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Re: DeMarcus Cousins. How good can he get? 

Post#301 » by Jazzfan12 » Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:32 am

Yeah, my opinion of Cousins and Wall is the same. Bledsoe, however, showed off, once again, that he has mental issues, which is a problem for a point guard.
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Re: DeMarcus Cousins. How good can he get? 

Post#302 » by Jimmy76 » Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:34 am

i dont think this game affected anyones stock
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Post#303 » by BBen » Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:35 am

I was actually really unimpressed by Wall. He was scrappy, made a couple good defensive plays but he was telegraphing passes, picking the ball up far too early and completely unable to hit Cousins in the post even when he was being guarded by WVU's PG. He also took a couple of bad outside jumpers that weren't in the rhythm of the offense. Of course he did prove once again that he's an incredible finisher and a one man fast break.
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Re: DeMarcus Cousins. How good can he get? 

Post#304 » by Basileus777 » Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:29 am

Wall played poor defense and was ineffective in the half-court. I still have no confidence in Cousins' ability to be even a mediocre defender on the NBA level.
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Post#305 » by UGA Hayes » Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:18 am

Whew it sucks to be a big man in college. Cousins let his temper get to him but he was getting mauled out there, which IMO ultimately did Kentucky in, b/c they felt they had to keep shooting 3s. I can't believe WV is in the final four. This could be the least talented final 4 ever. What a dissapointment from a scouting perspective. The only interesting prospects left are Haywood and Udoh.
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Re: DeMarcus Cousins. How good can he get? 

Post#306 » by klemen4 » Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:04 pm

Cousins if drafted top 5 will be a bust in NBA..to slow and not athletic enough. Also I doubt he can defend at Nba level. Michael Olowokandi clone IMO.

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Post#307 » by TAI8 » Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:02 pm

^
He's already more skilled than Olowokandi ever was...terrible comparison.
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Re: DeMarcus Cousins. How good can he get? 

Post#308 » by H00PDREAMS » Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:50 pm

Player= Best Case/ Worst Case
Wall = Future Hall of Famer/ All Star
Cousins = Starter/Role Player
Bledsoe = Role Player/ Backup PG
Paterson = Starter/ Backup PF
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Post#309 » by Jimmy76 » Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:52 pm

H00PDREAMS wrote:Player= Best Case/ Worst Case
Wall = Future Hall of Famer/ All Star
Cousins = Starter/Role Player
Bledsoe = Role Player/ Backup PG
Paterson = Starter/ Backup PF

you dont think cousins has all star potential?
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Post#310 » by -Illmatic- » Mon Mar 29, 2010 2:51 am

H00PDREAMS wrote:Player= Best Case/ Worst Case
Wall = Future Hall of Famer/ All Star
Cousins = Starter/Role Player
Bledsoe = Role Player/ Backup PG
Paterson = Starter/ Backup PF


Wall's floor is not an allstar. And what is the difference between a role player and a back up pg?
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Re: DeMarcus Cousins. How good can he get? 

Post#311 » by ptown08 » Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:04 pm

H00PDREAMS wrote:Player= Best Case/ Worst Case
Wall = Future Hall of Famer/ All Star
Cousins = Starter/Role Player
Bledsoe = Role Player/ Backup PG
Paterson = Starter/ Backup PF


What a joke! Wall's floor at All Satr, so you honestly think that he will not ever be worse than an all star. I see Devin Harris in him, he doesn't have the control of a Chris Paul or Deron Williams.

Cousins' best case is Top 5 player at C, and perennial all-star.

Bledsoe would stay at Kentucky if he was smart and Patterson will be an effective starter mid career, like a Udonis Haslem.

But forget all these Kentucky players, the real game changer and franchise player is Evan Turner, I think what happened to Roy is happening with him, he's being over looked in favor of 'potential' and athleticism.
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Re: DeMarcus Cousins. How good can he get? 

Post#312 » by nate33 » Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:05 pm

Cousins is plenty athletic to play center in the NBA. He's not an explosive leaper, but he has quick feet. He takes a lot of charges, which is damn impressive for a freshman. Physically, he has the tools to be an above-average starting NBA center, maybe even an All-Star caliber center. The only question is whether he'll put in the effort.

And I don't think Wall's performance is any reason whatsoever to be down on his pro prospects. The difference between college and the NBA is huge for the PG position. In the NBA, there is a lot more spacing and there's hand check rules. Any college PG with a quick first step plus the height and leaping ability to finish in traffic is almost a sure bet to be productive at the NBA level. It's just impossible to guard guys like that.

Wall will be a force in the NBA. The only question is whether he'll ultimately be able to fine tune his PG skills so that he can be a Chris Paul type of player who elevates his teammates. At worst, he'll be a Derrick Rose.
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Post#313 » by ahartleyvu » Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:06 pm

Cousins also plays very well vs guys that are bigger. WVU's bigs are essentially freakishly lengthy SFs. Once he is in the NBA up against actual PFs and Centers, he'll own them. He "struggles" (hasn't struggled all year so thats probably not the right word) against smaller defenders.
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Post#314 » by mattg » Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:38 pm

H00PDREAMS wrote:Player= Best Case/ Worst Case
Wall = Future Hall of Famer/ All Star
Cousins = Starter/Role Player
Bledsoe = Role Player/ Backup PG
Paterson = Starter/ Backup PF

this post typifies the John Wall hype train. the worst he could be in the NBA is an All-star? Are you kidding me? Obviously he has the potential, and could end up being a HoF, but honestly that probably ain't happening. Wall coming into the NBA is going to be a middle of the pack starting point guard, probably around 15-20th best in the league. The point guard position is STACKED with young talent at the moment, it makes it unlikely that Wall will rack up All-star appearances and accolades, he isn't that much of a can't miss prospect. Like I've continually said, he looks like a Devin Harris fringe all-star type player to me.
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Post#315 » by Wade2k6 » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:15 pm

ptown08 wrote:
H00PDREAMS wrote:Player= Best Case/ Worst Case
Wall = Future Hall of Famer/ All Star
Cousins = Starter/Role Player
Bledsoe = Role Player/ Backup PG
Paterson = Starter/ Backup PF


What a joke! Wall's floor at All Satr, so you honestly think that he will not ever be worse than an all star. I see Devin Harris in him, he doesn't have the control of a Chris Paul or Deron Williams.

Cousins' best case is Top 5 player at C, and perennial all-star.

Bledsoe would stay at Kentucky if he was smart and Patterson will be an effective starter mid career, like a Udonis Haslem.

But forget all these Kentucky players, the real game changer and franchise player is Evan Turner, I think what happened to Roy is happening with him, he's being over looked in favor of 'potential' and athleticism.

What do you mean he's being overlooked? He's the consensus #2 pick by mostly everyone (not named Sid the Squid). Most people just feel that Wall's game might translate better because he is more athletic and has a very advanced game for his age (plus he has a higher ceiling).
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Re: DeMarcus Cousins. How good can he get? 

Post#316 » by theBigLip » Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:55 pm

I'd have to bet that Wall will turn out to be a great NBA player. Too many GMs and draft experts have all said he's #1. They haven't all agreed on anyone since Darko at #2 :-) Seriously, he is a likely future All Star.

I still can't believe all the hate on Cousins. I've watched some Kentucky games during the season and the playoffs, and he seems to have pretty good court awareness, passes well out of double teams, and has a good motor going after rebounds. He certainly has an NBA ready body and, come on, he is already better than Olowakandi. I'm pretty sure we're going to see Cousins in an All Star game in a few years, and I hope he's representing the Pistons when he goes.
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Post#317 » by 9abovetherim » Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:09 pm

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Post#318 » by Sid the Squid » Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:31 am

theBigLip wrote:I'd have to bet that Wall will turn out to be a great NBA player. Too many GMs and draft experts have all said he's #1. They haven't all agreed on anyone since Darko at #2 :-) Seriously, he is a likely future All Star.
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Wall's going to be a fine player, but thank God the silly hype has calmed down a bit.
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Post#319 » by Cammo101 » Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:09 am

Sid the Squid wrote:
theBigLip wrote:I'd have to bet that Wall will turn out to be a great NBA player. Too many GMs and draft experts have all said he's #1. They haven't all agreed on anyone since Darko at #2 :-) Seriously, he is a likely future All Star.
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Wall's going to be a fine player, but thank God the silly hype has calmed down a bit.


Not I. I said the idea of taking Beasley over Rose was ludicrous. And got bashed all over this board. Same goes here with Wall and Cousins. Cousins is a nice prospect, but taking him over Wall is ludicrous.
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Re: DeMarcus Cousins. How good can he get? 

Post#320 » by SSUBluesman » Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:00 am

The discussion of Beasley is interesting given issues about Cousin's character concerns as well as how well his inside game will translate to the NBA.
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