Andray Blatche - Resurgence Thread ( Merged )

[Bickerstaff]

^^Yea, maybe it would be overboard if, oh, Andray didn't have an extensive history of being IMMATURE.

What exactly did he do that you are saying was immature ?

The fact that he reacted to narrowly missing his first triple double ? Twice

I suppose you would have acted like a drone about it and showed no re-action at all.

Personally, I wouldn't even be counting, and I wouldn't even consider it an accomplishment because a) it was against the nets, an even sorrier team than the lowly wizards, and b) the team I play for sucks balls.

This may not be as bad as the Ricky Davis stunt, but it's just as lame.

And on a side note, you Blatche apologists are as hilarious as the Gilbert apologists.

At some point, don't you get tired of defending the constant negative situations Blatche happens to find himself in on an almost bi-weekly basis? it's like a bad rerun of a horrible soap opera.

Do you ever get tired of expecting these guys to act like nothing but basketball-playing robots? They're people. They make mistakes. They have emotions. And Andray Blatche has hardly found himself in constant negative situations. The great bulk of the negativity is in your head.

[yungal07]

Do you ever get tired of expecting these guys to act like nothing but basketball-playing robots? They're people. They make mistakes. They have emotions. And Andray Blatche has hardly found himself in constant negative situations. The great bulk of the negativity is in your head.

LOL!

So I'm making up his "underpaid" statement? I'm making up his unwillingness to go into a game because he threw a childish fit? I'm making up the comments about him deserving a apology from the coach? I'm making up him not getting medical treatment from the medical staff because he's a whiny punk? I'm making up him trying to get a prostitute on one of the hottest streets in DC? I'm making up him partying and being at the stripclub right after blowout losses like nothing even happened?

I'm calling it as I see it, friend. I'm not going to spare Blatche because he's a Wizard. I don't know how anyone can sit there and honestly tell themselves Andray Blatche is not an immature knucklehead.

[miller31time]

Do you ever get tired of expecting these guys to act like nothing but basketball-playing robots? They're people. They make mistakes. They have emotions. And Andray Blatche has hardly found himself in constant negative situations. The great bulk of the negativity is in your head.

LOL!

So I'm making up his "underpaid" statement? I'm making up his unwillingness to go into a game because he threw a childish fit? I'm making up the comments about him deserving a apology from the coach? I'm making up him not getting medical treatment from the medical staff because he's a whiny punk? I'm making up him trying to get a prostitute on one of the hottest streets in DC? I'm making up him partying and being at the stripclub right after blowout losses like nothing even happened?

I'm calling it as I see it, friend. I'm not going to spare Blatche because he's a Wizard. I don't know how anyone can sit there and honestly tell themselves Andray Blatche is not an immature knucklehead.

I'm with you on this one. I think Blatche is 100% a knucklehead. How many times does a player need to do something stupid before his fans stop giving him the benefit of the doubt?

I'm a fan of Blatche's game and I hope to god he can eventually learn how to conduct himself both on the court and off but I in no way will defend his actions.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDzRvZcFn48&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

Can anyone watch that video and seriously not think it was yet another immature sequence of events from Blatche?

Phil Chenier....the same Phil Chenier who would never speak ill of a Wizards player....seemed disappointed in Andray.....Phil Chenier.....yes, Phil Chenier.

Is it a huge deal in the grand scheme of things? No, but it's another piece to the bonehead puzzle.

[montestewart]

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Phil Chenier...

Yes, he did have a disappointed tone, after so recently celebrating with some storied Bullets of the past who perhaps were from a more selfless era.

Still, I recall Olajuwon's antics in trying to complete a quadruple double. Blatche is a long way from Olajuwon, but it happens.

[miller31time]

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Phil Chenier...

Yes, he did have a disappointed tone, after so recently celebrating with some storied Bullets of the past who perhaps were from a more selfless era.

Still, I recall Olajuwon's antics in trying to complete a quadruple double. Blatche is a long way from Olajuwon, but it happens.

As others on this board have said, the "but ___ did it too" argument should never hold much weight. Just because one person did something wrong doesn't mean it's okay for another.

Also, not only was Olajuwon a much better, more respectable, classy, selfless individual who did not have a track record of idiotic behavior, he was going for something that happens once in a lifetime (only 4, including Olajuwon have done it).

There's really no way to spin this into something positive or even non-negative.

[montestewart]

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I'm not trying to make it positive; I think I was the first comment on it in the game thread. Still, I saw Blatche give previously unseen effort in the preseason, and take a big leap when he was given the starting spot. He has a very low salary and he's only 23.

There's a lot of frustration over the team's fortunes, but I don't want to get too carried away. List all the Blatche negatives; I see them too, but I don't yet see the sky falling, and I prefer to imagine the possibility of a 23 year old growing into a more mature role, and maybe someday looking back and recalling how that mad dash for one more rebound made him look like a buffoon.

[miller31time]

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I'm not trying to make it positive; I think I was the first comment on it in the game thread. Still, I saw Blatche give previously unseen effort in the preseason, and take a big leap when he was given the starting spot. He has a very low salary and he's only 23.

There's a lot of frustration over the team's fortunes, but I don't want to get too carried away. List all the Blatche negatives; I see them too, but I don't yet see the sky falling, and I prefer to imagine the possibility of a 23 year old growing into a more mature role

I agree that the sky isn't falling and that Blatche has many positives. He's young, talented and improving. He has near unlimited potential and doesn't seem to be a bad person. But he's also an immature knucklehead who hasn't shown one iota of maturity this season irrespective of his improving statistics. I'm not saying this because I love to be negative and hope that the worst case scenario is our destination. I'm saying this because it appears that many are willing to keep brushing off Blatche's idiocy as isolated incidents (I'm not talking about you, directly). I believe highly in character and I just don't see a lot of it in Blatche. If he's going to be a big part of this team moving forward, it's going to be difficult for us to count upon such an unstable presence.

and maybe someday looking back and recalling how that mad dash for one more rebound made him look like a buffoon.

Which is fine if this were just one small mistake in a fairly mistake-free career. Can we really say that without spitting out our respective drinks?

[montestewart]

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You know, I'm a Wizards fan. If all those guns aren't even loaded, what's the big deal?

I hear you. Shot in preseason, arrested for soliciting, etc. I have a strong institutional memory. Then I see Blatche's passing and think, "That's maturity of a sort." And I hope for the best. Not much surprises me around here.

[doclinkin]

Pretty sure there are 29 other teams who would be happy to have a player who would 'selfishly' work for a triple double. Personally I'm very happy with that sort of immaturity. Jeez, some people in this city pick more nits than a troop of baboons. Seriously.

[miller31time]

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You know, I'm a Wizards fan. If all those guns aren't even loaded, what's the big deal?

I hear you. Shot in preseason, arrested for soliciting, etc. I have a strong institutional memory. Then I see Blatche's passing and think, "That's maturity of a sort." And I hope for the best. Not much surprises me around here.

Hoping for the best, expecting the worst - the life of a Wizards fan.

[miller31time]

Pretty sure there are 29 other teams who would be happy to have a player who would 'selfishly' work for a triple double. Personally I'm very happy with that sort of immaturity. Jeez, some people in this city pick more nits than a troop of baboons. Seriously.

That's certainly how our PR department would put it.

[ErikChowbay023]

He shown signs of maturity this year, and also showed signs of being a leader, and also someone willing to listen and improves on previous mistakes.

The comments after the Hou loss were a great example, of how he`s grown as a leader and a player. Especially considering how little and meaningless the game was.

If you dont remember this...

It's 16 & counting for Wiz after blowing another game in HOU. Andray Blatche scores 31 pts but shoulders the blame: http://bit.ly/bTKC7d

"I was thinking there was no way we could lose this game," Blatche said.

Blatche had 31 points at the time, having little trouble working around Rockets undersized center Chuck Hayes or anyone else thrown against him. And therein was the problem. Because as the game continued, Blatche refused to believe that the Rockets could stop him. But not only did the Rockets figure out how to keep Blatche silent the rest of the night, they also held the Wizards to just one meaningless field goal the rest of the game, resulting a disappointing 98-94 loss at Toyota Center.

Rockets reserve Chase Budinger broke a 92-all tie with a bank shot with 28.3 seconds remaining and later added two decisive free throws as the Wizards extended their franchise-record losing skid to 16 games. It was the fourth time during this streak that the Wizards (21-52) had lost a game decided by six points or fewer. They lost another game to Charlotte in overtime.



"We were there. We've been in games. That's the frustrating thing," Coach Flip Saunders said afterward. "But I told our guys. 'We don't have that trust factor.' The reason we did so well over the first 46 minutes is because we shared the ball. All of sudden we got down to the last few minutes and decided to play a different way -- stand and watch."

Saunders singled out Blatche, who had his fifth 30-point game since the all-star break. But after his three-point play gave the Wizards an 89-84 lead, he missed his final four shots -- including two in the final 61 seconds, when he admitted to ignoring open teammates. "I got to learn from it," said Blatche, who added 10 rebounds and three assists (all of his assists were in the first half). "I just want to say my teammates did what they was supposed to do. I take full responsibility for the loss. I don't know; I just got to grow from it. I have to show trust in my teammates, be more relaxed and take what's given."

[doclinkin]

There's really no way to spin this into something positive or even non-negative.

Oh god shut the hell up.

I get so tired of the Cassandra complex that's clung to by many Wiz fans. Doom, persecution, always looking for the worm in the apple.

Spin it? No need to spin mfing 13 assists from a frontcourt player. That's outstanding. Hell I want Dray gunning for a triple double every gattamn game. If he'd pulled his first one and gotten accolades for it, gotten notice, it would encourage him to go for more. That's what you want is a player taking it personally. Many of the best rebounders in the game are selfish boardsmen. It's the attitude you need to rip them down -- to treat each one as if if were yours and you'd kill anyone who got in the territory. Really? I can't believe actual fans would be complaining about that shxt? Really? Hell Dray just had a game with a grand total of ONE frickin' rebound, but somehow it's a bad thing he was gunning for double digits?

Shaking my MFn head at some of you people. Look it's a positive thing when a player starts to get it, put in the effort. Kid is playing well, stringing them together, improving every game, fixing some of his problems as they come up.

Tell you what, at the very least save your complaints for the games he plays poorly and we lose, okay? Pretty sure you'll all have ample opportunity for griping if that's what satisfies you as a fan.

Cripes.

[old rem]

There's really no way to spin this into something positive or even non-negative.

Oh god shut the hell up.

I get so tired of the Cassandra complex that's clung to by many Wiz fans. Doom, persecution, always looking for the worm in the apple.

Spin it? No need to spin mfing 13 assists from a frontcourt player. That's outstanding. Hell I want Dray gunning for a triple double every gattamn game. If he'd pulled his first one and gotten accolades for it, gotten notice, it would encourage him to go for more. That's what you want is a player taking it personally. Many of the best rebounders in the game are selfish boardsmen. It's the attitude you need to rip them down -- to treat each one as if if were yours and you'd kill anyone who got in the territory. Really? I can't believe actual fans would be complaining about that shxt? Really? Hell Dray just had a game with a grand total of ONE frickin' rebound, but somehow it's a bad thing he was gunning for double digits?

Shaking my MFn head at some of you people. Look it's a positive thing when a player starts to get it, put in the effort. Kid is playing well, stringing them together, improving every game, fixing some of his problems as they come up.

Tell you what, at the very least save your complaints for the games he plays poorly and we lose, okay? Pretty sure you'll all have ample opportunity for griping if that's what satisfies you as a fan.

Cripes.

There is often a hard road to the top and it often begins near the bottom. that Blatche has begun to turn his scattered talents into a PRO game...has to be great. I like to see a player discover that there's MORE to it.

[miller31time]

There's really no way to spin this into something positive or even non-negative.

Oh god shut the hell up.

I get so tired of the Cassandra complex that's clung to by many Wiz fans. Doom, persecution, always looking for the worm in the apple.

Spin it? No need to spin mfing 13 assists from a frontcourt player. That's outstanding. Hell I want Dray gunning for a triple double every gattamn game. If he'd pulled his first one and gotten accolades for it, gotten notice, it would encourage him to go for more. That's what you want is a player taking it personally. Many of the best rebounders in the game are selfish boardsmen. It's the attitude you need to rip them down -- to treat each one as if if were yours and you'd kill anyone who got in the territory. Really? I can't believe actual fans would be complaining about that shxt? Really? Hell Dray just had a game with a grand total of ONE frickin' rebound, but somehow it's a bad thing he was gunning for double digits?

Shaking my MFn head at some of you people. Look it's a positive thing when a player starts to get it, put in the effort. Kid is playing well, stringing them together, improving every game, fixing some of his problems as they come up.

Tell you what, at the very least save your complaints for the games he plays poorly and we lose, okay? Pretty sure you'll all have ample opportunity for griping if that's what satisfies you as a fan.

Cripes.

Doc, I again ask that you not lash out at me. Keep things civil and all. If you have a problem with me, send me a PM and we'll talk. Hope everything is alright.

About Blatche, I would love to see things the way you do, but I don't. To save time and skip the inevitable non-resolution, I'll keep it at that.

[hands11]

^^Yea, maybe it would be overboard if, oh, Andray didn't have an extensive history of being IMMATURE.

What exactly did he do that you are saying was immature ?

The fact that he reacted to narrowly missing his first triple double ? Twice

I suppose you would have acted like a drone about it and showed no re-action at all.

Personally, I wouldn't even be counting, and I wouldn't even consider it an accomplishment because a) it was against the nets, an even sorrier team than the lowly wizards, and b) the team I play for sucks balls.

This may not be as bad as the Ricky Davis stunt, but it's just as lame.

And on a side note, you Blatche apologists are as hilarious as the Gilbert apologists.

At some point, don't you get tired of defending the constant negative situations Blatche happens to find himself in on an almost bi-weekly basis? it's like a bad rerun of a horrible soap opera.

Wow. Not sure how to react to that exactly without being overly insulting. Maybe I should just let it be.

[hands11]

Do you ever get tired of expecting these guys to act like nothing but basketball-playing robots? They're people. They make mistakes. They have emotions. And Andray Blatche has hardly found himself in constant negative situations. The great bulk of the negativity is in your head.

LOL!

So I'm making up his "underpaid" statement? I'm making up his unwillingness to go into a game because he threw a childish fit? I'm making up the comments about him deserving a apology from the coach? I'm making up him not getting medical treatment from the medical staff because he's a whiny punk? I'm making up him trying to get a prostitute on one of the hottest streets in DC? I'm making up him partying and being at the stripclub right after blowout losses like nothing even happened?

I'm calling it as I see it, friend. I'm not going to spare Blatche because he's a Wizard. I don't know how anyone can sit there and honestly tell themselves Andray Blatche is not an immature knucklehead.

ok that's enough nonsense

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[hands11]

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You know, I'm a Wizards fan. If all those guns aren't even loaded, what's the big deal?

I hear you. Shot in preseason, arrested for soliciting, etc. I have a strong institutional memory. Then I see Blatche's passing and think, "That's maturity of a sort." And I hope for the best. Not much surprises me around here.

Hoping for the best, expecting the worst - the life of a Wizards fan.

What actually does it take to become a ,mod or a global mod ?

Honestly Miller, your worse than a lot of the regular posters. How many things are you going to come down on the wrong side of ? Not sure if there some rule against calling out a mod but to many of your posts make me just wonder.

Maybe I expect to much but I expect the mods to be more mature and more insightful than the average poster because Mods set the tone.

[miller31time]

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You know, I'm a Wizards fan. If all those guns aren't even loaded, what's the big deal?

I hear you. Shot in preseason, arrested for soliciting, etc. I have a strong institutional memory. Then I see Blatche's passing and think, "That's maturity of a sort." And I hope for the best. Not much surprises me around here.

Hoping for the best, expecting the worst - the life of a Wizards fan.

What actually does it take to become a ,mod or a global mod ?

Honestly Miller, your worse than a lot of the regular posters. How many things are you going to come down on the wrong side of ? Not sure if there some rule against calling out a mod but to many of your posts make me just wonder.

Maybe I expect to much but I expect the mods to be more mature and more insightful than the average poster because Mods set the tone.

hands11, please take all complaints of mods to RealGM's feedback or suggestions board or the following thread on this board....

viewtopic.php?f=35&t=1000195

Thanks!

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Pretty sure there are 29 other teams who would be happy to have a player who would 'selfishly' work for a triple double. Personally I'm very happy with that sort of immaturity. Jeez, some people in this city pick more nits than a troop of baboons. Seriously.

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