Why can't we do simple math? Pound it inside!!!

[chefy]

so we just need to accept him for who he is? lol


hes a volume shooter ok but kobes waaaaaaaaaayyyy tooooo good to not find a way to adjust

he did it last year

[chefy]

Unquestionably, Kobe is our best player and one of the best of all - time. That said, he needs to play smarter with this team.

How is Phil free of any criticism when we play so lethargically at times and Kobe seems to do what he wants? I thought if you pay a coach $12 million, he is expected to manage / control the superstar , have a team that plays smart and hard every night, and has the NBA's best record and home court advantage throughout the playoffs when the owner puts up the highest payroll in the league...

Barring any injuries, if the Lakers do not win the title this year and into the near future, it will be at the feet of Kobe and Phil. They are playing with a stacked deck - putting it in poker terms for Dr. Buss...

It's not only that Kobe takes a lot of shots, he takes a lot of bad shots...is he suffering from "I.S. - Iverson Syndrome?" There are just too many possessions where a big doesn't even touch the ball. And this is occurring with Kobe going to the basket and dunking a lot less than even a couple of years ago - thus a lot lower percentage shots.

From the past knowing how much chemistry can be an issue, the Lakers have even put together a team of players whose personalities allow them to defer to Bryant. Most other players in the league would be bitching up a storm if they had Gasol's, Bynum's, or Odom's talent and got the ball as little as they do.

I don't mean to turn this into a Kobe bitch session as he is truly unbelievable, but he definitely needs to play smarter going forward as his physical skills decline and we have a team of all - stars that can help him carry the team to multiple championships.

Perhaps reducing his minutes a little bit more would help reduce his shot attempts and get him a little fresher for the playoffs.

+1 phil has to take some blame too

kobe's not only hurting the chemistry of the team...hes also hurting his career

[The Skyhook]

For as long as I remember Kobe has been a volume shooter to get the points he gets. He has all this talent around him and continues to be a volume shooter. Its obviously not going to change. But we have been winning and I don't see that changing either. The Lakers are going to continue to play the way they have been for the past few seasons. Its got them to the finals twice in the past two seasons.

We finally have a healthy Andrew Bynum. He appears to have his hops back. He is moving a lot better and hustling on both ends of the court. Something we never really got a glimpse of at this time of the season. We all thought that Bynum was healthy going into the playoffs this season but he clearly didn't have the mobility he does now. He couldn't really build up any momentum going into the playoffs last season but now in all of these interviews I see he seems more eager for the playoffs than ever before.

It would be great to see Kobe take less shots but its not going to happen. He isn't Magic Johnson. He is Kobe Bryant. You get what you he wants to give you and not what you want to see. Everyone needs to come down to earth and just enjoy the guy and what he does for this team before age kicks in. I guarantee you once that hits Kobe hard we will have guys making thread like "Remember when Kobe was young?' and all other sorts of nonsense.

kobe should adjust to the team not vice versa

I've already said that in the past and thought it would happen but it obviously hasn't happened. In a sense I have become hopeless and have just learned to accept the fact that it won't be happening.

[chefy]

For as long as I remember Kobe has been a volume shooter to get the points he gets. He has all this talent around him and continues to be a volume shooter. Its obviously not going to change. But we have been winning and I don't see that changing either. The Lakers are going to continue to play the way they have been for the past few seasons. Its got them to the finals twice in the past two seasons.

We finally have a healthy Andrew Bynum. He appears to have his hops back. He is moving a lot better and hustling on both ends of the court. Something we never really got a glimpse of at this time of the season. We all thought that Bynum was healthy going into the playoffs this season but he clearly didn't have the mobility he does now. He couldn't really build up any momentum going into the playoffs last season but now in all of these interviews I see he seems more eager for the playoffs than ever before.

It would be great to see Kobe take less shots but its not going to happen. He isn't Magic Johnson. He is Kobe Bryant. You get what you he wants to give you and not what you want to see. Everyone needs to come down to earth and just enjoy the guy and what he does for this team before age kicks in. I guarantee you once that hits Kobe hard we will have guys making thread like "Remember when Kobe was young?' and all other sorts of nonsense.

kobe should adjust to the team not vice versa

I've already said that in the past and thought it would happen but it obviously hasn't happened. In a sense I have become hopeless and have just learned to accept the fact that it won't be happening.

20.9 fga last year, 18.1 fga 2004

like I said hes way too good to not find a way to adjust

[magic1fan]

there has NEVER been a scorer in this league that is a franchise type player to take less than 20-25 shots a game.............EVER.

Lebron and Wade aren't franchise players? Really?

Kobe should not be shooting this much, period. People keep saying how his teammates will miss shots, but Kobe has missed plenty himself including a month where he shot 41%. We can't win the game as consistently as we used to with Kobe doing that, unless his fingers magically heal itself he shouldn't force the issue like this.

Once again you're wrong........the reason being you FAILED to research the facts. In the 7 years LeBron James has been in the league he's averaged 20 shots or more in 5 of those seasons. And his career average is 20.8, so thanks for proving my point.

Oh yeah for the record Wade averaged 22.0 shots in 2008/09 and 20.1 this season. Kobe's career average is 19.3, LeBron has him beat by a full shot per game in less time played. So who's the gunner.

Go look up the facts before you come with your off beat free style. Like I said you'll NEVER find a franchise player or 1st option to average less than 20 shot a game. So nothing Kobe has done or is currently doing is out of the norm.

once again deep has brought common sense back to the thread but sadly it's no use. some people still need a reason to complain about something.

[iamworthy]

This thread has potential to be a classic!

[iamworthy]

Unquestionably, Kobe is our best player and one of the best of all - time. That said, he needs to play smarter with this team.

How is Phil free of any criticism when we play so lethargically at times and Kobe seems to do what he wants? I thought if you pay a coach $12 million, he is expected to manage / control the superstar , have a team that plays smart and hard every night, and has the NBA's best record and home court advantage throughout the playoffs when the owner puts up the highest payroll in the league...

Barring any injuries, if the Lakers do not win the title this year and into the near future, it will be at the feet of Kobe and Phil. They are playing with a stacked deck - putting it in poker terms for Dr. Buss...

It's not only that Kobe takes a lot of shots, he takes a lot of bad shots...is he suffering from "I.S. - Iverson Syndrome?" There are just too many possessions where a big doesn't even touch the ball. And this is occurring with Kobe going to the basket and dunking a lot less than even a couple of years ago - thus a lot lower percentage shots.

From the past knowing how much chemistry can be an issue, the Lakers have even put together a team of players whose personalities allow them to defer to Bryant. Most other players in the league would be bitching up a storm if they had Gasol's, Bynum's, or Odom's talent and got the ball as little as they do.

I don't mean to turn this into a Kobe bitch session as he is truly unbelievable, but he definitely needs to play smarter going forward as his physical skills decline and we have a team of all - stars that can help him carry the team to multiple championships.

Perhaps reducing his minutes a little bit more would help reduce his shot attempts and get him a little fresher for the playoffs.

+1 phil has to take some blame too

kobe's not only hurting the chemistry of the team...hes also hurting his career

Is this a joke?

[chefy]

Unquestionably, Kobe is our best player and one of the best of all - time. That said, he needs to play smarter with this team.

How is Phil free of any criticism when we play so lethargically at times and Kobe seems to do what he wants? I thought if you pay a coach $12 million, he is expected to manage / control the superstar , have a team that plays smart and hard every night, and has the NBA's best record and home court advantage throughout the playoffs when the owner puts up the highest payroll in the league...

Barring any injuries, if the Lakers do not win the title this year and into the near future, it will be at the feet of Kobe and Phil. They are playing with a stacked deck - putting it in poker terms for Dr. Buss...

It's not only that Kobe takes a lot of shots, he takes a lot of bad shots...is he suffering from "I.S. - Iverson Syndrome?" There are just too many possessions where a big doesn't even touch the ball. And this is occurring with Kobe going to the basket and dunking a lot less than even a couple of years ago - thus a lot lower percentage shots.

From the past knowing how much chemistry can be an issue, the Lakers have even put together a team of players whose personalities allow them to defer to Bryant. Most other players in the league would be bitching up a storm if they had Gasol's, Bynum's, or Odom's talent and got the ball as little as they do.

I don't mean to turn this into a Kobe bitch session as he is truly unbelievable, but he definitely needs to play smarter going forward as his physical skills decline and we have a team of all - stars that can help him carry the team to multiple championships.

Perhaps reducing his minutes a little bit more would help reduce his shot attempts and get him a little fresher for the playoffs.

+1 phil has to take some blame too

kobe's not only hurting the chemistry of the team...hes also hurting his career

Is this a joke?

players role/mins in a team decreases when they get older

it would help prevent injuries, fatigue

more mins = more mileage = faster the body breakdown

[iamworthy]

+1 phil has to take some blame too

kobe's not only hurting the chemistry of the team...hes also hurting his career

Is this a joke?

players role/mins in a team decreases when they get older

it would help prevent injuries, fatigue

more mins = more mileage = faster the body breakdown

What does your comment have to do with this statement again?

[Mindflayer]

There a very easy way for the other Laker players to get Kobe's shots down. PLAY BETTER and start blowing out teams so Kobe's on the bench in the 4th quarter. Start with tonight's game againt Minnesota.

[Anklebreaker702]

gasol,bynum,artest,odom >>>> lebron & wade's teammates the past 3 seasons

18.8 wades fga when they won a chip

pierce fga also went down when celtics got kg,ray

has there been a franchise player who averaged as much fga as the 2nd, 3rd option?

Chefy, that isn't what was in question. Sometimes it's really hard for guys to stick to the subject. Once again Microfib quoted without facts & DEEP called him on it. No more, no less.

[chefy]

gasol,bynum,artest,odom >>>> lebron & wade's teammates the past 3 seasons

18.8 wades fga when they won a chip

pierce fga also went down when celtics got kg,ray

has there been a franchise player who averaged as much fga as the 2nd, 3rd option?

Chefy, that isn't what was in question. Sometimes it's really hard for guys to stick to the subject. Once again Microfib quoted without facts & DEEP called him on it. No more, no less.

huh?

I was just doing the same thing deep did

plus why wouldn't be the players they're playing with wouldn't be a factor?

[microfib4thewin]

Once again you're wrong........the reason being you FAILED to research the facts. In the 7 years LeBron James has been in the league he's averaged 20 shots or more in 5 of those seasons. And his career average is 20.8, so thanks for proving my point.

Oh yeah for the record Wade averaged 22.0 shots in 2008/09 and 20.1 this season. Kobe's career average is 19.3, LeBron has him beat by a full shot per game in less time played. So who's the gunner.

Go look up the facts before you come with your off beat free style. Like I said you'll NEVER find a franchise player or 1st option to average less than 20 shot a game. So nothing Kobe has done or is currently doing is out of the norm.

As someone pointed out, Wade has been playing with less support than Kobe since 2008, and Lebron's cast has been consistently worse than Kobe for his entire career. Seeing as how Lebron and Wade are averaging just above 20 shots you're arguing nothing but semantics. They're also not banged up with only 7 working fingers. But who cares about that? As long as it's Kobe Bryant he is excused from anything even if it means he's going to shoot 25 times just to prove some of us wrong.

[DubaLakers]

Yo Viper, I wish math was that simple.