best move for Young and the Wizards would be to trade him for a similar disappointing rookie(maybe a guy with a year more left on his rookie deal). I would be very interested to see how he would perform with a pass-first point guard.

hands11 · Post #30 » by **hands11** » Mon Mar 8, 2010 9:23 pm

keynote wrote:They tried that, W2L.

I think that Flip would be ecstatic if Nick could flip a mental switch and transform into a young, un-whipped Doug Christie. But Nick has not shown a consistent ability to play tough D and stick open spot-up 3s.

Nick plays his best when he gets lots of minutes and lots of touches. Unfortunately, while he's a good offensive player, he's not nearly good enough to be a high minutes, volume-shooting scorer night in and night out on a serious NBA team. So, to earn minutes, Nick needs to carve out some other sort of useful role. And right now, he stinks at the other roles:

- Third guard/combo/set-up man (attempted last year): C- (Nick can't pass)
- Microwave bench scoring spark-plug: B-/C+ (Nick is inconsistent off the bench)
- defensive stopper/spot-up shooter: C+ (Nick needs too many touches to stay focused)

What other roles can a swing man play?

Nick will always tantalize with his offensive capabilities and athleticism. to me, his future is in becoming a lethal bench scorer, but he's never displayed the mental strength and confidence to play that role. Bench scorers have to have ice water in their veins, since they won't often get the chance to shoot their way out of a slump. Nick has a scorer mentality, but he loses focus in other aspects of his game too easily if he misses a shot or two.

I'm not calling for the team to dump him. But I understand if the FO doesn't consider him part of the team's core.

Great round up.

I think Nick will get another look this season. I laid something out in the " What do we do next " thread.

Because of the things you mentioned, Nick just isn't in the front of the line for evaluation at this point.

Up next is most likely getting Livingston a look. He is almost the opposite of Nick. Liv has a high BB IQ with some injured physical skill that need another look. Nick has a low BB IQ with lots of physical skills.

So first things first. Livingston is supposed to get an extenstion for another 10 days. They will want to see what they have. Maybe Nick gets are look with more minutes at SG after that.

But as someone else mentioned, Nick needs to almost do a total 180 and think about defense first, scoring second. Sadly, Nick was introduced to the game by EJ who was an offense first person.

go'stags · Post #31 » by **go'stags** » Mon Apr 5, 2010 3:59 am

bump for Nick. I like what I have seen lately.

Not only is he playing better, but he just looks more focused. Its evident in his body language, how he plays, how he acts after he makes a shot, etc. I first noticed it in the Lakers game, and then every game after. Its almost like he realized that Alonzo Gee, and now Cartier, were playing some serious ball and he had to step it up. He showed it in his comments to Blatche after the Flip incident.

it used to be after every shot he made he would have a big, almost empty smile like he had done enough already. But now every time the camera focuses on him he looks ...focused [now thats good writing].

And its also not N1-on-5 anymore. Hes scoring within the offense, even when he is not the focus of it. I feel like even when he was playing well earlier in the year, like in the Miami game, a lot of his scoring plays were designed for him. How he can run of screens, hit the open shot, etc, but still create his own shot when other options falter. Hes doing especially well IMO in the late shot clock pick-n-roll situations, and of course he still has the ability to hit the fadeaway late in the clock. He has also been fighting for rebounds more often now, with mixed results.

The main thing I like is the focus hes been showing, like he knows he hasnt accomplished anything, both in games and in his preparation between them.

We already exercised his option for next year, so I'm looking forward to seeing how this focus helps him in the offseason, or if it even does.

hands11 · Post #32 » by **hands11** » Mon Apr 5, 2010 4:57 am

The overly smiley Nick things changed some time ago. He still isn't consistent enough. Even without the goofy smile thing. He is just a kid still. He still does the haircut a week thing and now he has some phone thing going on.

He has a sweet jumper and some nice moves but he just isn't near a complete player.

As for growing up.. I don't know. He still got zero rebounds in 35 minutes. I don't get it. He is 6-6 and he can leap. He also only had one assist and zero steals and he had zero fouls.

I'm all for Nick not fouling a lot but zero fouls kind of tell me your not trying hard enough. Not a foul trying to steal the ball. Not one trying to get a rebound. He is the anti MM.

He is just very one dimensional and in that one dimension, he is hot and cold.

6 rebounds and 4 assists over the last 5 games totaling 155 minutes.

Just not sure about Nick... It's not his skills. Its the space between his ears.

go'stags · Post #33 » by **go'stags** » Mon Apr 5, 2010 5:54 am

I realize that the things I pointed out aren't necessarily tangible in the stats, especially right now. It just the feeling I get from watching him now compared to even earlier this year. I don't really care about his haircuts, hes human and fun is allowed, even for NBA players. This isn't the military. Plus everyone would make fun of him if he never got a haircut. No shape-up is instant clowning, no matter who you are.

And again, I saw him fighting for rebounds, hes making the extra pass more often, if still not as often as he should, and he isn't dribbling really at all.

The stats don't show it now, and I definitely could be wrong, its just the impression I get from him now. Like he realizes this a job and not entitled to him.

Like I said, we already exercised his option for next year, so lets all hope I'm right.

verbal8 · Post #34 » by **verbal8** » Mon Apr 5, 2010 11:57 am

hands11 wrote:I'm all for Nick not fouling a lot but zero fouls kind of tell me your not trying hard enough. Not a foul trying to steal the ball. Not one trying to get a rebound. He is the anti MM.

It is interesting how both are similar heights, play the same positions and can shoot well, but are completely different in terms of results. Miller often takes himself out of the game by being passive. Nick Young often makes things hard for himself because the defense knows he is always looking to score when he gets the ball.

hands11 wrote:He is just very one dimensional and in that one dimension, he is hot and cold.

6 rebounds and 4 assists over the last 5 games totaling 155 minutes.

Just not sure about Nick... It's not his skills. Its the space between his ears.

His only skill is scoring. I think he is a poor man's JR Smith.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&is_playoffs=N&year_min=1995&year_max=2010&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=78&height_max=99&lg_id=&franch_id=&is_active=Y&is_hof=&pos=&qual=&c1stat=pts_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=7&c2stat=trb_per_g&c2comp=lt&c2val=2&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=ws

closg00 · Post #35 » by **closg00** » Mon Apr 5, 2010 12:13 pm

Things seem to work best for the Wiz when the roster is Flip-proofed

Having Ross sidelined due to injury resulted in Nick playing a rare 30+ minutes and he was very productive despite not having any assists or rebounds. Oh-well, he is what he is.

Kanyewest · Post #36 » by **Kanyewest** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:16 pm

I was thinking about this and found the proper thread...

Anyone else remember the game when Nick Young outplayed Dwayne Wade - and practically contained him one on one?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_y ... 2009112714

Young played great man to man defense- contested Wade's midrange shot, and also drew an offensive foul in a critical portion of the game.

Young had 23 points, 5 assists (a career high), 4 rebounds, 3 turnovers

Wade had 18 points, 6 assists, 4 rebounds, and 4 turnovers

Question is if Nick Young is capable of putting together these kind of performances at a consistent basis.

dobrojim · Post #37 » by **dobrojim** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:25 pm

I absolutely remember that game

that's why MIA don't scare me

I remember N1 outplaying Wade.

Bosh is soft and could be outplayed by AB.

LeQueen is capable as recently as the CLE @ WAS
game this past season of having 8 TO games!

Nothing is given.

I think N1 has as much potential to be consistent as
anyone IF he is played consistently.

Post #38 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:31 pm

Wade wasn't 100% that game - probably not even close. The truth is Young can't carry Wade's week-old un-washed jock strap. To mention them in the same breath is offensive to the basketball gods.

Kanyewest · Post #39 » by **Kanyewest** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:38 pm

Ruzious wrote:Wade wasn't 100% that game - probably not even close. The truth is Young can't carry Wade's week-old un-washed jock strap. To mention them in the same breath is offensive to the basketball gods.

^^ OK but the Wizards also have the original Wade stopper in Kirk Hinrich. Plus John Wall. Heck, even Gilbert Arenas for spot minutes especially to make Wade work on the defensive end. And you've got Mr. Young who has outplayed Wade once.

Problem is I don't hink the Wizards have enough guys to throw at LeBron James. Al Thornton is a start and maybe Booker with his quickness, size, and toughnesses causes LeBron to whine a little bit. But the Wizards need someone who will make LeBron work offensively and defensively. A Paul Pierce type... I don't see many guys like that and I'm thinking someone like Carmelo would be ideal but is a pipe dream.

Post #40 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:26 pm

Thornton's the Melo-stopper, but his warranty is not effective against Bronbron. Actually, I concur Booker would be interesting defending Lebron. Obviously, James would have his way with TBook this season, but down the road - he could be effective mauling LJ.