Update - Gil Sentenced - 2yrs Probation - No Jailtime
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Merge if you feel it should be. I know there was a Gil thread about the guns somewhere but I didnt see it.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizard ... rdsinsider
Prosecutors recommend three months for Arenas
From The Post's Crime Scene blog:
Prosecutors recommended on Tuesday that Wizards star guard Gilbert Arenas spend three months in jail for bringing guns into the Verizon Center locker room.
Prosecutors also proposed that Arenas serve three years probation and perform 300 hours of community service.
The recommendations came in a sentencing memo to the court that is required in most criminal cases.
Arenas's formal sentencing is Friday.
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Well, this is an important piece of the puzzle we need to get past and the first step is knowing what we are dealing with regarding the sentencing. I have a bet with someone that Gil wouldn't see a day in jail. Not sure this recommendation means that he will but at least we see what the prosecutors are recommending as an outside range so it won't be worse then this.
He could see 3 months. He could see 1 day. He could see no time. No one knows until it happens.
I work with cops and prosecutors so I can ask but even they wouldn't know for sure.
But I will be happy to finally know what it is so we can move forward.
EDIT: Thread title updated to reflect recent news on the sentencing.
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Prosecutors recommend three months for Arenas
From The Post's Crime Scene blog:
Prosecutors recommended on Tuesday that Wizards star guard Gilbert Arenas spend three months in jail for bringing guns into the Verizon Center locker room.
Prosecutors also proposed that Arenas serve three years probation and perform 300 hours of community service.
The recommendations came in a sentencing memo to the court that is required in most criminal cases.
Arenas's formal sentencing is Friday.
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Well, this is an important piece of the puzzle we need to get past and the first step is knowing what we are dealing with regarding the sentencing. I have a bet with someone that Gil wouldn't see a day in jail. Not sure this recommendation means that he will but at least we see what the prosecutors are recommending as an outside range so it won't be worse then this.
He could see 3 months. He could see 1 day. He could see no time. No one knows until it happens.
I work with cops and prosecutors so I can ask but even they wouldn't know for sure.
But I will be happy to finally know what it is so we can move forward.
EDIT: Thread title updated to reflect recent news on the sentencing.
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I hope he can dodge jail time. I want him in uniform and in game shape by October, and I think nearly everyone wants that. Now will that come to fruition? I doubt it, but a guy can hope, right?
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This is a serious crime he pleaded guilty to, I think at least 3 months is likely.
If it is 6 months or more, it could seriously affect his season. Arenas might have been better off serving time as soon as the plea agreement was reached.
If it is 6 months or more, it could seriously affect his season. Arenas might have been better off serving time as soon as the plea agreement was reached.
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Three months sounds about right. I wonder would he have to do all 90 days or could he possibly get out earlier? I don't think serving 3 months would impact his ability to be in camp in October. Gil just needs to hope the judge doesn't decide to make an example out of him and give him something even longer.
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I think Gil has to do time. I don't think DC wants to set a precedent for being soft on gun crimes, especially when (based on what I've heard/read) they haven't in the past with regular John Doe types. I'm with Dat - 3 months sounds about right. Training cap isn't until late September so I don't see that impacting his ability to play next year (assuming he survives the sentence physically intact).
But a 3 month sentence would put a damper on any teams that were considering him as a Plan B if they don't get a superstar in free agency. Depending on when he goes in, he might not get out until August or September, which would mean many of the trade opportunities will have come and gone. I think a 3 month sentence pretty much guarantees that he plays in DC next season.
But a 3 month sentence would put a damper on any teams that were considering him as a Plan B if they don't get a superstar in free agency. Depending on when he goes in, he might not get out until August or September, which would mean many of the trade opportunities will have come and gone. I think a 3 month sentence pretty much guarantees that he plays in DC next season.
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verbal8 wrote:This is a serious crime he pleaded guilty to, I think at least 3 months is likely.
If it is 6 months or more, it could seriously affect his season. Arenas might have been better off serving time as soon as the plea agreement was reached.
Maybe I watch too much tv, but I assume the chances of getting more jail time than the proscecutor recommended (3 months) is slim to none.
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the 3 months sounds about right
But I wouldn't be surprised if that was sentence
and then it turned out he ended up serving less than
that.
But I wouldn't be surprised if that was sentence
and then it turned out he ended up serving less than
that.
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verbal8 wrote:This is a serious crime he pleaded guilty to, I think at least 3 months is likely.
If it is 6 months or more, it could seriously affect his season. Arenas might have been better off serving time as soon as the plea agreement was reached.
Yes I agree. And I would have much rather do 3 months during this blizzard filled winter than spring/summer.
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Brenice wrote:verbal8 wrote:This is a serious crime he pleaded guilty to, I think at least 3 months is likely.
If it is 6 months or more, it could seriously affect his season. Arenas might have been better off serving time as soon as the plea agreement was reached.
Yes I agree. And I would have much rather do 3 months during this blizzard filled winter than spring/summer.
At least we don't have to worry about him playing on blacktop at Berry Farms this year.
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LyricalRico wrote:<snip>
I don't think DC wants to set a precedent for being soft on gun crimes, especially when (based on what I've heard/read) they haven't in the past with regular John Doe types.
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They're only soft on the Jim Webb types, not the John Doe types.
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BigA wrote:LyricalRico wrote:<snip>
I don't think DC wants to set a precedent for being soft on gun crimes, especially when (based on what I've heard/read) they haven't in the past with regular John Doe types.
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They're only soft on the Jim Webb types, not the John Doe types.
I probably should have said Jamal Doe types.

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My only problem with this and maybe Im remembering wrong but I thought they recommended only 30 days his 1st time around. How can they suddenly switch like that or did they not recommend that much? Then they say that the recommendation is not really for the guns in the District itself but more for his inconsistent statements and behavior after the fact which I think is dumb. I dont want to see him get any time but 3 months wouldnt be too bad. He would probably be in good enough shape for camp.
I think most think he would get picked on in jail but I think he will actually be liked and everyone will try to get him to play ball every day if he has that freedom. You think they wouldnt love to ball with Gil? Its getting warm outside too. The other big reason why I wouldnt mind it is because he probably wouldnt be able to workout like he wants to and while most will say that is bad, Ive always been a big believer in rest. I use to make threads on here all the time saying how Gil needs to rest but instead he like works out and plays ball for all 12 months out the year. I think your body needs time to recover and you can double that with injuries. In that regard I think it could be good for him but I hope he gets 0-30 days
I think most think he would get picked on in jail but I think he will actually be liked and everyone will try to get him to play ball every day if he has that freedom. You think they wouldnt love to ball with Gil? Its getting warm outside too. The other big reason why I wouldnt mind it is because he probably wouldnt be able to workout like he wants to and while most will say that is bad, Ive always been a big believer in rest. I use to make threads on here all the time saying how Gil needs to rest but instead he like works out and plays ball for all 12 months out the year. I think your body needs time to recover and you can double that with injuries. In that regard I think it could be good for him but I hope he gets 0-30 days
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I think Gilbert had enough punishment! 

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FAH1223 wrote:1-3 months sounds about right.
I'm guessing 2 months will happen
Yeah, I don't think he will do 3 months.
30 days is to little. 90 to much.
45 days to 60 days sound about right if he goes. Looks like I may loose my bet.
Oh, they said during the game that they will have a prosecutor on after the game I think.
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The Many Tales of Arenas
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizard ... etely.html
see some of that stuff is dumb to me though, in defense of Gil. Its the same thing I use to tell people about Vick. People went on & on about how the worst thing was that Vick lied to Goodell and I always said that Roger shouldve never put Vick in that position. What did you think Vick was going to do? He was trying to plead not guilty at the time so what is he supposed to tell Goodell that he fought & killed dogs but the next day go to court and plead not guilty?
Its the same thing with this. What did you expect, Gil not to lie? Everyone lies at 1st with something like this. He's trying to cover it up because even if it is a joke, alot of people can get in serious trouble. Thats why the stories switch so much and some of them are him actually trying to look out for Crittenton.
I just think its dumb when people talk about someone lying in situations like this or telling different stories. Ofcourse he's going to do that because he doesnt want to get suspended, he doesnt want Critt to get suspended, he doesnt want to go to jail, he doesnt want Critt to go to jail, he doesnt want the story to come out, and so on because like I said, even if its just a joke, you will still be in big trouble.
I also think its funny how cops & prosecuters jobs are to make you look bad but everyone takes there word in every situation. He's always going to try to make it look bad and he's always going to say that it wasnt a joke. Thats what they do, just like defense attorney's downplay things. I dont trust Kaveneaugh at all. I think he saw a big fish in Gil and wanted to take him down.
Dont automatically take this guys word for stuff just because of who he is. The whole system is designed to make you plea so they can say anything they want because they know Gil cant fight it and has to plea due to the fact that even if it was a joke, its still criminal
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizard ... etely.html
see some of that stuff is dumb to me though, in defense of Gil. Its the same thing I use to tell people about Vick. People went on & on about how the worst thing was that Vick lied to Goodell and I always said that Roger shouldve never put Vick in that position. What did you think Vick was going to do? He was trying to plead not guilty at the time so what is he supposed to tell Goodell that he fought & killed dogs but the next day go to court and plead not guilty?
Its the same thing with this. What did you expect, Gil not to lie? Everyone lies at 1st with something like this. He's trying to cover it up because even if it is a joke, alot of people can get in serious trouble. Thats why the stories switch so much and some of them are him actually trying to look out for Crittenton.
I just think its dumb when people talk about someone lying in situations like this or telling different stories. Ofcourse he's going to do that because he doesnt want to get suspended, he doesnt want Critt to get suspended, he doesnt want to go to jail, he doesnt want Critt to go to jail, he doesnt want the story to come out, and so on because like I said, even if its just a joke, you will still be in big trouble.
I also think its funny how cops & prosecuters jobs are to make you look bad but everyone takes there word in every situation. He's always going to try to make it look bad and he's always going to say that it wasnt a joke. Thats what they do, just like defense attorney's downplay things. I dont trust Kaveneaugh at all. I think he saw a big fish in Gil and wanted to take him down.
Dont automatically take this guys word for stuff just because of who he is. The whole system is designed to make you plea so they can say anything they want because they know Gil cant fight it and has to plea due to the fact that even if it was a joke, its still criminal
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If Gilbert was not to be made an example of, it would have never gotten this far. I fully expect the DC prosecutor and judge are out to make an example of Arenas, facts will not matter; only perception will.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/me ... 032310.pdf
Here is the 221-page Gilbert Arenas defense memo. It includes dozens of letters asking for leniency:
Here is the 221-page Gilbert Arenas defense memo. It includes dozens of letters asking for leniency:
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It sure looks like the prosecution is pushing hard for jail time.
My guess is that the option to void Arenas' contract is definitely on the table. Arenas looks like a broken man right now and management might not want to take the chance that he'll return as a headcase. There's also the Blatche issue. Management has extra motivation to make sure that Blatche is surrounded by good character guys. Will they want Arenas on the same team?
I hope that EG or Flip or somebody from the Wizards has at least been keeping communications lines open with Arenas. The guy seems pretty cut off from the world right now.
My guess is that the option to void Arenas' contract is definitely on the table. Arenas looks like a broken man right now and management might not want to take the chance that he'll return as a headcase. There's also the Blatche issue. Management has extra motivation to make sure that Blatche is surrounded by good character guys. Will they want Arenas on the same team?
I hope that EG or Flip or somebody from the Wizards has at least been keeping communications lines open with Arenas. The guy seems pretty cut off from the world right now.
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nate33 wrote:It sure looks like the prosecution is pushing hard for jail time.
My guess is that the option to void Arenas' contract is definitely on the table. Arenas looks like a broken man right now and management might not want to take the chance that he'll return as a headcase. There's also the Blatche issue. Management has extra motivation to make sure that Blatche is surrounded by good character guys. Will they want Arenas on the same team?
I hope that EG or Flip or somebody from the Wizards has at least been keeping communications lines open with Arenas. The guy seems pretty cut off from the world right now.
Larry Coon tweeted that the sentencing has no bearing on the "voidability" of Gil's deal. It's about the crime that Gil plead to, not the sentence. The people that I've read and spoken to that are relatively "in the know" seem united on the fact that the Wiz have little hope of successfully voiding Gil's contract. They're stuck with each other, unless Gil retires.
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