New Bosh free agent insight - seems like a new tune

[Protomav]

hes still a bitch.

End of story.

He may be putting up gaudy numbers but he will never be the main piece on a championship team. In his prime KG couldn't lead anyone to the finals. For anyone to expect Bosh (with much less intensity) to do that is completely unreasonable.

Speaking of unreasonable see Chris Bosh's contact at the start of next year. If he gets the max he'll cripple whatever franchise shells out for him. I hope to God it's not the Craps.

[panthermark]

Bosh (or his agent) just raised the stakes...and guaranteed himself a 6th year.

Here is why...

The only bit of leverage BC had (if you can call it that) was a 6th year. By Bosh stating that money isn't the issue, any team with cap space can simply offer a 5 year max deal instead of a 6 year max deal, and Toronto won't even get a TPE out of it.

Basically, Bosh has said (without saying)..."I'll take less money (5 years) to win....so if I do leave, it is in your best interest to S&T me for 6, and at least get a TPE out of it"

I thin Bosh wants 6 years, and his playing poker with BC. Who will flinch first?

In the end, I think Bosh will get 6 years no matter what (in Tornoto or anyplace else), and if he does leave Toronto, it will only be for a TPE, and a conditional 2nd rounder or something like that.

[whoknows]

Meh, doesn't really read like a fresh tune to me. Same old song and dance, seems like.

sure it is departure from:
1) "want to be the man",
2)"no discount from max"


wants to play for a contender - this is the only thing he said before

[Reignman]

hes still a bitch.

End of story.

He may be putting up gaudy numbers but he will never be the main piece on a championship team. In his prime KG couldn't lead anyone to the finals. For anyone to expect Bosh (with much less intensity) to do that is completely unreasonable.

Speaking of unreasonable see Chris Bosh's contact at the start of next year. If he gets the max he'll cripple whatever franchise shells out for him. I hope to God it's not the Craps.

KG was the main piece on a championship team so i'm a bit confused by that statement. THe difference being that he played with some talent in Boston as opposed to Minny. Actually, he even took a Minny team with Spree and Cassell to the WCF.

So whenever KG had good talent around him he's done well. Unfortunately Bosh has never had "good" talent around him so we won't be able to answer that question unless he leaves for a better team or BC decides to truly build around him.

Bosh has his flaws and he's definitely no LBJ / Kobe / Wade but some of the hate is becoming ridiculous. Man, even Kobe asked for more help and Wade isn't doing much without talent so why do we blame Bosh? LBJ is probably the only player in the league that can carry his team without a real second / third star.

[dacrusha]

BC has set this team up for 20-30 wins over the next 5 years: giant contracts for mediocre players (Jose, Turk, Bargs), very little young talent (DD, the only young talent that might develop into a decent player) and very few tradeable assets to build quickly (little in the way of young talent/draft picks/expiring contracts).

If I were Bosh, I'd be out of here as soon as July 1st comes, because unless BC has the balls to make some bold moves (ie, like dumping his boyfriend Bargs) and getting us another star to play along our current one, this team is going nowhere.

But then, that's the direction posters like Dagger want to see this team go.

[supersub15]

#1. This is a new tune insofar that Bosh had previously spoken about being "the man" wherever he eventually went. Now, not so much.

#2. Don't believe the "I have enough money" claim. If Bosh can get max money somewhere, he'll jump at it - even if it means signing with a rebuilding Nets team in a S&T deal.

Bosh has less than ten years left in the NBA and after that he's basically going to have to live off whatever he's earned during his career. The additional $30 million he earns in a max deal can pay him an extra $750,000+ per year for the rest of his life, without touching the principal (after taxes). No way he walks away from that.

Bosh was so upset at having to pay the fine for a bogus technical foul last year, he was screaming in the locker room for the NBA to pay it back. In fact, I don't remember him getting a tech at all this season.

Bosh wants his money, and he will get it. I don't think it'll be from the Raptors. That much is evident.

Goodbye Bosh...

[whoknows]

BC has set this team up for 20-30 wins over the next 5 years: giant contracts for mediocre players (Jose, Turk, Bargs), very little young talent (DD, the only young talent that might develop into a decent player) and very few tradeable assets to build quickly (little in the way of young talent/draft picks/expiring contracts).

If I were Bosh, I'd be out of here as soon as July 1st comes, because unless BC has the balls to make some bold moves (ie, like dumping his boyfriend Bargs) and getting us another star to play along our current one, this team is going nowhere.

But then, that's the direction posters like Dagger want to see this team go.

who is the star that you realistically think BC can get for Bargs (if he had the balls nevertheless)
Please share...

[alpha]

Can't wait till Bosh packs up his bags and gets out... This season has been all about will he..won't he.
Can't wait until reality hits him in the face just like Damon, Tracy and Vince

Only problem I see,... is that Bosh is playing at such a low level that there might not be other teams willing to sign and trade at the max.. Raps will be stuck with his crap again....and eventually he will cry himself outta here.

[Reignman]

BC has set this team up for 20-30 wins over the next 5 years: giant contracts for mediocre players (Jose, Turk, Bargs), very little young talent (DD, the only young talent that might develop into a decent player) and very few tradeable assets to build quickly (little in the way of young talent/draft picks/expiring contracts).

If I were Bosh, I'd be out of here as soon as July 1st comes, because unless BC has the balls to make some bold moves (ie, like dumping his boyfriend Bargs) and getting us another star to play along our current one, this team is going nowhere.

But then, that's the direction posters like Dagger want to see this team go.

who is the star that you realistically think BC can get for Bargs (if he had the balls nevertheless)
Please share...

Won't be a star but at least we can get a real big man in return, one that can play D and rebound the ball.

[Monty2]

I think we would all agree that it's very unlikely that Bosh re-signs with us. I think that's for the best. With the cap falling it's pretty hard to pay someone 21 million/year unless you have a chance at winning it all. With contracts of Turk, Bargnani, Jose (28 mil) we're in a deep hole. Unfortunately we need to blow it up but I don't even think we can do that. Turk's with his contract is untradeable so in effect our cap is 10 mil below most of the other teams since he's just going through the motions (total jerk). I was hoping that with Bosh's strong play we might be able to include Turk in a sign and trade with Bosh and get not much in return but with Bosh's recent play and attitude I'm not sure too many other teams are willing to pay the max let alone take another contract like Turk's.

[Reignman]

Can't wait till Bosh packs up his bags and gets out... This season has been all about will he..won't he.Can't wait until reality hits him in the face just like Damon, Tracy and Vince

Only problem I see,... is that Bosh is playing at such a low level that there might not be other teams willing to sign and trade at the max.. Raps will be stuck with his crap again....and eventually he will cry himself outta here.

Actually, this season is all about how to waste $10 mil:

- Bargs "I'm lazy and unfocused", and we made him our starting C when he's just not a starting big man in the NBA. He's a SF or a 6th man.
- Turk, I was overpaid by a overrated GM
- Jose, he's barely a starter now

These are the 3 reasons this season went sideways, it's pretty clear to see. Not only can they not play their positions at an adequate level to compete but there attitudes seem to have had a negative effect on the overall team.

[DG88]

Whatever I've grown tired of this whole 2010 bull****. Let's just rebuild.

[whoknows]

BC has set this team up for 20-30 wins over the next 5 years: giant contracts for mediocre players (Jose, Turk, Bargs), very little young talent (DD, the only young talent that might develop into a decent player) and very few tradeable assets to build quickly (little in the way of young talent/draft picks/expiring contracts).

If I were Bosh, I'd be out of here as soon as July 1st comes, because unless BC has the balls to make some bold moves (ie, like dumping his boyfriend Bargs) and getting us another star to play along our current one, this team is going nowhere.

But then, that's the direction posters like Dagger want to see this team go.

who is the star that you realistically think BC can get for Bargs (if he had the balls nevertheless)
Please share...

Won't be a star but at least we can get a real big man in return, one that can play D and rebound the ball.

no offense, but when you guys are criticizing (easiest thing to do), please name the players that BC is too stupid to trade for...
It is easy to criticize, but to be a constructive discussion we need solutions.

IMO with the team record and the label of soft around the league, the only real asset BC has to turn this team around has is CB4.
CB4 would listen to S&T scenario since it makes him 30mils happier. I would package a bad contract with him (Hedo) just to open up some options. Problem is that with his crappy play of late, CB4 value is dropping every game. I don't think teams will line up anymore to sign him for max, especially when you add an albatross like Hedo...

I am firm convinced that resigning and keeping CB4 is a big mistake.
This team will be crumbled with his huge contract and no real options for upgrade are coming up soon (especially with new CBA).
I wish we get rid of our soft core of starters, anybody that plays with grit would do (prefer 5 new starters ASAP).

[vancityballer]

Whatever I've grown tired of this whole 2010 bull****. Let's just rebuild.

You get a plan together on how we do this and let me know. Dead weight contracts and a GM with no vision for the make-up of a winning franchise are clouding my vision.

[alpha]

Can't wait till Bosh packs up his bags and gets out... This season has been all about will he..won't he.Can't wait until reality hits him in the face just like Damon, Tracy and Vince

Only problem I see,... is that Bosh is playing at such a low level that there might not be other teams willing to sign and trade at the max.. Raps will be stuck with his crap again....and eventually he will cry himself outta here.

Actually, this season is all about how to waste $10 mil:

- Bargs "I'm lazy and unfocused", and we made him our starting C when he's just not a starting big man in the NBA. He's a SF or a 6th man.
- Turk, I was overpaid by a overrated GM
- Jose, he's barely a starter now

These are the 3 reasons this season went sideways, it's pretty clear to see. Not only can they not play their positions at an adequate level to compete but there attitudes seem to have had a negative effect on the overall team.

Youre just like the suppossed STAR you worship.. a big crybaby who blames others for his misfortunes.... Says a lot about him and you.

[azuresou1]

It's fun watching fanbases self-combust because they had unrealistic projections for their team. What were you expecting when you decided to start 3 soft Euros who are getting paid $30 mil annually?

[dacrusha]

BC has set this team up for 20-30 wins over the next 5 years: giant contracts for mediocre players (Jose, Turk, Bargs), very little young talent (DD, the only young talent that might develop into a decent player) and very few tradeable assets to build quickly (little in the way of young talent/draft picks/expiring contracts).

If I were Bosh, I'd be out of here as soon as July 1st comes, because unless BC has the balls to make some bold moves (ie, like dumping his boyfriend Bargs) and getting us another star to play along our current one, this team is going nowhere.

But then, that's the direction posters like Dagger want to see this team go.

who is the star that you realistically think BC can get for Bargs (if he had the balls nevertheless)
Please share...

BC is the boy genius who was brought in here to build a contender.

The only way a contender is built is if you have at least two stars on the roster (see all the contenders' rosters right now).

Since every contender has found a way to get at least two legitimate stars to play on their roster (even dumbasses like Ainge in Boston and Kupchak in LA turned the trick), it should be easy for BC to do the same.

If you're going to say that it can't be done in Toronto, then you might as well give up on any championship aspirations for this franchise for good.

Every player has a price, so I'd say there's a a few players (in the range of, say, Andrew Bogut) out there that can be had for the right price.

[C Court]

#1. This is a new tune insofar that Bosh had previously spoken about being "the man" wherever he eventually went. Now, not so much.

#2. Don't believe the "I have enough money" claim. If Bosh can get max money somewhere, he'll jump at it - even if it means signing with a rebuilding Nets team in a S&T deal.

Bosh has less than ten years left in the NBA and after that he's basically going to have to live off whatever he's earned during his career. The additional $30 million he earns in a max deal can pay him an extra $750,000+ per year for the rest of his life, without touching the principal (after taxes). No way he walks away from that.

Bosh was so upset at having to pay the fine for a bogus technical foul last year, he was screaming in the locker room for the NBA to pay it back. In fact, I don't remember him getting a tech at all this season.

Bosh wants his money, and he will get it. I don't think it'll be from the Raptors. That much is evident.

Goodbye Bosh...

Bosh also balked at paying meaningful child support last spring. So I don't see him walking away from a max money deal that pays him an extra $30 million. Frankly, that's the right move.

But you're exactly correct - it won't be in Toronto.

[Kid Cudi]

Sounds like Chicago might be perfect, they have a great core to contend with him. Assuming he thinks it is...

a) Would Bosh want to live in a really cold place like Chicago? Didn't he mention something about Toronto being the only cold place he'd want to play on?
b) What can we get from them in return for Bosh?

[C Court]

What bothers me, as a fan, is that with 10 games left to play and the playoffs up in the air, our team is in turmoil, spinning out of control and we still have to hear this same speculative crap surrounding Bosh. I "get" that he needs to leave all his doors open, because they are and that it's a good bargening tool. I understand all that. I appreciate the politics and acting job you need to do, to a degree.

But on the other hand, I just wish we would hear firm statements about playoffs, winning games, inspiring team mates, and so forth. You can keep your options open contractually and simply state that your focus is on the team and winning these critical games and that he'll deal with his free agency WHEN HE IS A FREE AGENT.

The focus should be on the name on the front of the jerey, not the back.
(and yes I completely understand that are connected during this important off season).

Excellent post. My sentiments exactly.

At this juncture with their collective backs against the wall our team leader needs to step up and say to the media and his team mates ... "I have no comment on next season because my only focus is taking the Raptors to the playoffs. Period".

Its telling that we heard something very different.