Why can't Frye be the next Amare?

[Mr. Sun]

What would be pro's or con's in viewing Frye as a eventual Amare replacement?

He can shoot, block, rebound and working on inside game on the offensive end.

The price would be right, yes?

[DaDragicShow]

no comment lol

[lilfishi22]

Block shots? Rebound? Inside game? I'm not sure if this is a joke thread or a serious thread.

Unless we have a guy like Brook Lopez or someone with a solid offensive and defensive game, then it would be best if Frye was coming off the bench.

[schnakenpopanz]

comparing amare to frye is like comparing lakers and the clippers.
no way frye will be anything near amare.

[Miklo]

lol...

[ma_falaa_50]

frye is not as aggressive and as physical as amare. Frye is as good as he gets right now. bottomline Frye just is not as talented as amare.

[justinb80]

Frye works well as an off-the-bench power forward. He's too soft inside and too soft rebounding to be an effective starting power forward. He's sort of like LaMarcus Aldridge, except Aldridge can score in a variety of ways. Frye's improving in taking the ball to the hoop and doing more mid-range stuff, but he's got a ways to go.

I think Frye's a good long-term investment for the team, but only as a 7th or 8th man.

[justinb80]

Block shots? Rebound? Inside game? I'm not sure if this is a joke thread or a serious thread.

Unless we have a guy like Brook Lopez or someone with a solid offensive and defensive game, then it would be best if Frye was coming off the bench.

Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself, but I've seen enough of Robin Lopez this season to be confident that he could be a scoring focus of the Suns going forward, in addition to his defensive prowess.

[Miklo]

Frye isn't even a big man, he's a shooting guard

[MaryvalesFinest]

C-Lopez
PF-Frye
SF-Hill (a year older)
SG-Richardson
PG-Nash ( a year older)

If Nash's recent play after the all-star break is any indication that he's not going to be the same player he was before because of his back and replacing Amare with Frye, I don't see this team winning 30 games next season...but that's alright since they have their first rounder.

[LV-Suns]

Block shots? Rebound? Inside game? I'm not sure if this is a joke thread or a serious thread.

Unless we have a guy like Brook Lopez or someone with a solid offensive and defensive game, then it would be best if Frye was coming off the bench.

Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself, but I've seen enough of Robin Lopez this season to be confident that he could be a scoring focus of the Suns going forward, in addition to his defensive prowess.

[justinb80]

Block shots? Rebound? Inside game? I'm not sure if this is a joke thread or a serious thread.

Unless we have a guy like Brook Lopez or someone with a solid offensive and defensive game, then it would be best if Frye was coming off the bench.

Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself, but I've seen enough of Robin Lopez this season to be confident that he could be a scoring focus of the Suns going forward, in addition to his defensive prowess.

Any player that explodes for 30 points and 12 rebounds in the NBA has potential. And that was one of the only games where the Suns actually went through him on offense. He's averaging 11.6 points as a starter, and that's mainly on garbage points and put-backs, and it's also in only 25.3 minutes. Most starters play 35 minutes or so a game.

Lopez's stats as a starter in 25.3 minutes/game:

11.6 points
6.5 rebounds
1.2 blocks
2.5 personal fouls

Lopez's stats extrapolated out over 35 minutes:

16 points
9 rebounds
1.7 blocks
3.45 fouls

This is all without him being a focus of their offense whatsoever. We've seen he can score using a variety of attacks: lay-ups, dunks, hook shots, scoop shots, close-up jumpers. He can develop a post game. IF the Suns chose to go through him every so often, I think he could be one of the premier scorers on the team. He doesn't have the mentality, I don't think, to be "the guy" but he can be one of the "big three" on a team, if the team chose to pursue that route.

[justinb80]

Also to help put things in perspective, here are the stats (points-wise) for our #3 scorer, Jason Richardson:

32 minutes
15.4 points (on 12.5 field goal attempts)

Lopez' stats extrapolated out to 32 minutes:

14.6 points (on 9.7 field goal attempts per 32 minutes)

[LV-Suns]

Any player that explodes for 30 points and 12 rebounds in the NBA has potential. And that was one of the only games where the Suns actually went through him on offense. He's averaging 11.6 points as a starter, and that's mainly on garbage points and put-backs, and it's also in only 25.3 minutes. Most starters play 35 minutes or so a game.

Lopez's stats as a starter in 25.3 minutes/game:

11.6 points
6.5 rebounds
1.2 blocks
2.5 personal fouls

Lopez's stats extrapolated out over 35 minutes:

16 points
9 rebounds
1.7 blocks
3.45 fouls

This is all without him being a focus of their offense whatsoever. We've seen he can score using a variety of attacks: lay-ups, dunks, hook shots, scoop shots, close-up jumpers. He can develop a post game. IF the Suns chose to go through him every so often, I think he could be one of the premier scorers on the team. He doesn't have the mentality, I don't think, to be "the guy" but he can be one of the "big three" on a team, if the team chose to pursue that route.

Do you honestly believe Lopez have the skillet or even the ability to be our go to scorer day in and out?

Lopez is someone who is good enough to cover-up a lot of our starting lineup deficiencies. The scoring is just coming in as a bonus right now. Nash and Amare is probably plays 50% of the role in his offensive game. Playing along the starting lineup is the main reason to his improvement. He is best suited for the role he is playing now. Garbage man on offense with his occasional mechanical moves in the post, anything more is screaming trouble. I just can't imagine him even being a 15PPG+ scorer, let alone a premier scorer in this league.

He had one game where he scored 30 pts, but has he shown the potential to do that consistently? Even Channing Frye has multiple games where he exploded for over 25+.

At his best, I think I can maybe see him being part of the "big 3." Just not a scoring threat.

[justinb80]

I didn't say he would be the go to guy. In fact, I even went so far as to call that out specifically.

I don't know why it's so hard for you to imagine him as a 15+ PPG scorer, when he's already an 11.6 PPG scorer in 10 minutes less than the average starter and with very little of the offense going through him.

Yes, once Nash retires, he's going to have to create more of his own offense. But, considering the jump he's made between his first and second seasons, I don't see why improving in that area is beyond his ability.

[justinb80]

And also, this will depend on if the Suns decide this is a road they want to go down. If they decide to keep Lopez in the role he's in now, then no, he's not going to average 15 PPG and be a consistent scoring threat. If he buffs up and they run plays through him sometimes, I think he has the ability to be a scoring threat on a nightly basis. He won't be the guy opposing teams game-plan around, but he could easily fill a scoring role like saying an Andrew Bynum, LaMarcus Aldridge, Chris Kaman, etc, play. Not the guy you expect to put games on their shoulders, but someone you can expect to help put points on the board every night.

[JMac1]

I understand what you are saying, PnR with Lopez and use Frye as a stretch 4, alas Orlando. I want Amare here if possible, but i would have a problem with Lopez being a better offensive version of Tyson Chandler, only if we could get a stud 2 or 3. We get our lottery pick next year so............

[dantian]

Frye has a better chance to be an adequate Bosh replacement than Amare replacement. lol

[Jimmy76]

we can probably barely make playoffs running

Nash/Dragic
J-Rich/Barbosa
Hill/Dudley
Frye/Clark
Lopez/Frye

[RaisingArizona]

Frye doesn't have the athleticism Amar'e does. Plus he's soft, inconsistent and weaker on d than Amare is.