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Re: Clippers, Dunleavy Sever Ties 

Post#21 » by mkwest » Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:32 am

Here are a few quotes regarding the decision after the game against the Magic.

Baron Davis wrote:"With everything that's gone on with the season, with the injuries and not having our No. 1 draft pick [Blake Griffin], and Dunleavy coaching and GM and the interim coach, I think the most important thing is to ... have some thick skin," Davis said. "I've got three more years here and I just know that the future is going to get brighter."


Stan Van Gundy wrote:"No knock on Kim or anyone else, but they haven't exactly taken off since the coaching change," noted Magic coach Stan Van Gundy. "Their record was better with [Dunleavy]. Mike's a good solid coach; that's why he's coached as many games as he has. He's done a good job wherever he is. He's very well respected in the business.

"It's hard to comment on anything another organization does because you don't know why or how, and multiply that by about 10 with the Clippers."


Chris Kaman wrote:"I wonder who made that decision," said center Chris Kaman. "There are so many people involved. As a GM, did he do a good job of getting rid of all that money [in salaries]? I think whoever's decision it was to get rid of all that money did a good job of doing it."
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Re: Clippers, Dunleavy Sever Ties 

Post#22 » by mkwest » Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:59 am

According to Kevin Arnovitz (ClipperBlog/TrueHoop/ESPNLA), Neil Olshey was recommended by Arn Tellem to the Clippers for a position. He worked for Arn Tellem and David Falk's agency as a director of player development. Arn Tellem just happens to be the agent to players such as Joe Johnson, Mike Miller & Tracy McGrady.

It might not mean much of anything, but then again, it couldn't hurt. The wiretap had an article earlier in the day saying that Tellem could influence Joe Johnson. Now, the article was written by the NY Daily News to the Knicks benefit, but that relationship could also work in our favor. We shall see...
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Re: Clippers, Dunleavy Sever Ties 

Post#23 » by salmahayek » Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:01 pm

If anyone interviewing for the GM job or HC position mentions during the interview that they would consider bringing in Tracy McGrady, they should be thrown out of the building before the interview is even over. He has won one thing in his NBA career - nothing.

Joe Johnson is a decent fallback free agent if the Clips strike out with LeBron, Wade, Bosh, etc.

Mike Miller can contribute to a winning team, but he is more of an MLE type player at this point IMO.
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Re: Clippers, Dunleavy Sever Ties 

Post#24 » by donemilio21 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:38 pm

Here is the article today by Bill Plaschke of LA Times

After 26 years and two winning seasons and one playoff series victory and zero championship credibility, it's finally, wonderfully happened.

The Clippers have run out of things to blame.

The final sawing of the limb upon which Mike Dunleavy has been sitting for the last month — the fallen coach is now the felled general manager — has cleared the last of the thick and messy brush.
If Clippers fans look up today, they can see the limit to this team's possibilities.

It's called, rather improbably, the sky.

Of course, as long as Donald Sterling is still the owner, that sky could still be falling. But for the first time in a long time, it is clear enough to see, close enough to touch, and real enough to promise.

"The Clippers want to win now," read the team's statement Tuesday that announced Dunleavy's dumping as general manager. "This transition, in full conjunction with a full commitment to dedicate unlimited resources, is designed to accomplish that objective."

In the past, many have jokingly accused the Clippers of false advertising. But with that statement now officially in ink, those accusations would become indictments.

The Clippers aren't dumb enough to say it and not mean it, are they? Who knows?


We've been hopeful for long time, or why else would we be Clipper fans

They can't blame money — they have tons of space under the salary cap and plenty of dough to fill it.

They can't blame facilities — they finally have a first-class practice home to go with their world-class game gym.

They can't blame bling — they will have a solid returning core including Chris Kaman, Baron Davis, Eric Gordon and a rehabbed Blake Griffin.

And now, they can't even blame Dunleavy, who was consistently ripped as a coach and basically disregarded in his brief time as a full-time general manager.



The office is empty for the strongest of general managers. The bench is available for the best of head coaches. The building is even unlocked for someone who can do both.

Now introducing Clippers general manager, coach and forward LeBron James.

Crazy, sure, but you have to wonder whether the Clippers didn't suddenly ax Dunleavy because they received word that there's somebody out there who could deliver them potential free-agent James.

Now introducing, Clippers forward LeBron James and two of his high school chums as general manager and coach.
:D :D

Crazy, too, but that's the thing about what happened Tuesday. The Clippers didn't lose a general manager, they gained a world of possibilities.

Like Jerry West. Well, it could be dicey, considering the Clippers' history with West's former teammate Elgin Baylor, but you never know.

Or, like, Rick Pitino. Maybe the University of Louisville coach hasn't done enough at the pro level to warrant control of an organization, but he would be the perfect fit for a job that requires entertainment for the fans and tweaking of the Lakers.

How about Larry Brown? He's under contract in Charlotte, and he's thrilled that Michael Jordan just bought the team, but the guy is always looking for new challenges, and word is that the Clippers would love to have him back.

You get my drift. The subtraction of Dunleavy means the Clippers could add just about anybody.

Maybe Jeff Van Gundy would come to a place where he would have some control. Maybe Byron Scott could patch things up with Baron Davis and come home. Heck, just offer the whole shebang to Mike Krzyzewski.

Think Kobe Bryant would have second thoughts about where to end his career?

"With all due respect to Mike [Dunleavy], we arrived at the realization that we weren't going to be able to move forward together in the long term," Clippers President Andy Roeser said in an e-mailed statement. "And we felt that, in order to give us the most flexibility as we approach this opportunity-filled off-season, making a clean break was our best option at this time."

Roeser said something even more interesting in referring to the guy who will run the Clippers front office for the time being, current assistant general manager Neil Olshey.

"Neil is well-prepared to meet the mandate to lead us to a ‘win now' mentality,'' he said.

Hear that? Win now?

He said it. The Clippers can do it. In 26 years here, they've never had a better opportunity. No excuses.
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Re: Clippers, Dunleavy Sever Ties 

Post#25 » by playaloc916 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:05 pm

^^
That was a good article, especially the part about the blaming. I think was Dunleavy was dumped all together, because in the event that next year doesn't result in a huge improvement, people are going to be pointing fingers at Dunleavy again, because there are always people who will blame coaches and GMs, rather than the players. And it's also the role of the GM to bring the players in. So in that case, if the coach isn't to blame and the players are, indirectly, the GM is to blame for bringing them in.

To avoid that scenario altogether, is why I think he was let go. I thought he was doing a good job as GM myself, but then again, sometimes I wonder what the team would be like if we had a completely fresh start. As good as Dunleavy was doing, we may be best served with a completely new vision for the team, especially since we have a pretty good core to work with. I just hope we bring in someone credible. Time to pay up, Sterling.
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Post#26 » by thanumba2clippersfan » Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:23 pm

I thought Dunleavy did do a solid job as a gm and was very surprised by the news last night. I don't like how we handled letting him go. I don't want others around the NBA getting the idea that they could end up like Dunleavy even after he was here for so many years.

The other thing I wanted to mention is that it's sad that we only make national news when something like this happens. I'm getting tired of hearing the analysts input because it is always negative about the team and if I was a player listening to this I wouldn't want to come play for this team. However this is only their opinion and I'm glad that I'm not in LA most of the time to hear things like this. I just hope the move works out in our favor.
I've been an LA Clipper fan since 1998 and that will never change. I hate our new logo and jerseys!
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Post#27 » by donemilio21 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:37 pm

this is by Adrian Wojnarowski

Clipper ship still adrift with Captain Sterling

The old man running the Los Angeles Clippers declared some kind of liberation from losing with a nasty, humiliating and perfectly in-character firing at halftime of a halfhearted loss. Had Donald Sterling been watching TV, tossed a tantrum and obliterated Mike Dunleavy as GM with an email blast? Sounds about right.

The biggest embarrassment ever under the NBA commissioner’s watch, as pitiful and pathetic of an owner sports has ever seen, Sterling acted like he had done something he’s rarely done in his life: a public service.
Firing Dunleavy changes nothing for the Clippers. They’ll never win something significant or something sustained. They’ll never be blessed with the staying power, the resolve, to be a contender. Dunleavy goes and they’re celebrating the abrupt firing as some kind of a clarion call from Sterling. This was no mission statement, but the ranting of the crazy uncle living in David Stern’s attic.
“The Clippers want to win now,” the statement said Tuesday night. “This transition, in conjunction with a full commitment to dedicate unlimited resources, is designed to accomplish that objective.”

Unlimited resources won’t include Sterling’s inevitable bid to give Dunleavy the full Al Davis treatment on the money left on his contract. Sterling will probably fight payment on it, and go Lane Kiffin on his ex-coach and GM.


The only things that Sterling has ever “fully committed” these so-called “unlimited resources” to are settling the lawsuits of his racist, slumlord heart.

Hey LeBron, come out to L.A.

You can pick your GM, your coach, your teammates.

Anything you want to be a Clipper – you can do anything but rent from me.

Sterling finally pushed Dunleavy out, and now Sterling has a chance to turn his franchise over to a strong, smart, cutting-edge executive, with some good young players in the program, with Blake Griffin(notes) redshirting and serious salary-cap space. Sterling has long let a particular coaching/front-office agent – through Dunleavy – use the Clips as a wasteland for his clients. Those days need to end, and that starts with a front office constructed on merit, not cronyism.

The free agent class of 2010 doesn’t just include LeBron and Dwyane Wade(notes), but one of the NBA’s best executives, Denver’s Mark Warkentien.


For everyone thrilled Dunleavy is gone, there’s still the fact that his groomed successor, solid player personnel guy Neil Olshey, takes over now. For all his phony talk about whatever it takes to win, Sterling is still staying on the cheap and easy with Olshey. He’s a front-office keeper, but his brief body of work doesn’t make him a leading man.

Olshey has been a competent player personnel man with trades and picks, but the job is so much bigger than player personnel. With the Lakers next door, the Clippers still need big vision, big ideas and a big presence. Olshey is solid as a No. 2, but still a novice with the complexities of the GM job people never see, that its self promoters without playoff success and championships never talk about at those NBA “Star Trek” conventions in New England.

How do you deal with a crazy owner? How do you hire and evaluate coaches? How do you handle entourages and players angry over contract negotiations and player agents making threats? Here’s a job that’s never been so demanding, especially with Sterling making his impulsive moves. Just days ago, Dunleavy was talking with agents, discussing free agency, the draft, potential trades, sources said. He appeared to have no inclination that he was about to be fired as GM.

Sterling can forget LeBron in 2010, but what about Carmelo Anthony(notes) in 2011? Warkentien has shown ‘Melo that he can construct a contender around him in Denver, and as much as anything, that’s what star players want with their max deals: reasons to believe they’ll play for titles.

Warkentien was the 2009 NBA Executive of the Year, and here’s a most absurd fact: He still hasn’t been offered a contract extension. Sources say his agent Steve Kauffman was told that talks would start over the summer and never did. Amazingly, Denver owner Stan Kroenke and his son Josh have yet to reach out.

“So far, Denver hasn’t done anything to try and keep him,” a league source said.
Warkentien spent most of his childhood in Southern California, graduated from Cal State Fullerton and sources insist that Denver’s puzzling reluctance to engage in extension talks has left him prepared to move on. It would be a crushing blow to a Nuggets franchise that Warkentien helped elevate from a perennial first-round loser into a Western Conference finalist and championship contender. There’s always been something of a power play in Denver’s front office, a fight for ownership’s ear, but most league executives and agents consider Warkentien one of the sport’s shrewdest talent evaluators and negotiators.


Now, Sterling has a chance to make a bid for one of basketball’s best minds, and that ultimately has to be a precursor to hiring a coach and luring a max-out star this summer. Sterling did meet with Jerry West a year ago, but a source close to West says there are two reasons he wouldn’t consider a comeback with the Clippers: His loyalty to the Lakers and the lawsuit his old teammate Elgin Baylor is chasing against Sterling.
Donald Sterling has always talked a big game, but he’s never gone after a star GM in his prime. Dunleavy leaves the franchise set up in some good ways, but Sterling doesn’t understand that winning in the NBA doesn’t come from empty words in absurdly worded press-release firings, doesn’t come with throwing red meat to a fan base that wanted the old GM embarrassed and fired on the spot.

Unless Donald Sterling fires Donald Sterling, nothing changes with the Clippers. He has a chance to save his franchise from himself again, but he won’t do it. He’ll never do it. The Clippers want to win now, he says. Unlimited resources available. Just listen to him. He’s said all this over and over through the years, and nothing ever changes because Sterling still hasn’t fired Sterling.


Stop talking about LeBron, stop talking about the promotion of a novice GM who’ll be powerless to make a difference. Donald Sterling sounds crazier than ever. Nothing else matters. It all starts with Sterling and it always will.



Unfortunately, Wojnarowski has some valid points. Oshley will not cut it, and Sterling has to hire a world-class GM, I like the idea of Warkantien, give an open checkbook and don't do anything else but watch the games.
Thats why CEO get paid tons of money. If you wanna be successful you need good management and pay them to spend your money.

If Sterling finally accepts that, then we can win.


You can also read
Art Garcia here http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/art_garcia/03/10/nba.insider/?ls=iref:nbahpt1
Kelly Dwyer here http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Dunleavy-out-for-good-Clippers-conducting-busin?urn=nba,227178
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Re: Clippers, Dunleavy Sever Ties 

Post#28 » by TheNewEra » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:38 am

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Post#29 » by cinnamon » Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:18 am

Well, I wanted Dunleavy gone for a long time, but I feel the need to say that I didn't want him to find out by answering the phone and getting questions from media people, who knew all about it before he did and read him quotes from the organization's statement that it had cut all ties with him.
Isn't there a single thing in life or simply in business that Sterling knows how to do with decency and civility, never mind class?
This was just wrong.
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Post#30 » by kombayn » Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:44 am

The GM doesn't concern me as much as the choice of head coach. i mean if the Nuggets GM is available, I would love to go after him. I like Jerry Colangelo or John Paxon, hell I'd be sold on Chris Mullin too. Personally I want a hard-nosed coach like Avery Johnson, Byron Scott or Sam Mitchell to take over. I'm just happy with a fresh-start right now, we'll see what actually happens. I'm hoping the Clippers win the lottery again.
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Post#31 » by PerkinsFor3 » Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:42 am

Sterling has long let a particular coaching/front-office agent – through Dunleavy – use the Clips as a wasteland for his clients. Those days need to end, and that starts with a front office constructed on merit, not cronyism.


Who's this agent?
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Post#32 » by donemilio21 » Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:53 pm

loot wrote:
Sterling has long let a particular coaching/front-office agent – through Dunleavy – use the Clips as a wasteland for his clients. Those days need to end, and that starts with a front office constructed on merit, not cronyism.


Who's this agent?


I believe its Warren LeGarie. He is agent of many players and coaches and even GMs, along with Dunleavy. Apparently he is very influential in contracting trades and during the drafts.
He is the guy who runs! Vegas summer league.
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Post#33 » by Roscoe Sheed » Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:11 am

cinnamon wrote:Well, I wanted Dunleavy gone for a long time, but I feel the need to say that I didn't want him to find out by answering the phone and getting questions from media people, who knew all about it before he did and read him quotes from the organization's statement that it had cut all ties with him.
Isn't there a single thing in life or simply in business that Sterling knows how to do with decency and civility, never mind class?
This was just wrong.
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exactly. Just terrible
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Post#34 » by donemilio21 » Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:30 pm

Our next GM should be Bill Simmons

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