All-Time Franchise League - HoF Restriction

[SabasRevenge!]

All-Time Franchise League - Hall of Fame Restriction.

This sim is designed to even out the historical advantages that teams like the Lakers and Celtics have acquired through decades of success and create relatively even teams, allowing for a "big three" each.

Select one franchise.

GMs may select any single season from twelve different players who played four consecutive seasons with their franchise with the following conditions:

Maximum TWO HOF Players (either in HOF or .600+ HoF Prob)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob_career.html

One additional non-HoF All-Star or All-NBA player can be used.


Judged by participants from opposite bracket or eliminated participants.

One day to post rosters.

One day between rounds.

This shouldn't take more than ten days to complete.

Optional:
One 1000 word write up per match up (no rebuttals)


16 Teams:

Trailblazers - SabasRevenge!
Bulls - CellarDoor
Warriors - Warspite
Magic - penbeast0
76ers - SamBone
Rockets - bastillon
Pacers - Miller4Ever
Bucks - DavidStern

Eligible Teams:

Clippers (Buffalo Braves)
Lakers (Minneapolis Lakers)
Suns
Rockets (San Diego Rockets)
Mavericks
Spurs (Dallas Chaparrals)
Thunder (Seattle Supersonics)
Warriors (Philadelphia Warriors)
Kings (Cincinatti Royals)
Nuggets (Denver Rockets)
Trailblazers
Jazz (New Orleans Jazz)
Timberwolves
Celtics
Nets (New York Nets)
Knicks
Bulls
Pistons
Pacers
Bucks
Sixers (Syracuse Nationals)
Wizards (Baltimore Bullets)
Cavaliers
Hornets (Charlotte Hornets)
Hawks
Heat
Magic

[SabasRevenge!]

Portland Traliblazers

HoF-Walton
HoF-Drexler
AS-'09 Roy

'92 Terry Porter (34) / '79 Lionel Hollins (14)
'09 Brandon Roy (36) / Drexler (12)
'92 Clyde Drexler (24) / '95 Cliff Robinson (24) / '87 Kiki Vandeweghe
'91 Buck Williams (20) / '02 Rasheed Wallace (28)
'77 Bill Walton (34) / '96 Arvydas Sabonis (14)

[Snakebites]

I appreciate the HOF restriction as a way to prevent stacking from the more storied franchises (we all know the ones I mean), but I still think said teams would have an advantage. Not all HOFers are created equal.

Just the same, I might participate in this just for the heck of it.

Also, didn't Rasheed make a bunch of all star teams? He missed the year you chose but its not like he magically became a much worse player that year....

[CellarDoor]

Chicago...
Gordon/Van Lier/Kirk
Jordan/Sloan/Kirk
Pippen/Jordan/Walker
Grant/Woolridge/Chandler
Gilmore/Wallace/Chandler

I tossed Gordon in for shooting and for surprisingly adequate defense on PGs. He won't need to handle the ball with Michael and Scottie around, allowing him to play the Armstrong/Kerr/Harper role better than they ever could. Van Lier and Sloan will be seeing most of the back-up minutes with Kirk coming in as a floor spacer when needed. Jordan will spell Pippen allowing us to run with our elite defensive guards more and Walker as a back-up scoring option. Grant/Gilmore give us a nasty defensive front court with elite rebounding. Wallace and an excellent scorer in Woolridge are coming off the bench to spell them with Tyson Chandler's best defensive season waiting in the wings.


Gordon(08-09)
Van Lier(72-73)
Kirk(06-07)
Jordan(90-91)
Sloan(70-71)
Pippen(90-91)
Walker(71-72)
Grant(91-92)
Woolridge(84-85)
Chandler(04-05)
Gilmore(81-82)
Wallace(06-07)

Scottie and MJ are the HOFers, I haven't used my all-star yet (likely will change Gilmore's season)

[Warspite]

Warriors

C Wilt/Carroll/Biedrens
PF Larry Smith/Jamison
SF Barry/Mullin
SG Sprewell/Short
PG Hardaway/Floyd/Rogers

62 Wilt 50ppg 25.7rpg HoFer
83 Carroll 23ppg 8rpg
09 Biedrens 14ppg 13rpg
85 Smith 11ppg 11rpg
03 Jamison 22ppg 7rpg
75 Barry 30ppg 6rpg HoFer
93 Mullin 26ppg 5rpg 45% 3pt allstar
85 Short 28ppg 5rpg
96 Sprewell 19ppg 4apg 5rpg
65 Rogers 14ppg 7apg
95 Hardaway 20ppg 10apg
86 Floyd 17ppg 9apg

[penbeast0]

By all-star do you just mean not an all-star in the 4 season period used because if not, every franchise so far has multiple all-stars on them in addition to their HOF players . . . and if so, need to know the 4 year periods for the players . . .

If we can get that figured out, I'd try to set up Orlando

Shaq (HOF)/Horace Grant
DHoward (2006)/Bo Outlaw
Tracy McGrady/Hedo Turkoglu
Nick Anderson/Mike Miller
Penny (All-star)/Darrell Armstrong

Plus maybe Dennis Scott, Scott Skiles, and/or Jameer Nelson

[Snakebites]

^Seeing as he included Rasheed in his lone playoff-less year in a 3 year span, I'm guessing that he is only concerned about years they made the all star team in his restriction.

I'd guess he's trying to keep teams from being stacked with perennial all stars but has no issue with borderline guys who have prime years in which they didn't make it.

In any event though, he says only one non-HOF all star. So you can't have both Dwight and Penny unless you want to pick non-prime years for them.

[SabasRevenge!]

By all-star do you just mean not an all-star in the 4 season period used because if not, every franchise so far has multiple all-stars on them in addition to their HOF players . . . and if so, need to know the 4 year periods for the players . . .

If we can get that figured out, I'd try to set up Orlando

Shaq (HOF)/Horace Grant
DHoward (All-Star)/Bo Outlaw
Tracy McGrady (HOF -- if All-Star Rules get worked out may not use him)/Hedo Turkoglu
Nick Anderson/Mike Miller/Dennis Scott
Penny (All-star)/Darrell Armstrong/Scott Skiles

Sorry for the confustion about the AS thing.

I wrote it to mean that each team can have two hall of fame players and a third player that is an all-star in the single selected season. That's why I put the chosen year in front of each player. I chose a two HoF limitation because it seemed the most even for all teams. Both Wallace and Porter were all-stars duing their stretch with the team, but not in their selected year.

The rules may seem a bit vague. Pick one of at least four consecutive seasons with the team. Two players can be HOF, one additional player may be an all-star in the selected season but must not be a HoF qualifying player.

I was wondering who would end up with the Magic when I was writing this up... it's incredible how stacked they are for a relatively new franchise.

[penbeast0]

Well, the Bullets just aren't going to win anything and I hate getting my butt kicked

[Warspite]

Well, the Bullets just aren't going to win anything and I hate getting my butt kicked

Take the 76ers and build around Moses/DrJ. You can also find non allstar yrs for Chet Walker, Mo Cheeks, Stackhouse, Bobby Jones and Jackson.

[SamBone]

this game sounds cool, I will take my Sixers and post a roster a little later when I can do some research! Why wouldn't I use Wilt as one of my HOFers?

[penbeast0]

He played 3.5 seasons in Philly -- not sure if that counts as 4 for OP's requirements

[Warspite]

this game sounds cool, I will take my Sixers and post a roster a little later when I can do some research! Why wouldn't I use Wilt as one of my HOFers?

Wilt didnt play 4 seasons for 76ers. Im interested in who you select as your allstar player. Picking a 76er allstar that didnt make the HoF is not a easy task.

[bastillon]

Chicago...
Kirk/
Jordan/
Pippen/
Brand/
Gilmore/

One all-star used thus far...will finish later.

this is over.

Warriors

C Wilt/Carroll/Biedrens
PF Larry Smith/Jamison
SF Barry/Mullin/Purvis Short
SG Spreewell/Russell
PG Hardaway/Floyd

your team doesn't qualify.

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anyway, I'm taking the Rockets:

Moses/Hakeem
Hakeem/Thorpe/Horry
Tomjanovic/McCray
Battier/Elie/Mobley
Francis/Sleepy/Kenny

I'll edit...

[Snakebites]

I would like to posit that I should be able to have Joe Dumars without using the HOF slot.

His HOF probability is WELL below the max, and was voted in because he's such a good guy who won championships.

[Miller4ever]

Does ABA count?

Because that's the only way the Pacers would have a puncher's chance.

[penbeast0]

I'd vote for letting the ABA count . . . they count in official NBA stats. However, you realize there's quite a lot of prejudice against even late period ABA.

[SamBone]

still working on this, but here is what I got so far for Philly!'

HOFer: Moses and Doc
AS: ?

PG: Mo Cheeks (84), Eric Snow (03), Aaron McKie(01)
SG: Andrew Toney (85), Chet Walker (69), Doug Collins (75), Hersey Hawkins
SF: Doc J (81), Andre Iguadala (07), Clarence Weatherspoon (94)
PF: Caldwell Jones (81), Bobby Jones (83), Steve Mix (75)
C: MOSES (83), Sammy Dalembert (08), Daryl Dawkins (80)

[SabasRevenge!]

Does ABA count?

Because that's the only way the Pacers would have a puncher's chance.

I was assuming that ABA would count because it is a significant part of many of the franchises.

[Miller4ever]

The Pacers have no HOFers that fit the criteria. Thus, I feel it is fair to substitute two all-stars (I'd ask for more, since all-stars<<<HOF, but...)

So we have:

Don Buse/Mark Jackson
Reggie Miller/Billy Knight
Danny Granger/Chuck Person/Clark Kellogg
George McGinnis/Dale Davis
Mel Daniels/Jermaine O'Neal/Rik Smits

I'll figure out which years later.

I don't know why I always pick the all-time worst longevity-to-talent ratio.