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Post#381 » by keynote » Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:05 pm

Here's another take, courtesy of The Fan:

“I never said I didn’t wanna go back in the game. I love the game. I love to play. No caoches came to me. I never told anybody [I didn't want to go back in the game].”

Those words were sent from Andray Blatche to 106.7 the Fan this afternoon via text message.

In a phone conversation with Blatche, more of the player’s side of the story was revealed.

Blatche confirmed that he didn’t want to listen to what his head coach, Flip Saunders, had to say when he was removed from the game eight minutes in to Tuesday night’s loss, Washington’s 12th straight.

“I thought it was gonna be about shot selection, and it was too early to be talking about that,” he said. “So I just went over to the bench and sat down.”


That wasn't Flip, that was your Guilty Conscience, Dray.

According to Blatche, Saunders announced that one of his players didn’t want to play while addressing the Wizards at halftime. Blatche said that was the first time he’d heard that he didn’t want to play. Saunders’ words were news to him.

One of the assistants came over to Blatche and told him that James Singleton would be taknig his place in the second half. Blatche wasn’t happy, but he said that he was stille expecting to play. “I was okay with it at the time, cuz we were winning,” he added.


If true, I don't like this lack of communication. If a player is being benched for the rest of the game for punitive reasons, he should know it then and there.

In the 15 hours since, Blatche said that he has met with General Manager Ernie Grunfeld and Head Coach Flip Saunders (after the game at Verizon Center last night). He’s also watched Saunders’ press conference (in the team hotel upon arriving in Indiana last night).

He’s not happy about the way the story of last night’s events are being portrayed. He says he would never quit, He’d never let his team down. “It’s not true, and that’s what hurts,” Blatche added.

In a team meeting this morning, Flip Saunders apparently told his players again that Blatche didn’t want to go back on the court. That he had left his teammates out to dry.

According to the former 2nd-rounder, he stood up and refuted the point in front of his teammates. He said that he didn’t refuse to play. That no coaches approached him.

“I think they know my side of the story now,” he said. When I asked Blatche if any players had expressed frustrations with him, or told him that they were disappointed in his actions, he said “No. I think they understand. That’s why I wanted to tell them what happened in the meeting.”


Interesting to hear how Flip is handling this internally. It's a jerk move, but it's not unheard of. Coaches attempt to use fear of teammate disapproval as a motivator all the time.
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Post#382 » by Donkey McDonkerton » Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:28 pm

Flip definitely wants to be fired...thats the only thing i can get out of this.
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Post#383 » by Hoopalotta » Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:32 pm

Well, I feel better about it all at least, though the tremors still wiggle a bit.

The idea of Blatche actually saying the words "I don't want to play" seemed a bit hard to believe from the start. He has absolutely no incentive there, so why would he do that?

Basically, Blatche's story is the one that makes sense with it sounding like really bad communication, but I don't think Flip has handled this well even if Dray isn't blameless. These public outings are not good for the franchise or the value of our players around the league.

Get this crap sorted out in-house, this is bad form.
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Post#384 » by Kanyewest » Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:48 pm

Hoopalotta wrote:Well, I feel better about it all at least, though the tremors still wiggle a bit.

The idea of Blatche actually saying the words "I don't want to play" seemed a bit hard to believe from the start. He has absolutely no incentive there, so why would he do that?

Basically, Blatche's story is the one that makes sense with it sounding like really bad communication, but I don't think Flip has handled this well even if Dray isn't blameless. These public outings are not good for the franchise or the value of our players around the league.

Get this crap sorted out in-house, this is bad form.


From the interview with Flip, I understood it that Blatche's body language/gestures indicated that he didn't want to play.
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Post#385 » by fishercob » Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:52 pm

It's those damn lazy al-Qaeda eyes!
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Post#386 » by Donkey McDonkerton » Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:05 pm

fishercob wrote:It's those damn lazy al-Qaeda eyes!


You sure it isn't

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Post#387 » by McGully Culkin » Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:11 pm

I'm sure there is some blame to be placed on AB....however, didn't the players in Detroit start tuning out Flip after a while? I'm sure Flip is going to try to come off as innocent, but a part of me thinks that there may be a little truth to what Blatche is saying. I kind of soured on him a bit after his comments following the Celtics game a few weeks ago in reference to AB talking smack to Garnett. He didn't even have his own guy's back in that instance and made it seem like Blatche needed to bow down in Garnett's presence....anyways, it's going to be interesting to see how all of this plays out.
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Post#388 » by dlts20 » Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:45 pm

Sources say that Blatche will play tonight so that means 1 of 2 things. 1 is either Blatche is telling the truth and or there was a misunderstanding.

2 is what I wrote earlier in that this was still something that has been blown up and is not a big deal. Its just a little spat between a coach & player. People & coach/players fight and makeup all the time. I dont think this is the huge deal people make it out to be and wont even be something that people think about a week from now
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Post#389 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:17 pm

jimij wrote:He's saying he was wrong to ignore Saunders in the first place but he's absolutely refuting the allegation that he quit on his teammates and that he repeatedly told coaches he didn't want to play.

I said it in the other thread, but from watching it from a relatively close distance, Blatche sure as hell didn't look like a guy who thought he wasn't going to be playing the rest of the night. He certainly deserves blame for blowing off the coach in the first place, but IMO Flip is the one taking this to an entirely different level both after that game and apparently again today.


I have maintained since November that Flip is a coach who rules by negative reinforcement and who will throw young players under the bus publicly.

Whatever Blatche did wrong I KNOW Flip hasn't accepted any responsibility for making things worse than they might have been had he taken another approach.
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Post#390 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:22 pm

Bickerstaff wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Andray didn't need any college ball. He was highly skilled in HS.


No, but maybe he could have used some college education.

:D

That, and as I said years back, when Blatche was arrested for soliciting a prostitute, if he had gone to college he could have had more free "Tang" on campus than the Apollo astronauts.
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Post#391 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:24 pm

Donkey McDonkerton wrote:Flip definitely wants to be fired...thats the only thing i can get out of this.


Honestly, that's a positive spin on this thing, Donkey.

Lose the respect of the team. Get into a powerplay with the best player, who already feels underpaid (he's producing way more than he's signed to--just like Heyer, but worse), and do so while on a 12-game losing streak.

Flip said something about the coach always being right. Hmmm. I say this year Flip's been wrong plenty.

Too bad he's signed 4 years.
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Post#392 » by dlts20 » Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:59 pm

People are making a big deal about Dray walking to the bench and not listening to Flip. No doubt that is bad as you should never tune out your coach but lets be real. That has happened a ton of times on every team in the NBA. People just get frustrated, things happened, and then its over. Like the coach is yelling at you and you are just tired of hearing it so you dont respond. That happeneds all the time from stars to scrubs but they always understand that its usually just frustration and it blows over or they talk it over
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Post#393 » by dlts20 » Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:00 pm

People are making a big deal about Dray walking to the bench and not listening to Flip. No doubt that is bad as you should never tune out your coach but lets be real. That has happened a ton of times on every team in the NBA. People just get frustrated, things happened, and then its over. Like the coach is yelling at you and you are just tired of hearing it so you dont respond. That happeneds all the time from stars to scrubs but they always understand that its usually just frustration and it blows over or they talk it over
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Post#394 » by Donkey McDonkerton » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:02 pm

dlts20 wrote:People are making a big deal about Dray walking to the bench and not listening to Flip. No doubt that is bad as you should never tune out your coach but lets be real. That has happened a ton of times on every team in the NBA. People just get frustrated, things happened, and then its over. Like the coach is yelling at you and you are just tired of hearing it so you dont respond. That happeneds all the time from stars to scrubs but they always understand that its usually just frustration and it blows over or they talk it over
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Post#395 » by Ed Wood » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:21 pm

So I think this fracas has inspired me to alter my career path and to found the Ed Wood Home for Disrespected Athletes so I can help ease the trauma suffered by young professional athletes who for an instant are not treated like the alpha and omega of hot ****. Then, in about three days once I've saved up enough to move on to more personal projects I'll retire and pursue my own interests with the Ed Wood Home for Shut Up About Respect you Big Baby.

Which is not to say that Andray is entirely in the wrong here. I have no idea what happened, same as everyone else. But "I feel disrespected" is not hot wired to the kind and sympathetic parts of my brain.
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Post#396 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:31 pm

You have no idea but you're not questioning the coach going public with his version that's currently being disputed by Blatche.

When a player says he wants an apology, at the very least there's a misunderstanding.

When a poster here who was at the game sitting by Blatche doesn't want to say Flip's lying, but that he watched Blatche during what supposedly went down and didn't see Blatche being or acting defiant, at the very least there's a misunderstanding.

Flip went public in a way that damages a players' reputation. He's throwing gas on a fire. Blatche is being called out. 7 Day Dray. Folks say he's lazy, but his game clearly says otherwise.

If that guy's saying Flip disrespected him at this point I'm not doubting him.
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Post#397 » by CeltsfaninDC » Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:20 am

Wow! I'm shocked that anyone is even considering supporting this big baby. Grow up kid, you are a professional basketball player. You were "disrespected"? I guess you don't want your paycheck then if you are being so disrespected.
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Post#398 » by Ed Wood » Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:58 am

Yes, I do not have any idea what precisely occurred CCJ, but I'm not providing anyone with a pass when the entire roster and coaching staff has conspired to produce some truly abominable basketball over the course of the year. I'm certainly not toasting Flip for the histrionics on his part that have characterized this season. I don't care how frustrating it's been for him to have to helm our trash barge (extremely I'm sure) and I don't loose sleep at night as I imagine he might over what this year is doing to his reputation and his ability to find another job should he part ways with this one. I'm even very fond of Andray, insofar as a fan can be fond of a player without knowing him and while he's part of a dirty dozen tasked with the desperate mission to attempt to convince that fan to never want to watch basketball again. That's why I'm coming down on Andray here, because I care about Andray and I want to see the guy accomplish something in a Wizards uniform.

And you know what, maybe Andray is in the relative right here. Maybe he had no intention whatsoever to do anything but everything he could to follow Flip's instructions and is genuinely mystified by Flip's indignation. Maybe he wanted to get in that game and be a part of that loss yesterday and it hurt him that Flip did not share that desire. Maybe five hundred years from now when we build an all-knowing all-powerful supercomputer to reveal to us the mysteries of the universe it will inform us that the biggest son of a bitch in the history of creation was Flip Saunders on the night of Tuesday, March 23, 2010. I must reiterate, I don't give a **** about Flip Saunders. As far as I'm concerned at the end of the year we can see him off with a firm handshake and a tattoo of the team's record across the forehead and that'd be swell. But I do care about Andray, and I want him to be a good player, and he's closer than he's ever been, closer than I expected he'd be when the Wizards traded Antawn Jamison.

And what I'm seeing right now is from Andray is bush league as hell. Flip should not have come crying to the media with his various woes but again, if I were Flip Saunders secret Santa I'd be chewing ten **** bucks worth of gum when I looked the man in the eyes and told him I didn't have the cash to buy a gift; you get the idea. Andray could have stepped up and earned some respect, which is apparently a pretty big deal for him, and kept it in house, talked with Flip, worked things out, been the professional. Instead we're running play-by-play for a dick waving contest. Yeah, I'm sure it rankled Andray's pride to have to hear Flip kvetching about him to anyone who'd listen, but there ain't no escalator to the high road. I will certainly say that from what has been attributed to Andray he comes off better here than Flip, but that's not the better I want when I want better from Blatche. If Andray is tired of dealing with Flip I want him to be the bigger man until Flip's so small he disappears. I don't want to hear about what fraction of the problem Andray thinks he's responsible for, that's a number that's going to get bigger every time Andray mentions it.
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Post#399 » by magee » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:08 am

There are two sides to each story, but for each to not look in the mirror on this, let alone discuss it through the media, is asinine. Damn shame. Just hug it out and finish the season.
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Post#400 » by NbdyBeatsTheWiz » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:13 am

Ed Wood wrote:Yes, I do not have any idea what precisely occurred CCJ, but I'm not providing anyone with a pass when the entire roster and coaching staff has conspired to produce some truly abominable basketball over the course of the year. I'm certainly not toasting Flip for the histrionics on his part that have characterized this season. I don't care how frustrating it's been for him to have to helm our trash barge (extremely I'm sure) and I don't loose sleep at night as I imagine he might over what this year is doing to his reputation and his ability to find another job should he part ways with this one. I'm even very fond of Andray, insofar as a fan can be fond of a player without knowing him and while he's part of a dirty dozen tasked with the desperate mission to attempt to convince that fan to never want to watch basketball again. That's why I'm coming down on Andray here, because I care about Andray and I want to see the guy accomplish something in a Wizards uniform.

And you know what, maybe Andray is in the relative right here. Maybe he had no intention whatsoever to do anything but everything he could to follow Flip's instructions and is genuinely mystified by Flip's indignation. Maybe he wanted to get in that game and be a part of that loss yesterday and it hurt him that Flip did not share that desire. Maybe five hundred years from now when we build an all-knowing all-powerful supercomputer to reveal to us the mysteries of the universe it will inform us that the biggest son of a bitch in the history of creation was Flip Saunders on the night of Tuesday, March 23, 2010. I must reiterate, I don't give a **** about Flip Saunders. As far as I'm concerned at the end of the year we can see him off with a firm handshake and a tattoo of the team's record across the forehead and that'd be swell. But I do care about Andray, and I want him to be a good player, and he's closer than he's ever been, closer than I expected he'd be when the Wizards traded Antawn Jamison.

And what I'm seeing right now is from Andray is bush league as hell. Flip should not have come crying to the media with his various woes but again, if I were Flip Saunders secret Santa I'd be chewing ten **** bucks worth of gum when I looked the man in the eyes and told him I didn't have the cash to buy a gift; you get the idea. Andray could have stepped up and earned some respect, which is apparently a pretty big deal for him, and kept it in house, talked with Flip, worked things out, been the professional. Instead we're running play-by-play for a dick waving contest. Yeah, I'm sure it rankled Andray's pride to have to hear Flip kvetching about him to anyone who'd listen, but there ain't no escalator to the high road. I will certainly say that from what has been attributed to Andray he comes off better here than Flip, but that's not the better I want when I want better from Blatche. If Andray is tired of dealing with Flip I want him to be the bigger man until Flip's so small he disappears. I don't want to hear about what fraction of the problem Andray thinks he's responsible for, that's a number that's going to get bigger every time Andray mentions it.


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