Chris Bosh Sign and Trade Ideas

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Rockets

Yao Ming for Bosh straight up

OKC

Jeff Green, Collison, Krstic for Bosh

[The Duke]

i see a of trades here that involve chris bosh sign and trade along with either hedo or turkoglu...except you cant trade players with someone who is being signed and traded

False

example... Shawn Marion (S+T) + Humphries to Dallas where we also got back Hedo

[red96]

Rockets

Yao Ming for Bosh straight up

From a financial standpoint, nor you, I, or anyone would trade Yao for Bosh straight up. Les (owner) has other financial ventures in China because of Yao. And Yao still doesn't make the Raptors contenders anyways.

Oh, and a serious question for Raptors fans. Why would you guys want David Lee or any other expensive PF thats not a good as Bosh if he leaves? From my outside looking it POV it would seem to only waste time with a team that wouldn't be as good as the one that had Bosh.

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I'm guessing the deal will be

Miami gets
Bosh 126 mil S&T

Toronto gets
Toronto 2010 1st
Miami 2010 1st (I could see them squeezing us and making it the 2011 pick, though)
James Jones
Daequon Cook
TPE

Miami gives 2 picks but also clears 4 mil in capspace. We can possibly package our two 14-20 picks into a top 10 one or just pick two players.

That's crazy. Why would we want James Jones? He's useless and even if his partial team option were used would saddle us with $2 million a year for two years for a waived player. You can argue about this pick or that pick, Cook is no better than Belinelli, so if I don't see the need for Cook or Jones. I'd tell Bosh to sign for five if the price is $5 million in deadweight.

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Because the Rashard Lewis to Orl deal didn't have much coming back from what I can recall.....

Because Seattle didn't want to re-sign Lewis and surrendered all leverage. I can also tell you about the trade between Charlotte and Miami that S&T'd Eddie Jones to the Heat for Jamal Mashburn among others. Liberated from the Heat where he was a solid player, Mash became an all-star in Charlotte. It's all about leverage and so long as Bosh wants a six year deal, the Raptors have some leverage.

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If it's team over the cap, like Dallas, then they have to send back salaries matching 125% + $100,000 of Bosh's salary.

To clarify, it's plus/minus 25% of Bosh salary, i.e. it could be less than we send out. Doesn't have to be 25% more.

[bboyskinnylegs]

There would be some contingencies based on if we have our pick or not this year.

If it's Miami, I'd like to see if we could get Beasley and one (or possibly both, if we make the playoffs) 1st's.
We would probably look at moving either Bargs/Beasley for a wing (OJ Mayo ), and use the picks on C prospects. Alternatively we could try to move Beasley for Thabeet, who I think can develop into a real defensive centre.

If Chicago, I'd really hope they do Deng, 2010 pick, and rights to Omer Asik. Deng would bring the rebounding and defense we need at the 3 (and hopefully trading Hedo would become our top priority, if it isn't already).
The pick(s) could hopefully land us a C prospect, perhaps Monroe/Whiteside/Alabi. Asik is a beast rebounder/shotblocker. Hopefully, one or both pan out into a solid defensive C presence for us.

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I'm thinking something surrounding OKC and Jeff Green (hopefully Russell Westbrook though).

Not a chance Westbrook is in a sign and trade. Harden, maybe Green.

[Dr Positivity]

I'm guessing the deal will be

Miami gets
Bosh 126 mil S&T

Toronto gets
Toronto 2010 1st
Miami 2010 1st (I could see them squeezing us and making it the 2011 pick, though)
James Jones
Daequon Cook
TPE

Miami gives 2 picks but also clears 4 mil in capspace. We can possibly package our two 14-20 picks into a top 10 one or just pick two players.

That's crazy. Why would we want James Jones? He's useless and even if his partial team option were used would saddle us with $2 million a year for two years for a waived player. You can argue about this pick or that pick, Cook is no better than Belinelli, so if I don't see the need for Cook or Jones. I'd tell Bosh to sign for five if the price is $5 million in deadweight.

We wouldn't WANT Jones/Cook, it'd be part of the price to get both 2010 mid 1sts. I suspect Miami will want to do it for 1 1st, we will want 2 without deadweight, so the 2 1sts/Jones and Cook dead weight deal will be the middle ground.

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- The number of PF's available this offseason at less than a 6 year max contract hurts Toronto. Boozer, Amare and Lee will all be available for much less than 6/130. Teams like Miami aren't going to give up the farm for Bosh when they can get Amare for free and a much smaller contract.

That's actually Bosh's problem more so than the Raptors. It may mean we overpay for Bosh, but we're in no position to quibble, but some of those other teams he might want to go to might prefer the greater value for money of Boozer or Lee or Amare.

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We wouldn't WANT Jones/Cook, it'd be part of the price to get both 2010 mid 1sts. Miami will likely push for 1 1st as their S&T offer, we will push for 2... In the end both teams will settle on two with Jones/Cook coming back

No that's wrong headed. Adding in $5 million in deadweight salary reduces our trade exception. We can get a crappy first - as good as a 2011 Miami pick - by brokering trades with the larger trade exception.

There is really NO need to take on Jones/Cook. That's a deal breaker.

[D-Wins-RingsIMO]

so I guess the consensus is we have no shot at the young studs - Horford, Lopez and Noah

this off-season is going to suck

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i see a of trades here that involve chris bosh sign and trade along with either hedo or turkoglu...except you cant trade players with someone who is being signed and traded

Yes you can.

Show me in the Salary Cap F@Q where it says you can't.

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TPE is useless. It's just an invitation to take on bad money. Good for competitive teams, but bad for rebuilding ones, especially heading into a new CBA.

Actually, it's the opposite, It's good for rebuilding teams because you take on players in the final year o two of their contracts and get extra draft picks in compensation.

Take Orlando and Rashard Lewis.

Seattle signed and traded Lewis to Orlando, got a big trade exception, took Kurt Thomas plus two first rounders from PHX using that trade exception, and eventually traded Thomas to SAS for another first. You wonder how OKC has been building so well, well Durant and Westbrook are only part of it. Follow how they have used cap space.

[So Clutch]

I'm thinking something surrounding OKC and Jeff Green (hopefully Russell Westbrook though).

Not a chance Westbrook is in a sign and trade. Harden, maybe Green.

I would be satisfied with that, I feel like Harden is being slept on right now because he doesn;t have as big a role as Tyreke, Stephen and Brandon because hes playing sixth man for a solid OKC backcourt.

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TPE is useless. It's just an invitation to take on bad money. Good for competitive teams, but bad for rebuilding ones, especially heading into a new CBA.

Actually, it's the opposite, It's good for rebuilding teams because you take on players in the final year o two of their contracts and get extra draft picks in compensation.

Take Orlando and Rashard Lewis.

Seattle signed and traded Lewis to Orlando, got a big trade exception, took Kurt Thomas plus two first rounders from PHX using that trade exception, and eventually traded Thomas to SAS for another first. You wonder how OKC has been building so well, well Durant and Westbrook are only part of it. Follow how they have used cap space.

What PHX did was retarted. They traded a solid player on a fair contract and draft picks for capspace (owner being cheap). When was the last time that happend besides that incident?

[Dr Positivity]

We wouldn't WANT Jones/Cook, it'd be part of the price to get both 2010 mid 1sts. Miami will likely push for 1 1st as their S&T offer, we will push for 2... In the end both teams will settle on two with Jones/Cook coming back

No that's wrong headed. Adding in $5 million in deadweight salary reduces our trade exception. We can get a crappy first - as good as a 2011 Miami pick - by brokering trades with the larger trade exception.

There is really NO need to take on Jones/Cook. That's a deal breaker.

I guess BC's bargaining skill will come into play. Remember this is the same Riley who pulled a 1st + Moon + dumping Banks out of the JO Marion deal. I see Riley offering one of the 14-20 1sts and then using the other to dump Jones and Cook. Jones really hurts our TPE though you're right, I believe he'd cut 4.6 mil out of it as that's his pre waiving trade hit, even though after getting waived he will only be paid 1.8 next year. So he and Cook would take more like 7 mil out of the TPE. For that reason I'd try to reroute Cook to Memphis or something

[Courtside]

What PHX did was retarted. They traded a solid player on a fair contract and draft picks for capspace (owner being cheap). When was the last time that happend besides that incident?

The thing to keep in mind is that it's going to happen even more in the next couple of years. The economy has killed a lot of owner's other interests and many teams have been hurting in a major way in terms of ticket sales and sponsorships. BC has often said that we're more likely to be buyers and if we were to free up space in the case of a Bosh departure, you can bet many teams would be looking to us to make deals with. They'd give up a player of whatever value, plus a pick to grease the wheels.

[So Clutch]

What PHX did was retarted. They traded a solid player on a fair contract and draft picks for capspace (owner being cheap). When was the last time that happend besides that incident?

The thing to keep in mind is that it's going to happen even more in the next couple of years. The economy has killed a lot of owner's other interests and many teams have been hurting in a major way in terms of ticket sales and sponsorships. BC has often said that we're more likely to be buyers and if we were to free up space in the case of a Bosh departure, you can bet many teams would be looking to us to make deals with. They'd give up a player of whatever value, plus a pick to grease the wheels.

We're buyers with Bosh, I highly doubt we still would be if our franchise player just left.

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We wouldn't WANT Jones/Cook, it'd be part of the price to get both 2010 mid 1sts. Miami will likely push for 1 1st as their S&T offer, we will push for 2... In the end both teams will settle on two with Jones/Cook coming back

No that's wrong headed. Adding in $5 million in deadweight salary reduces our trade exception. We can get a crappy first - as good as a 2011 Miami pick - by brokering trades with the larger trade exception.

There is really NO need to take on Jones/Cook. That's a deal breaker.

I guess BC's bargaining skill will come into play. Remember this is the same Riley who pulled a 1st + Moon + dumping Banks out of the JO Marion deal. I see Riley offering one of the 14-20 1sts and then using the other to dump Jones and Cook. Jones really hurts our TPE though you're right, I believe he'd cut 4.6 mil out of it as that's his pre waiving trade hit, even though after getting waived he will only be paid 1.8 next year. So he and Cook would take more like 7 mil out of the TPE. For that reason I'd try to reroute Cook to Memphis or something

There is no such thing as re-route to Memphis as Memphis will be over the cap if the owner's promise to match any offer for Rudy Gay is not a lie.

We're not giving up that much of any TPE. Get it through your head. Miami picks won't be worth much and ours is still lottery protected until 2014. It's not worth $7 million in crap takebacks to agree to such a trade. Bosh will have to take a 5 yr deal or go somewhere else.