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Re: Rookie of the Year. Is there any debate? 

Post#41 » by heybuckfan » Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:37 am

I wasn't impressed much from Evans against milwaukee. This was just one of the few times I've seen him play, and he's a good slash and finisher but that's about all I saw. Kind of disappointed from all the hype I've heard.
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Re: Rookie of the Year. Is there any debate? 

Post#42 » by pillwenney » Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:52 am

heybuckfan wrote:I wasn't impressed much from Evans against milwaukee. This was just one of the few times I've seen him play, and he's a good slash and finisher but that's about all I saw. Kind of disappointed from all the hype I've heard.


That's probably why judging a player based off of very little is silly and ridiculous.

I honestly don't understand why people don't see this more often. Tyreke averages 20, 5, and 5 and a limited number of TO's all things considered. Tonight he didn't really play near those averages. Thus tonight was not the type of game you generally see from Tyreke Evans.
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Re: Rookie of the Year. Is there any debate? 

Post#43 » by Newz » Sat Mar 20, 2010 2:41 pm

I've seen Evans play about 15 times or so this year... Last night was the worst that I have seen him play.

I think (personally) that he is a 2-guard... But a 2-guard in the same sense that Wade is. The offense will run smoother with a pure PG next to him, but he will still do most of the handling/distributing.

He is unreal when he sees an opening and for a guy his size, extremely fast. I would be disappointed in him if he wasn't in the top 5 in FTA's per game in the next couple of years.

Excellent court vision for a 2 and bigger than anyone else that plays his position in the league. He's a match-up nightmare when you put him at either guard spot and is even bigger than most 3's.

Looks like he has the potential to be a stud defender (kind of like Ron Artest, very similar size) as well.

His weaknesses right now are that he needs to continue to improve his decision making and he doesn't look comfortable shooting his jumper. These are very common in young players and both correctable. Evans would be in my top 5-10 guys I would want to start a franchise with.

I think he's still the ROY even if he misses the rest of the season and I would take him over anyone in last years draft.

Through the Jennings vs. Evans and Kings vs Bucks hate, that's my scouting report on him. :D
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Re: Rookie of the Year. Is there any debate? 

Post#44 » by darkadun » Sat Mar 20, 2010 3:39 pm

Good analysis, I agree.

But I think he can play the 1, there are times this year that he has really focused on getting his teamates open shots, sometimes they make them, other times they miss, but he has had some great games this year in that regard. I think they way they switch between him and Beno creates a little inconsistency in this regard, some games it does seem as tho beno is running the point more.
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Re: Rookie of the Year. Is there any debate? 

Post#45 » by Newz » Sat Mar 20, 2010 4:32 pm

darkadun wrote:Good analysis, I agree.

But I think he can play the 1, there are times this year that he has really focused on getting his teamates open shots, sometimes they make them, other times they miss, but he has had some great games this year in that regard. I think they way they switch between him and Beno creates a little inconsistency in this regard, some games it does seem as tho beno is running the point more.


Well Evans certainly can play three different positions. He has the size and ability to play the 1-2-3. I just (personally) think he is best at the 2-guard. That's not a knock on him or anything, he's going to be a great player regardless.

I think the first thing you guys need, that I have seen, is a big man who can protect the basket on the defensive end. I think you could use another outside shooter, though it doesn't have to be a great player...

But I think offensively, you guys need a PG who will just run the show, get out of Evans way and knock down the open shots. Have a majority of your sets run through Evans, but then have the PG take control from time to time and focus on getting the ball to others.

Just IMO, Evans is his best when he is in attack mode, looking to score. He is unstoppable when he is taking the ball to the bucket and looking to score. He's going to get a good look or fouled most of the time. I think he should focus on that aspect of his game, like Wade has, rather than being a pure PG like someone in the mold of a guy like Magic Johnson or something.

I also think his size and defensive abilities are better suited to guard and lockdown 2's. If he is playing the PG and you start another big guard next to him, a lot of that defensive ability will be negated.

Take the Jennings vs. Evans match-up if they were to go head to head, which didn't happen a lot last night because you guys were playing Beno. It's obvious Evans would abuse him because of his size, but Evans just doesn't have the quickness to stay in front of a guard like Jennings and thus it kind of negates how good he really is and can be on the defensive end.

If he is matching up with a guy like Salmons, he has the size and ability to lock him down, while also dominating him on the other end. (Just using Bucks examples)
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Re: Rookie of the Year. Is there any debate? 

Post#46 » by pillwenney » Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:54 pm

Newz wrote:Well Evans certainly can play three different positions. He has the size and ability to play the 1-2-3. I just (personally) think he is best at the 2-guard. That's not a knock on him or anything, he's going to be a great player regardless.

I think the first thing you guys need, that I have seen, is a big man who can protect the basket on the defensive end. I think you could use another outside shooter, though it doesn't have to be a great player...

But I think offensively, you guys need a PG who will just run the show, get out of Evans way and knock down the open shots. Have a majority of your sets run through Evans, but then have the PG take control from time to time and focus on getting the ball to others.

Just IMO, Evans is his best when he is in attack mode, looking to score. He is unstoppable when he is taking the ball to the bucket and looking to score. He's going to get a good look or fouled most of the time. I think he should focus on that aspect of his game, like Wade has, rather than being a pure PG like someone in the mold of a guy like Magic Johnson or something.

I also think his size and defensive abilities are better suited to guard and lockdown 2's. If he is playing the PG and you start another big guard next to him, a lot of that defensive ability will be negated.

Take the Jennings vs. Evans match-up if they were to go head to head, which didn't happen a lot last night because you guys were playing Beno. It's obvious Evans would abuse him because of his size, but Evans just doesn't have the quickness to stay in front of a guard like Jennings and thus it kind of negates how good he really is and can be on the defensive end.

If he is matching up with a guy like Salmons, he has the size and ability to lock him down, while also dominating him on the other end. (Just using Bucks examples)


Good analysis over all.

I think, as it has been said before, Evans is a basketball player above all else. But what I disagree with is the idea that he's necessarily better off with a pure PG next to him. For the record, I think the same is true for Wade, and Kobe and Lebron for that matter. That's why Beno is really an ideal fit next to Tyreke. He's really more of an off-the-ball scorer than he is a PG. He can play some PG, but honestly Tyreke is the better playmaker because he draws a hell of a lot more attention, and in terms of kicking out, or making a pass in traffic, honestly probably makes fewer mistakes than Beno.

Definitely agree about the big who can protect the basket. And I think many here agree. I think another thing that is arguably just as high of a priority is a real 1st/2nd option. I just don't think we really necessarily have that right now. I think we need another big time player, possibly. We've got some outside shooters--Omri most notably. But Omri has kind of hit the rookie wall, so he's not going to really effectively fill that void now. But in the future, he looks like a good consistent option in that respect. Also when Cisco fully gets his legs under him he should be better, and Donte has room to improve there. In general, I think that improvement can come from within.

Evans really does have the ability to guard a lot of quicker PGs. It's my belief that the best way to guard quicker PGs in the league is with size and obviously Tyreke has that in spades. Just last night, when Tyreke was guarding Jennings, Jennings didn't really penetrate much (not that he tried that consistently). Jennings scored a lot as basically a spot shooter. Obviously he generally has more to his game than that, but that was how most of the damage was done last night.
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Re: Rookie of the Year. Is there any debate? 

Post#47 » by MSGBallerz » Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:34 pm

Brandon Jennings! LOL j/k, no its not even close. Evans.
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Re: Rookie of the Year. Is there any debate? 

Post#48 » by ICMTM » Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:43 pm

The last thing the Kings need is to assign Evans to one position or to bring in a Steve Nash type or Deron Williams type. If you make Reke a wing exclusively you force him to play off the ball. He can't shoot. That doesn't make any sense.

If you have a ball distributor that doesn't have the ball to distribute then what's the purpose? Evans has to learn that he's not the 1st option on every play. That will come when he shows confidence in other players.
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Re: Rookie of the Year. Is there any debate? 

Post#49 » by OGSactownballer » Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:24 am

The kind of guy that would be ideal to pair with Evans would be a guy like Cisco (multi-skilled, multi-positional player) but BETTER. A guy who is a threat by himself to be a triple-double if left one-on-one.
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Re: Rookie of the Year. Is there any debate? 

Post#50 » by SadKingsFan » Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:12 am

OGSactownballer wrote:The kind of guy that would be ideal to pair with Evans would be a guy like Cisco (multi-skilled, multi-positional player) but BETTER. A guy who is a threat by himself to be a triple-double if left one-on-one.

Easy to say...much harder to find.
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Re: Rookie of the Year. Is there any debate? 

Post#51 » by stock01234 » Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:58 pm

debate only if Kenny Thomas get MVP..!! lmao..

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