Chris Bosh Sign and Trade Ideas

[kwamebargnani]

How about this?

re-sign Amir (3-4yr deal)
re-sign Rasho (1yr deal)
let Wright expire

sign+trade Bosh+Calderon+cash or future 2nd Rd Pick to NJ for D.Harris+B.Lopez+Dooling
trade Banks+Evans+1st Rd Pick 2010 to G-State for Maggette
sign Darko (3yr deal)

Giving us a line-up of:

HARRIS / Jack / Dooling
DeRozan / Weems / Belinelli
MAGGETTE / Turkoglu
BARGNANI / Amir
B.LOPEZ / Darko / Rasho

Turk being our 6th man.

2010 Salaries:

Harris - $8,981,000
Jack - $4,860,000
Dooling - $3,828,000
Maggette - $9,600,000
DeRozan - $2,453,880
Belinelli - $2,380,270
Weems - $854,389
Turkoglu - $9,800,000
Bargnani - $8,000,000
Amir - $4,464,000
Rasho - $1,990,000
B.Lopez - $2,413,320
Darko - $5,250,000

Total - 64,874,859

Does that even work? I'm not sure how the LLE, MLE, etc. all work.

What the hell does that do for the Nets?

[LarsV8]

On a more serious note, I'd be quite intrigued by a Houston package consisting of Hill, Jeffries, 1st Rd Pick 2010 NY, 1st Rd Pick 2010 Houston + rights to Llull for Chris Bosh.

First: more salary is needed. Jeffries is ~7 mil + Hill is 2.5 mil. You'd need about 3.5 mil more.

Second: 2 picks, 1 young stud and 1 prospect might be one asset to many.

[Ripp]

how about we talk about us being able to S&T for another teams max FA a guy like Joe Johnson. Tons of talk of himm going to NYK for the max and Atlanta not willing to pay it but here then, lets bring him in and convince CB to stay here. Heres my offseason plan:

WTF would JJ want to play for the Raps?

[Rapsobsessed7]

how about we talk about us being able to S&T for another teams max FA a guy like Joe Johnson. Tons of talk of himm going to NYK for the max and Atlanta not willing to pay it but here then, lets bring him in and convince CB to stay here. Heres my offseason plan:

Toronto Sends:
Jose Calderon $9,000,000
DeMar Derozan $2,453,880
Sonny Weems $854,389
2011 1st Round Pick (top 10 protected)
= 12,380,269 X 1.25 + 100,000
= 15,485,336

Toronto Gets:
Joe Johnson $14,976,754 (S&T max contract)
Mario Chalmers $854,389 (absorbed through a TE)

Toronto gets Joe Johnson to make Bosh stay.

Atlanta Sends:
Joe Johnson $14,976,754 (S&T max contract)
Mike Bibby $5,564,767

Atlanta Gets:
Jose Calderon $9,000,000
Sonny Weems $854,389
DeMar Derozan $2,453,880
James Jones $4,650,000
2011 1st Round Pick (top 10 protected)

Atlanta gets a rebuilding package. Save long term money and immediate money for Joe. Save 4 million instantly, upgrade from Bibby to Calderon, get a replacement in Derozan, get another young guy in Weems and a future 1st rounder.

Heat Send:
James Jones $4,650,000
Mario Chalmers $854,389

Heat Get:
Mike Bibby $5,564,767

Heat get their PG that fits nicely beside Wade and they go out and sign Amare to the max.

*Note: What Chris Bosh is worth in a S&T has differed but IMO this is a better S&T package for Johnson than some of the Bosh proposals weve seen thrown around here and its almost certain JJ walks for the max IMO.
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I follow the deal up with.

Andrea Bargnani $8,500,000 ($6,527,491 BYC value)
Reggie Evans $5,080,000

for

Emeka Okafor $11,795,000
Julian Wright $2,858,057

Hornets get a big man that would flourish with Paul at the point. He would get so many open looks

Raptors get defense, we wouldnt need anymore scoring.
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My Offseason:
- Resign Antonie Wright for 2 million a season.
- Resign Amir for 4.3 million a season
- Sign Josh Powell for bi annual
- Draft Dexter Pittman/Jerome Jordan

Jack/Chalmers/Banks
Johnson/Belinelli
Hedo/A.Wright/J.Wright
Bosh/Johnson
Okafor/Powell/Pittman

Now how far could that team go? ECF? Beyond. It would be an improvement defensively + offensively we pair Johnson + Bosh together. open time for belinelli and Chalmers is a decent defender. All in all a successful offseason, IMO very realistic and keeps Bosh. Thats what i would do if i were BC but im not so.

Sorry but the Heat dont want a scrub like Bibby, they are going after Bron/Bosh/Amare, or even JJ.


Bibby?

sorry but you need to learn how to read

they send out just as much salary as they take back (Jones + Chalmers = Bibbys salary). They keep their max cap room buddy so read the trade first before you bash because it makes you look dumb. Also jones has a salary of 4.6 which extends after Bibby expires so they clear that off the books

Bibby
Wade/Cook
Richardson (2 million)
Beasly
Amare

+ 2 1st round picks and the rest minimum players.

[Rapsobsessed7]

how about we talk about us being able to S&T for another teams max FA a guy like Joe Johnson. Tons of talk of himm going to NYK for the max and Atlanta not willing to pay it but here then, lets bring him in and convince CB to stay here. Heres my offseason plan:

WTF would JJ want to play for the Raps?

for the same money (S&T for the max) would JJ rather play in A) New York with Gallo/Chandler/Lee or would he rather play in Toronto with Bosh with Hedo + Okafor (in my deal) where they can go somewhere + they have depth.

He has a relationship with BC and i dont see why he wouldnt want to play for the raptors. Why wouldnt he?

[Ripp]

how about we talk about us being able to S&T for another teams max FA a guy like Joe Johnson. Tons of talk of himm going to NYK for the max and Atlanta not willing to pay it but here then, lets bring him in and convince CB to stay here. Heres my offseason plan:

WTF would JJ want to play for the Raps?

for the same money (S&T for the max) would JJ rather play in A) New York with Gallo/Chandler/Lee or would he rather play in Toronto with Bosh with Hedo + Okafor (in my deal) where they can go somewhere + they have depth.

He has a relationship with BC and i dont see why he wouldnt want to play for the raptors. Why wouldnt he?

Didn't you learn anything about his personality and goals, the reasons why he plays basketball from his move from the Suns to Atlanta? He left a championship contender to be the man elsewhere, playing for the team he was probably a fan of growing up as a kid, in a place not too far from where he grew up. If you truly believe he wants to finish his career with the Raps rather than either staying with the Hawks (where he is the man) or going to help revive basketball in NYC (where is he either the man, or sidekick to Lebron but still one of the most visible players in the NBA), you really have to be joking.

[babythug23]

Most of the time when a guy does a sign and trade the other team don't get a star player in return. Bosh will not go to the other team in that case. I can see draft picks and a young player. Nets not giving up Lopez. Bulls not giving up Rose. Houston not giving up Brooks. OKC not giving up Westbrook. Best deal getting a player that can become a star would be Heat with Beasley

[ZanTabak]

screw bosh lets trade the raptors to Las Vegas

[Rapsobsessed7]

Ripp:

I suggest you catch up on some stuff because Joe Johnson was offered an extension from the Hawks at 15 million a season and turned it down. He wants MAX mooney and it seems the Hawks are unwilling to pay that and thats why he will potentially leave. Why else would reports come out saying "Joe Johnson to the knicks is a done deal". Thats where i say to Atlanta get something worthy back for him and thats Derozan/Weems/1st thatt can be a part of your future and you dont create any holes in your lineup. JJ gets his max money that he wants, he gets to play with Bosh and have the chance to be a very good team. Its a win win situation. You get your money, you go to a place where you can win and you go to a place where you dont have to worry about attendance (he complained about the hawks home attendance, says he needs more people to show up to get fired up) and a place where your comfortable with the GM. Also you have Bosh recruiting you which is what i would think would happen and that way everyone wins.

If your JJ do you for the same money go play with Bosh or Lee?

[SkywalkerAC]

yeah, forgot about Llull. Rockets can put together a decent package for sure. perhaps Battier would be included and then waived? Hill/Lull/Jeffries/Battier/picks?

i'm really curious to see how the CBA/lockout is going to shape BC's decisions regarding 2011. Will expirings lose most of their trade value? Is dropping salary or taking on salary the way to go heading into a lockout? it's hard to guess without knowing how negotiations are going to play out. if there's a hard cap, will we be able to waive Turk completely so he doesn't count against the cap?

one thing I'm pretty sure of is that 2011 will be a good time to tank, with relatively little to build towards the following year (although there probably will still be a championship), and a good shot at getting high lotto picks in back to back seasons.

Yes, it's hard for us to project all CBA ramifications in advance. I presume the teams have a bit of insight, at least into Stern's general direction. The one thing I would not assume is that a lockout would leave us drafting in the same position in 2012 as in 2011 (unless some kind of abbreviated season is played in 2011-12). Based on the NHL experience, if an entire season is lost, the draft that follows would be based on some kind of system where all 30 teams participate in the lottery, maybe not equally, but there won't be a situation where the team with the first overall pick in 2011 gets the same position in 2012.

no, but a shortened season with an emphasis on youth should yield another high pick. what did we end up with after the last lockout?

[pretender_2002]

On a more serious note, I'd be quite intrigued by a Houston package consisting of Hill, Jeffries, 1st Rd Pick 2010 NY, 1st Rd Pick 2010 Houston + rights to Llull for Chris Bosh.

If we could somehow get Brooks too while dumping Calderon on them, that would be great, but perhaps asking for a little too much.

Houston fan here. I think most houston fans would do that first trade but we would need to make salaries match so we would need to add Scola or Battier (who I believe is expiring) which is a fair deal in our book. I don't think we have the cap space to take back calderon and make that deal work, also he has a pretty bad contract, which Houston will not want to take on.

[JamesNaismith]

2) Bosh for Noah + Hinrich + James Johnson: Sign Wade/other max, keep Deng, draft C with their pick

3) Bosh for Aldridge + Fernandez/Bayless + Pryzbilla: Expiring + young players, dont like the fit though

2 best deals so far.


The first would actually be a phenominal move for the Bulls and may work out okay for us as well if Calderon could be moved for say Tyson Chandler and the second favors us (which I obviously like).

[HEKTOR]

What the hell does that do for the Nets?

Well, I had a couple things in mind already.

#1 NJ get the 1st pick and draft Wall.
#2 NJ gets another big-time FA player - let's say JJ.

With Wall, JJ and Bosh, I would think they would be willing to take on Jose's contract.

[Rapsobsessed7]

heres another that makes sense

Toronto Trades:
Chris Bosh $16,500,000 (S&T max contract)
Jose Calderon $9,000,000
= 25,500,000

Houston Trades:
Shane Battier $7,429,500
Jared Jeffries $6,883,800
Aaron Brooks $2,016,692
Luis Scola $8,000,000 (S&T BYC 4,000,000)
= 20,329,992 X 1.25 + 100,000
= 25,512,490

BYC: States that salary is either 50% of his new salary or previous one whichever is higher so it would be 4 million as the outgoing salary and could be no less than that starting salary.

We get Brooks/Scola, get some useful expiring contracts to combine with our already expiring contracts and would look to add young players at the deadline by taking bad contracts. I would ship Battier out for any combination of young players we could get (example Fernandez + Pryzbilla) then be pretty much set and use those expiring to see what comes up at the deadline.

Bosh goes to Houston, gets to be the man, we dump Joses contract, they can keep those picks and Hill (scrub imo) and we can stay competitive while getting assets to use at the deadline.

Brooks/Jack/Banks
Derozan/Fernandez/Belinelli
Hedo/Weems/Butler
Scola/Evans/Jeffires
Bargnani/Johnson/Pryzbilla

* this is after the Battier for Rudy + Joel or another contract deal. Just an example doesnt have to be those 2 players.

works for Houston

Lowry/Calderon/PG
Martin/Bell(bi annual)/Taylor
Ariza/Budinger
Bosh/Hayes/Hill
Yao/Udoh(1st round)/Andersen

contending level team IMO.

[LarsV8]

^No

[SkywalkerAC]

On a more serious note, I'd be quite intrigued by a Houston package consisting of Hill, Jeffries, 1st Rd Pick 2010 NY, 1st Rd Pick 2010 Houston + rights to Llull for Chris Bosh.

If we could somehow get Brooks too while dumping Calderon on them, that would be great, but perhaps asking for a little too much.

Houston fan here. I think most houston fans would do that first trade but we would need to make salaries match so we would need to add Scola or Battier (who I believe is expiring) which is a fair deal in our book. I don't think we have the cap space to take back calderon and make that deal work, also he has a pretty bad contract, which Houston will not want to take on.

can Houston just sign the picks and trade them to the Raps to make salaries work?

[NateHuffman]

When is the earliest the sign and trade can go down?

Because all these trades involving this years draft picks, the picks would already have been made if the earliest date it can be made is the start of free agency.

Just a confusing situation, if anyone can help me out that would be great.

[gerrit4]

2) Bosh for Noah + Hinrich + James Johnson: Sign Wade/other max, keep Deng, draft C with their pick

3) Bosh for Aldridge + Fernandez/Bayless + Pryzbilla: Expiring + young players, dont like the fit though

2 best deals so far.


The first would actually be a phenominal move for the Bulls and may work out okay for us as well if Calderon could be moved for say Tyson Chandler and the second favors us (which I obviously like).

These two are great but asking a bit much. Why would Chicago need to S&T for Bosh but not Wade? Does Pat Riley not want assets back for a top 5 (arguably top 3) player in the league?

Noah is one of the best fits in the league for this team in my opinion. If there's an opportunity to get him, I'd do it without hesitation. Again, the value of Bosh for Aldridge just doesn't work for a GM. After a contract year, it's safe to assume Bosh will average around 20/10 next year. Aldrige will probably average 18/8. Is that really worth over DOUBLE the money against a shrinking salary cap?

A players value is tied to his salary. Every GM would love to have Bosh on their team, but not every GM thinks he deserves max money. So we have to keep in mind that this has very bad contract potential.

[gerrit4]

On a more serious note, I'd be quite intrigued by a Houston package consisting of Hill, Jeffries, 1st Rd Pick 2010 NY, 1st Rd Pick 2010 Houston + rights to Llull for Chris Bosh.

If we could somehow get Brooks too while dumping Calderon on them, that would be great, but perhaps asking for a little too much.

Houston fan here. I think most houston fans would do that first trade but we would need to make salaries match so we would need to add Scola or Battier (who I believe is expiring) which is a fair deal in our book. I don't think we have the cap space to take back calderon and make that deal work, also he has a pretty bad contract, which Houston will not want to take on.

Done, I love both of those guys.

[dagger]

On a more serious note, I'd be quite intrigued by a Houston package consisting of Hill, Jeffries, 1st Rd Pick 2010 NY, 1st Rd Pick 2010 Houston + rights to Llull for Chris Bosh.

If we could somehow get Brooks too while dumping Calderon on them, that would be great, but perhaps asking for a little too much.

Houston fan here. I think most houston fans would do that first trade but we would need to make salaries match so we would need to add Scola or Battier (who I believe is expiring) which is a fair deal in our book. I don't think we have the cap space to take back calderon and make that deal work, also he has a pretty bad contract, which Houston will not want to take on.

can Houston just sign the picks and trade them to the Raps to make salaries work?

No - there is a waiting period after signing any drafted player. It means a trade couldn't be consumated for a month or months, so I can't see it. I'd just take Battier.