Los Angeles (49-18) @ Sacramento (23-44)

[10B10]

The rebounding issue needs to be addressed. If Landry is our starting PF moving forward, then the center next to him needs to a damn good defensive rebounder. We got killed on the glass tonight and Landry actually had a pretty good rebounding game. A really good rebounder to play at center is a must unless we want to keep giving up all these offensive boards against big teams like the Lakers.

And, wow, can someone knock down an open jumper? Tyreke should have had about 6 more assists if guys would have knocked down their open jumpers in the 3rd/4th.

[bjax24]

I maintain that most of the "Lakers" fans at these games in sacramento are more "Attention" fans, and "let's route against the kings... LOL" fans. Some are alright, the dude beside me had me laughing all game he was a funny dude who seemed to know his stuff. Some are just ridiculous.

[SacKingZZZ]

The rebounding issue needs to be addressed. If Landry is our starting PF moving forward, then the center next to him needs to a damn good defensive rebounder. We got killed on the glass tonight and Landry actually had a pretty good rebounding game. A really good rebounder to play at center is a must unless we want to keep giving up all these offensive boards against big teams like the Lakers.

And, wow, can someone knock down an open jumper? Tyreke should have had about 6 more assists if guys would have knocked down their open jumpers in the 3rd/4th.

Better team rebounding would help as well. Also doesn't help that the two best rebounding tough guys on the team were wearing suits tonight. A lot of the rebounding issues, in particular with Spencer, is that the bigs in the process of going to help on penetration leave the offensive glass open because nobody boxes out or comes in to help.

[pillwenney]

I maintain that most of the "Lakers" fans at these games in sacramento are more "Attention" fans, and "let's route against the kings... LOL" fans. Some are alright, the dude beside me had me laughing all game he was a funny dude who seemed to know his stuff. Some are just ridiculous.

I don't think there's any doubt that's true at all. To be fair, they're not the first of their kind to do it. Some of our fans have done it with the warriors before.

But really, anyone who does it is a collosal tool. It's one thing to go to a game in another team's arena. It's another thing to be an ass about it. Those fans aren't there to root for the Lakers, they're there to rub their teams superiority in our fans' faces.

You can tell especially because the fans at these games are about a million times more excited than the fans at Lakers games.

[KingInExile]

I maintain that most of the "Lakers" fans at these games in sacramento are more "Attention" fans, and "let's route against the kings... LOL" fans. Some are alright, the dude beside me had me laughing all game he was a funny dude who seemed to know his stuff. Some are just ridiculous.

I don't think there's any doubt that's true at all. To be fair, they're not the first of their kind to do it. Some of our fans have done it with the warriors before.

But really, anyone who does it is a collosal tool. It's one thing to go to a game in another team's arena. It's another thing to be an ass about it. Those fans aren't there to root for the Lakers, they're there to rub their teams superiority in our fans' faces.

You can tell especially because the fans at these games are about a million times more excited than the fans at Lakers games.

Hate to be the one to sound like Smills here, but "ass" and "Lakers fan" seem to by synonymous in many situations. Just look at another thread on this board where someone posted the vid of Reke's spin on Artest and the first contribution from a Lakers fanboy is a gloating post about the final score of the game. Wow...way to comprehend the meaning of the thread on that one.

Yes, every team has its share of annoying fans. The Lakers just seem to have an overabundance of douchbags that come out whenever the team does well.

[ICMTM]

The Kings bigs (all three) could not stop Gasol or Bynum. Had Kobe gave the ball up this game would have been over in the 2nd quarter!

I'm not big on Carl Landry!
Yeah he can score around the basket and has a nice jump shot, but he's not being doubled out there. He doesn't demand a double team in the post. He's a liability on defense because he's too short. His an adequate rebounder. He's just a good (not great) NBA player. We're better with him than before the trade. He's just not the guy the Kings marketing machine is making him to be.

I'm not big on Jason or Spencer either, but it's 100% clear to me that what we will need is ONE player that combines the qualities of the THREE of them, because they all have a serious deficiency. None of them are the long term solution the way I see it.

I don't think any of the three are just outright better than one another either.

[bjax24]

I don't mind someome going to a game to cheer for another team, even some friendly trash talk is fine. But the people that just scream randomly to anyone that walks by are stupid. I was listening to Carmichael Dave last night, he was ripping on the Lakers fans, it was hilarious.

[pillwenney]

I maintain that most of the "Lakers" fans at these games in sacramento are more "Attention" fans, and "let's route against the kings... LOL" fans. Some are alright, the dude beside me had me laughing all game he was a funny dude who seemed to know his stuff. Some are just ridiculous.

I don't think there's any doubt that's true at all. To be fair, they're not the first of their kind to do it. Some of our fans have done it with the warriors before.

But really, anyone who does it is a collosal tool. It's one thing to go to a game in another team's arena. It's another thing to be an ass about it. Those fans aren't there to root for the Lakers, they're there to rub their teams superiority in our fans' faces.

You can tell especially because the fans at these games are about a million times more excited than the fans at Lakers games.

Hate to be the one to sound like Smills here, but "ass" and "Lakers fan" seem to by synonymous in many situations. Just look at another thread on this board where someone posted the vid of Reke's spin on Artest and the first contribution from a Lakers fanboy is a gloating post about the final score of the game. Wow...way to comprehend the meaning of the thread on that one.

Yes, every team has its share of annoying fans. The Lakers just seem to have an overabundance of douchbags that come out whenever the team does well.

I know a lot of Lakers fans that are very knowledgable, reasonable guys. We just don't see them very often because they don't troll here and they don't come out to Arco and act like douchebags. We only see the douchebags.

Over all, it's partly just that the Lakers have more fans than anybody else, and more fans=more douchebags, and being a historically good franchise with a star player like Kobe, they also attract a lot of annoying fanboys that don't know anything.

The Kings bigs (all three) could not stop Gasol or Bynum. Had Kobe gave the ball up this game would have been over in the 2nd quarter!

I'm not big on Carl Landry!
Yeah he can score around the basket and has a nice jump shot, but he's not being doubled out there. He doesn't demand a double team in the post. He's a liability on defense because he's too short. His an adequate rebounder. He's just a good (not great) NBA player. We're better with him than before the trade. He's just not the guy the Kings marketing machine is making him to be.

I'm not big on Jason or Spencer either, but it's 100% clear to me that what we will need is ONE player that combines the qualities of the THREE of them, because they all have a serious deficiency. None of them are the long term solution the way I see it.

I don't think any of the three are just outright better than one another either.

I agree to a certain extent. I also think he just had a bad game last night also though. He just didn't do anything really well. Personally, I was calling for Spencer and Jason to be the bigs in the 4th. I thought Jason was playing well over all, and while Spencer was getting his ass handed to him on the defensive end, at least he was kind of getting it back offensively, since his shot was on.

I still think Landry could be used a little better. He's not getting doubled in part because we're not isolating him much. We need to set him up as a threat in a game before the doubles will come. And playing him off the ball won't really work for that. That's why, even though it would mean yet another lineup change, I'm not against the idea of bringing him off the bench. On that note, with Noc playing better, I wouldn't be against starting him and trying to up his value before the season ends.

Anyway, solid effort over all. There were some things we could have done better obviously, but we got beat by the better team. It happens.

[ICMTM]

My comments weren't a knee jerk reaction to last night's game but more so my final opinion of our bigs. I don't really care who plays/starts at the 4/5 anymore.

[Bruteque]

The Kings bigs (all three) could not stop Gasol or Bynum. Had Kobe gave the ball up this game would have been over in the 2nd quarter!

I'm not big on Carl Landry!
Yeah he can score around the basket and has a nice jump shot, but he's not being doubled out there. He doesn't demand a double team in the post. He's a liability on defense because he's too short. His an adequate rebounder. He's just a good (not great) NBA player. We're better with him than before the trade. He's just not the guy the Kings marketing machine is making him to be.

I'm not big on Jason or Spencer either, but it's 100% clear to me that what we will need is ONE player that combines the qualities of the THREE of them, because they all have a serious deficiency. None of them are the long term solution the way I see it.

I don't think any of the three are just outright better than one another either.

The Magic were able to limit Bryant's effectiveness in last year's finals as well, but the Laker's frontline of Gasol, Bynum, and Odom destroyed Dwight Howard, Rashad Lewis, and Marcin Gortat on offense. I don't think adding any single big man not named Jesus Christ is going to stop the Lakers' front line.

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I don't know why Westbrook insists on using Evans to feed Landry on low post isolation plays. It makes absolutely no sense and it almost always ends in disaster whenever Westbrook tries it (most obvious example was 3rd quarter against Dallas). You need to send your non-shooter to the opposite side of the floor on low post isolation plays. It's basketball 101. If the double team comes , then you can swing the ball to your slashers and garbage players to attack the opposite side of the rim.

I counted a grand total of three games since the trade where teams were forced to commit to doubling Landry (all three were when the Kings were actually able to isolate Landry in the low post, mostly with Udrih and Garcia doing the feeding). All three games resulted in Kings wins with Evans putting up big offensive numbers. In only one of the three games were they able to limit Landry to poor shooting in the low post. I don't know why Westbrook doesn't do it more often. I mean, I think winning is more effective at selling it to the crowd than triple-doubles or trying to market the Evans-Landry two-man game.

In the Laker game, almost all of Landry's shots were either putbacks he grabbed off the offensive board or mid-range jumpers (more than half of them were off of Evans drives getting cut off by one of the Laker bigs). Why would any coach in his right mind, let alone Phil Jackson, double somebody shooting 18-foot jumpers? It's just not going to happen. The thing with jumpers is that, when they are falling, you spread the floor and give your teammates (Mr. Evans) room to attack the paint, and when they aren't you get knee-jerk reactions from coaches like Stan van Gundy (a.k.a. Mr. Panic, as Shaq so eloquently puts it).

Hawes and Thompson really aren't that bad on the offensive end. You have to consider the fact that playing with a primary ballhandler who requires room in the paint to operate is not easy for most bigs, especially a primary ballhandler who is disproportionately inclined to attacking the rim head on instead of to one side so opposing bigs have to leave the opposite side of the rim open to contest the drive. Good guards are supposed to create high-percentage shots for their bigs. Ultimately, chucking 25 kickout jumpers to teammates a game for 10 assists is not good basketball.

At some point, Westbrook has to man up and say, dude, playing good team basketball is more important than jacking up stats for any one or two guys.

[SacKingZZZ]

The Kings bigs (all three) could not stop Gasol or Bynum. Had Kobe gave the ball up this game would have been over in the 2nd quarter!

I'm not big on Carl Landry!
Yeah he can score around the basket and has a nice jump shot, but he's not being doubled out there. He doesn't demand a double team in the post. He's a liability on defense because he's too short. His an adequate rebounder. He's just a good (not great) NBA player. We're better with him than before the trade. He's just not the guy the Kings marketing machine is making him to be.

I'm not big on Jason or Spencer either, but it's 100% clear to me that what we will need is ONE player that combines the qualities of the THREE of them, because they all have a serious deficiency. None of them are the long term solution the way I see it.

I don't think any of the three are just outright better than one another either.

Actually, Carl has demanded a double almost every game at some point and more than any PF we've had since that Chris Webber guy. I was one of the ones claiming Landry was "average" and I have come to realize I really underestimated his consistent offensive abilities. Is he a superstar? No, but he is a damn fine player and could be a perfect 2nd options to Reke once they realize they need to give him some more space and one on one opportunities. In this game especially every time he got the ball someone, Noc at least 3 times that I counted, would run through the paint while he was trying to make his move. Defensively he's actually been pretty solid and I agreed with Jerry Reynolds, they should have put him on Bynum.

I think Landry could and should have a long term future here, his unreal efficiency is perfect next to a player like Reke because some nights he may very well have limited touches but it won't effect him as much as it would some other players.

[king125]

Landry is a perfect 3rd option on this team. We still need a Center that can be the #1 or #2 option to Tyreke. Our backcourt is great I think. Evans/Udrih/Garcia all work really well together and can play the 1 and 2. Both Donte and Omri are going to be solid for us in the future. We need a dominant Center.

Cousins!