Chris Bosh Sign and Trade Ideas

[So Clutch]

Here's the thing with leverage. In a regular trade, we would be in the driver seat to make a trade when we got a good offer. With a s&t it's usualy already established the player is leaving, and this is a way they can get the most money possible, despite leaving the team. Now, if a team is over the cap, so like Lakers, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Cleveland (if LeBron stays) this is the only way they can get Bosh. In a regular FA scenario only teams with capspace could get the player, through s&t any team the player wants to go to is in play. With Bosh seeing himself as a max player, it helps as it means extra incentive for him to sign with us no matter where he goes, and he expects wherever he goes to be willing to pay it. Now, the teams that are under the cap, MIA NY CHI Clippers NJ do not need us to sign CB to a max deal, but they do for CB to get the deal he feels he deserves. Teams without capspace have to send contracts back near CB's new deal, teams under the cap don't, they just have to satisfy us, so that we agree to do it. If we don't it would mean less money for CB so it may impact where he wants to sign. If there's only one place CB will consider playing, then no, we would not have a whole lot of leverege to stand between where a player wants to go by playing hardball. It's important to have a good relationship with the player and the players agent. I think with the cap going down, BC figured a lot of teams would not clear the space, but with chi and houston-NY doing their deals, chi has capspace and NY has enough space for two. Still, they will need to give us something.

If CB wants to leave I think the best bet for us is Houston, and don't think Morey doesn't know it. I think Amare will go to Mia with Wade, not sure about LeBron, if CB leaves I think he goes to NY with JJ or Lebron, or to Chicago or houston.

If he goes to NY I think we get Lee and TPE

From chicago Gibson, Johnson, +pick

Houston, we could get anything but Brooks and Yao

Now you throw a 3rd team in there. Things get harder to predict. I love for us to somehow acquire the rights to rubio. Also, if Amare leave PHX you have to wonder if they are going to want to rebuild and part with Nash. BC should try to connect with the agents of players who would ask to be traded here.

How big is "where Chris wants to go" going to be a factor. What if the team he wants to go to is going to offer us ****. Are we going to take it up the ass just so we can have a good reputation with agents? I sure as hell hope not.

[Dr Positivity]

An interesting 3 way deal would be

Miami gets
Bosh 126 mil S&T

Memphis gets
Michael Beasley
Daequon Cook

Toronto gets:
Hasheem Thabeet
James Jones

If Miami dumps Beasley/Jones/Cook they free 9 mil of capspace. Arguably for a win now team who has a PF, 9 mil on the market is > Beasley. And this way they keep their two 14-20 picks. Miami may prefer this deal to giving two mid 1sts and getting only 2-4 mil of extra capspace. I'd personally rather have two mid 1sts alone than Beasley

As for us I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on Thabeet. He's looked better lately and if he panned out would be the perfect fit beside Bargs. The other reason I like him is he'd probably never be a bolting threat as a guy who didn't grow up in the States. Not that Thabeet would ever be a "star" guy looking for the spotlight anyways though. That's one of the reasons I'm not really on board with trading Bosh for Bynum. Bynum's contract runs out in 2013 and if Bosh isn't staying, what are the chances Bynum would, the immature guy who's been a Lakers star since 16? He may even pull a "refuse to report"

[Crazy-Canuck]

Bosh/Hedo for Deng/Gibson and 2010 1st rd pick (hoping for Favors here)

I think the Bulls have enough space for the salaries to work.

[sanity]

We're not going to get better talent back for Bosh so settling for lesser pieces to add to the collection of overpaid misfits we already have would pretty much bury us for the next 3-4 years. I'd much rather we use Bosh to get picks and gain flexibility at this point - that means using him to dump Hedo's contract. I think Houston is one of the few teams that can accommodate that. I suggested this in multiple other threads but something like Bosh and Hedo to Rockets for Ariza, Battier, Jefferies, Hayes, Andersen and the Knicks' picks works. We start rebuilding right with a core of Bargnani, Derozan, Jack etc., a couple of potential lottery picks over the next 2 years, and a ton of cap flexibility going forward. The Rockets add Bosh and Hedo to a core of Yao, Martin, Brooks, Scola, Hill, Budinger and their lottery pick this year.

Best outcome for us imo. Even though I feel Ariza is one of the most overrated players in the league, I'd gladly take Battier, Jeffries and Hayes as roleplayers. I think this trade could be done at the expense of Bosh alone. Turkoglu would look great alongside a competent perimeter defender (and corner 3pt shooter) like Battier. I'd offer them Andrea too if it means taking back one of Brooks or Scola.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

We're not going to get better talent back for Bosh so settling for lesser pieces to add to the collection of overpaid misfits we already have would pretty much bury us for the next 3-4 years. I'd much rather we use Bosh to get picks and gain flexibility at this point - that means using him to dump Hedo's contract. I think Houston is one of the few teams that can accommodate that. I suggested this in multiple other threads but something like Bosh and Hedo to Rockets for Ariza, Battier, Jefferies, Hayes, Andersen and the Knicks' picks works. We start rebuilding right with a core of Bargnani, Derozan, Jack etc., a couple of potential lottery picks over the next 2 years, and a ton of cap flexibility going forward. The Rockets add Bosh and Hedo to a core of Yao, Martin, Brooks, Scola, Hill, Budinger and their lottery pick this year.

Best outcome for us imo. Even though I feel Ariza is one of the most overrated players in the league, I'd gladly take Battier, Jeffries and Hayes as roleplayers. I think this trade could be done at the expense of Bosh alone. Turkoglu would look great alongside a competent perimeter defender (and corner 3pt shooter) like Battier. I'd offer them Andrea too if it means taking back one of Brooks or Scola.

I heard Morey on NBATV. They were talking about Martin, but it also made me think of CB, in his thought process is to bring in players who get fouled a lot. He feels. with the other team in the Bonus, Yao becomes the best player in the league because he's hard to stop without fouling on the catch and the rate he makes his FT's.

[Dr Positivity]

Here's the thing with leverage. In a regular trade, we would be in the driver seat to make a trade when we got a good offer. With a s&t it's usualy already established the player is leaving, and this is a way they can get the most money possible, despite leaving the team. Now, if a team is over the cap, so like Lakers, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Cleveland (if LeBron stays) this is the only way they can get Bosh. In a regular FA scenario only teams with capspace could get the player, through s&t any team the player wants to go to is in play. With Bosh seeing himself as a max player, it helps as it means extra incentive for him to sign with us no matter where he goes, and he expects wherever he goes to be willing to pay it. Now, the teams that are under the cap, MIA NY CHI Clippers NJ do not need us to sign CB to a max deal, but they do for CB to get the deal he feels he deserves. Teams without capspace have to send contracts back near CB's new deal, teams under the cap don't, they just have to satisfy us, so that we agree to do it. If we don't it would mean less money for CB so it may impact where he wants to sign. If there's only one place CB will consider playing, then no, we would not have a whole lot of leverege to stand between where a player wants to go by playing hardball. It's important to have a good relationship with the player and the players agent. I think with the cap going down, BC figured a lot of teams would not clear the space, but with chi and houston-NY doing their deals, chi has capspace and NY has enough space for two. Still, they will need to give us something.

If CB wants to leave I think the best bet for us is Houston, and don't think Morey doesn't know it. I think Amare will go to Mia with Wade, not sure about LeBron, if CB leaves I think he goes to NY with JJ or Lebron, or to Chicago or houston.

If he goes to NY I think we get Lee and TPE

From chicago Gibson, Johnson, +pick

Houston, we could get anything but Brooks and Yao

Now you throw a 3rd team in there. Things get harder to predict. I love for us to somehow acquire the rights to rubio. Also, if Amare leave PHX you have to wonder if they are going to want to rebuild and part with Nash. BC should try to connect with the agents of players who would ask to be traded here.

How big is "where Chris wants to go" going to be a factor. What if the team he wants to go to is going to offer us ****. Are we going to take it up the ass just so we can have a good reputation with agents? I sure as hell hope not.

It's huge. Bosh in all likelihood will get both his wishes this summer... Where he wants to play and the 126 mil contract.

As for the "offering us ****" bit. It depends what you qualify as ****. Us and Phx will likely get one-two mid 1sts and a TPE for Bosh/Amare as they tell their new teams they're not signing unless it's for 126 (and we won't S&T without a price). If you're expecting a Noah like return, it's not happening.

Two 14-20 1sts and a TPE is a decent return. I'd love to package them together and move into the top 10, then pick Cole Aldrich. Derozan/Bargnani/Aldrich... not a bad way to start over

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

Here's the thing with leverage. In a regular trade, we would be in the driver seat to make a trade when we got a good offer. With a s&t it's usualy already established the player is leaving, and this is a way they can get the most money possible, despite leaving the team. Now, if a team is over the cap, so like Lakers, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Cleveland (if LeBron stays) this is the only way they can get Bosh. In a regular FA scenario only teams with capspace could get the player, through s&t any team the player wants to go to is in play. With Bosh seeing himself as a max player, it helps as it means extra incentive for him to sign with us no matter where he goes, and he expects wherever he goes to be willing to pay it. Now, the teams that are under the cap, MIA NY CHI Clippers NJ do not need us to sign CB to a max deal, but they do for CB to get the deal he feels he deserves. Teams without capspace have to send contracts back near CB's new deal, teams under the cap don't, they just have to satisfy us, so that we agree to do it. If we don't it would mean less money for CB so it may impact where he wants to sign. If there's only one place CB will consider playing, then no, we would not have a whole lot of leverege to stand between where a player wants to go by playing hardball. It's important to have a good relationship with the player and the players agent. I think with the cap going down, BC figured a lot of teams would not clear the space, but with chi and houston-NY doing their deals, chi has capspace and NY has enough space for two. Still, they will need to give us something.

If CB wants to leave I think the best bet for us is Houston, and don't think Morey doesn't know it. I think Amare will go to Mia with Wade, not sure about LeBron, if CB leaves I think he goes to NY with JJ or Lebron, or to Chicago or houston.

If he goes to NY I think we get Lee and TPE

From chicago Gibson, Johnson, +pick

Houston, we could get anything but Brooks and Yao

Now you throw a 3rd team in there. Things get harder to predict. I love for us to somehow acquire the rights to rubio. Also, if Amare leave PHX you have to wonder if they are going to want to rebuild and part with Nash. BC should try to connect with the agents of players who would ask to be traded here.

How big is "where Chris wants to go" going to be a factor. What if the team he wants to go to is going to offer us ****. Are we going to take it up the ass just so we can have a good reputation with agents? I sure as hell hope not.

It's big, and will be the most important factor, but that doens't mean we get crap. I really think we should have dealt him last year at the trade deadline, before we made the JO deal, but whatever. Things will happen fast and teams won't be so confident to think they are the only place. To not agree with TO, is like not meeting CB's terms. Now, we need to be reasonable, but if we are, and they want CB, there's no reason to think we won't work something out. The people who try to judge the trade on equal value for CB will be disappointed. Those ideas are a year or two old, and did those people really want BC to trade CB? probably not. It will be easy to say BC messed up, but remember, I think everyone wanted CB to re-sign, BC tried to leave a chance for that, and a few weeks ago, it looked good. Now it doesn't. Teams over cap, we get players picks or expiring contracts, teams with capspace, young players picks and a Trade Exemption. But who knows what BC can do with a trade exemption.

[miamiballer]

i see a of trades here that involve chris bosh sign and trade along with either hedo or turkoglu...except you cant trade players with someone who is being signed and traded

[ATLTimekeeper]

TPE is useless. It's just an invitation to take on bad money. Good for competitive teams, but bad for rebuilding ones, especially heading into a new CBA.

A team with capspace won't offer much, a team without capspace makes it interesting. At that point, it's about where Bosh wants to go. He could go with Wade in Miami and a bunch of 2nd rounders, or he could see about an S&T with Denver and play on an established contender with Melo and Billups. Bet we could get more than 2 firsts out of them. I think the same goes around the horn for competitive teams needing that extra push.

[navibharj]

Send him to the Clippers.....package him with DeRozan (+ fillers if neccessary) for Kaman and Eric Gordon.

Gordan ceiling higher than DeRozan and we push Bargs to PF where he can do damage...Kaman does rebounding and dirty work (also pair up love brothers Kaman + Evans)

Clippers get arguably best post combo of Bosh + Griffin

*bosh wont wanna go to clippers as i see it tho...

[LittleOzzy]

i see a of trades here that involve chris bosh sign and trade along with either hedo or turkoglu...except you cant trade players with someone who is being signed and traded

Huh? Hedo and Turkoglu are the same player? Haha, did you mean Calderon?

[miamiballer]

^ yeah sorry that

[Zeno]

No one likes my Bosh and Calderon for Parker and Jefferson trade?

[Dr Positivity]

- The number of PF's available this offseason at less than a 6 year max contract hurts Toronto. Boozer, Amare and Lee will all be available for much less than 6/130. Teams like Miami aren't going to give up the farm for Bosh when they can get Amare for free and a much smaller contract.

IMO this is one of the most important parts when it comes to Bosh S&T value and I'm not positive which way it will go

If Amare is willing to sign for 97 in Miami we may be in trouble with Bosh's return. Because when Bosh tells them to make the 126 mil deal happen before signs, they could say "then we'll just take Amare". Then Bosh would have a decision of 97 in Miami vs 126 in Chicago... and he could choose Miami of those two and we'd get screwed over

However if Phx treats the Amare situation identically to us and Bosh... meaning Amare tells Miami he wants 126 mil to sign there, then Phx sets the price for that as at least a 1st + TPE... then Miami's decision will be giving 1 or 2 1sts for Bosh/Amare or Boozer/Lee for free... of those I think they pay up for Bosh

I'm guessing it'll be the 2nd situation but who knows? One thing I can say is it seems like Amare more than Bosh would put the 126 mil max ahead of where he ends up and would be open to multiple teams as long as he got the max. I'd see him choosing 126 in NY over 97 in Miami. So it's unlikely he has "signing straight up in Miami" on the table. Amare will follow the money IMO

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

Send him to the Clippers.....package him with DeRozan (+ fillers if neccessary) for Kaman and Eric Gordon.

Gordan ceiling higher than DeRozan and we push Bargs to PF where he can do damage...Kaman does rebounding and dirty work (also pair up love brothers Kaman + Evans)

Clippers get arguably best post combo of Bosh + Griffin

*bosh wont wanna go to clippers as i see it tho...

That's the thing with the S&T. I think you can take MIni, Utah, Clippers, Golden State, even OKC (honestly I don't see OKC breaking up that core anyway) anyplace you doubt would be high on CB's wishlist are not likely. Similarly, Teams that you think may be high on his list, are very likely.

[zilby]

Wasn't there a thread on this yesterday that was moved?

Anyways LAL for Bynum. That is if he wants to bolt.

[Volcano]

I don't care anymore, just get Bosh's whiny bitch face out of Toronto

I think you got Bosh confused with Raptor fans or the mirror.

[FirstInkTDot]

1) Bosh Signed for the Maximum Contract and Traded to MIA along with Calderon for:
TOR 2010 1st round pick
MIA 2010 1st round pick
Mario Chalmers
Daequan Cook
TPE

2) Bosh Signed for Maximum Contract and Traded to OKC with Belinelli for:
Jeff Green
2010 1st Round Pick
Eric Maynor
Thabo Sefolosha

3) Bosh Signed for the Maximum Contract and Traded with Calderon and Belinelli for
A Signed and Traded David Lee
Eddy Curry
Wilson Chandler
2011 2nd Round Pick

Personally I would HATE to see CB4 leave but if it comes down to it--I prefer scenerio number 3.
We get a legit big man to put next to Bargs and a good SF in Chandler along with money in 2011. The only problem will be to somehow get rid of Turk's contract

I like this

[LittleOzzy]

Wasn't there a thread on this yesterday that was moved?

That's why I said in the original post that we had noticed an increase in this type of thread and instead of moving them to the trade board we would simply merged them here.

[MEDIC]

I used to like the proposed deal with Chicago for Deng/ Noah, but I am kind of shying away from it now because of the injury issues with both players.

I hope if there is a deal done, it's Houston. They have the assets that we need.

Plus, I'd love to see Bosh paired up with Yao & Martin. If Yao was healthy, they'd become an instant contender.