Official Trade Thread XIII - Summer of 2010

[AceDegenerate]

Foye is not getting the MLE from anybody. He sucks. We should've never made the trade.

He is Juan Dixon with a dribble.

[verbal8]

I posed a Foye question to you all after the trade deadline - would the Wiz match a 4 to 5 mil offer from another team?

Did some team just hire Isiah Thomas as their GM? j/k I doubt he gets that much.

The Laker board is hot for him but not at the full MLE.
Any insight?

I think being paired with Roy in Portland or Kobe in LA would be the perfect fit for him. He is decent in most areas of his game, but is a good shooter.

[nate33]

I posed a Foye question to you all after the trade deadline - would the Wiz match a 4 to 5 mil offer from another team?

Now that he's been the main guard for you for a few months since the suspensions, and with the wiretap story, just wondering if this still holds true... The Laker board is hot for him but not at the full MLE.

Any insight?

No. The Wizards won't pay $5M to retain Foye. If they were interested in doing so, they would have extended the qualifying offer.

[Dat2U]

I posed a Foye question to you all after the trade deadline - would the Wiz match a 4 to 5 mil offer from another team?

Now that he's been the main guard for you for a few months since the suspensions, and with the wiretap story, just wondering if this still holds true... The Laker board is hot for him but not at the full MLE.

Any insight?

I've thought for a while Foye & the Lakers would be an ideal fit. Foye makes alot sense as Fisher's replacement. He doesn't need to be a real PG. Just spot up or come off of screens and hit open jumpers. Basically, he's like Fisher, but 8 years younger. Both have the clutch gene to nail big shots late but OTOH both will also get lit up by quicker PGs defensively.

As for signing him. We have no interest in keeping him. We need more than tweener at this point and we have bigger aspirations for our cap space. He's all yours if you want him.

[verbal8]

I posed a Foye question to you all after the trade deadline - would the Wiz match a 4 to 5 mil offer from another team?

Now that he's been the main guard for you for a few months since the suspensions, and with the wiretap story, just wondering if this still holds true... The Laker board is hot for him but not at the full MLE.

Any insight?

I've thought for a while Foye & the Lakers would be an ideal fit. Foye makes alot sense as Fisher's replacement. He doesn't need to be a real PG. Just spot up or come off of screens and hit open jumpers. Basically, he's like Fisher, but 8 years younger. Both have the clutch gene to nail big shots late but OTOH both will also get lit up by quicker PGs defensively.

As for signing him. We have no interest in keeping him. We need more than tweener at this point and we have bigger aspirations for our cap space. He's all yours if you want him.

A Foye S&T to the Lakers might be a good BOYD trade. They send the Wizards Vujacic, cash towards his salary and the 2011 1st(probably heavily protected). It gives the Lakers a decent player and luxury tax savings or a TPE for the salary difference.

[LyricalRico]

^ I would consider Foye for Vujacic+pick+$3M. But why would the Lakers need to protect their 2011 first? There whole team is coming back and Foye would be an upgrade for them, so the pick is going to be one of last few picks in the first round anyway.

[daddyfivestar]

Thanks for the replies.
As for the trade idea - love it. Saves LA their MLE by trading instead - and with 3 2nds in the '11, do they really need a late late 1st?

Of course, if I threw that out on the trade board it'd probably get ripped as terrible.

[Hoopalotta]

I don't like it. I'd rather just keep McGee as a backup C (where he seems much more comfortable by the way) and avoid overpaying Frye. I'm not quite ready to give McGee for a mid-1st rounder yet.

Also James Anderson, while a decent NBA prospect, is not someone I'm fawning over to get.

I guess at this stage in the process I'm more interested in adding & keeping athletic talent than finding system guys.

I'm definitely with that, though I'd go so far as to say I think McGee has made some strides of late and is playing with more purpose and consistency.

I still think he can put it all together.

No way would I trade him for an average guard or a mid round pick.

[Hoopalotta]

Oh, and also, I wouldn't trade McGee for an average guard or a mid round pick.

[verbal8]

^ I would consider Foye for Vujacic+pick+$3M. But why would the Lakers need to protect their 2011 first? There whole team is coming back and Foye would be an upgrade for them, so the pick is going to be one of last few picks in the first round anyway.

What if Kobe gets injured and Bynum is disappointing? In the West that could be enough to knock them to the bottom of the play-offs or even out. I don't think the pick protection would actually matter, but I think the Lakers would want it to avoid giving up a middle of the 1st pick for Foye.

[nate33]

^ I would consider Foye for Vujacic+pick+$3M. But why would the Lakers need to protect their 2011 first? There whole team is coming back and Foye would be an upgrade for them, so the pick is going to be one of last few picks in the first round anyway.

The Lakers need to include more. Essentially, we are paying $2.4M for Vujacic (one of the worst players in the NBA) and the #29 pick. Late 1sts don't cost that much. Indeed, from LA's perspective, we're saving them $7.8M in salary and luxtax fees by eating Vujacic's contract and it only costs them the #29 pick in the draft.

Screw that. We can do more with our cap space elsewhere. I'm sure there are some over-the-luxtax teams who would pay more for us to save them $8M.

[daddyfivestar]

Actually, New York paid 3 mil + a '11 2nd for the Lakers pick last year (#29). 2.4 out of pocket seem fair for a swap of this sort.

But I was thinking the same thing about the Wiz cap space. Why would they want to bite into it at all when they can go for something pretty decent? Isn't that part of the reason they'd let Foye straight walk?

[Dat2U]

^ I would consider Foye for Vujacic+pick+$3M. But why would the Lakers need to protect their 2011 first? There whole team is coming back and Foye would be an upgrade for them, so the pick is going to be one of last few picks in the first round anyway.

The Lakers need to include more. Essentially, we are paying $2.4M for Vujacic (one of the worst players in the NBA) and the #29 pick. Late 1sts don't cost that much. Indeed, from LA's perspective, we're saving them $7.8M in salary and luxtax fees by eating Vujacic's contract and it only costs them the #29 pick in the draft.

Screw that. We can do more with our cap space elsewhere. I'm sure there are some over-the-luxtax teams who would pay more for us to save them $8M.

Agreed. A Lakers 1st rounder is about as un-enticing as it gets. Frankly I see more value in NJ's 2nd rounder. Outside of their core players, there's no one on the Lakers I'd want. We'd be doing them one helluva favor to take on Vujacic in a swap for Foye. And I'm not in the EG camp of going out and providing favors to every GM that comes calling.

[verbal8]

^ I would consider Foye for Vujacic+pick+$3M. But why would the Lakers need to protect their 2011 first? There whole team is coming back and Foye would be an upgrade for them, so the pick is going to be one of last few picks in the first round anyway.

The Lakers need to include more. Essentially, we are paying $2.4M for Vujacic (one of the worst players in the NBA) and the #29 pick. Late 1sts don't cost that much. Indeed, from LA's perspective, we're saving them $7.8M in salary and luxtax fees by eating Vujacic's contract and it only costs them the #29 pick in the draft.

Screw that. We can do more with our cap space elsewhere. I'm sure there are some over-the-luxtax teams who would pay more for us to save them $8M.

The Wizards could get them to take on Quinton Ross. I was not aware of their many 2nds in 2011. Maybe 2 of those rather than the 1st.

Foye(S&T) & Ross for Vujacic + $3M + 2 2nds. The Lakers are turning Vujacic into 1 productive player and a end of the roster player. The Lakers get Foye and would still have their full TPE.

The cash and the savings on Ross might be enough to buy out Vujacic. So basically the cap space was traded for 2 2nds. Or Vujacic could be traded for an even bigger expiring and pick up more prospects and/or picks.

[nate33]

I like the inclusion of Ross.

Foye + Ross for Vujacic + $3M + LA 2010 1st + LA 2011 2nd would work for me.

It only costs us $1.3M out of pocket (though the cap hit is bigger) and if Vujacic can be bought out for $4.1M of his remaining $5.4M contract, then it's a break-even deal cashwise. Basically, we get a late first and a future late 2nd for free. The only "cost" is a bookeeping entry on the salary cap balance sheet.

The Lakers save $5.5M in cash and luxtax fees which they use to sign Foye.

[Dat2U]

Again, I see no benefit in taking on Vujacic. For what? A couple of 2nd rounders? That's just throwing cap room away, regardless if its cash neutral deal or not.

That's setting the BOYD bar low. Too low...

[nate33]

Again, I see no benefit in taking on Vujacic. For what? A couple of 2nd rounders? That's just throwing cap room away, regardless if its cash neutral deal or not.

That's setting the BOYD bar low. Too low...

I would insist on a first rounder. I agree that two late second rounders isn't worth squat. Picks that late are no better than walk-ons.

[nate33]

I posted this on the "Other Teams' Moves" thread but it really belongs here.

San Antonio just signed Ginobili to a 3-year $40M contract. Parker, Ginobili, Jefferson, McDyess and Duncan alone cost $65M, and that doesn't include the other 7 players on their roster. The luxtax is likely to be around $63M. Clearly, San Antonio would be interested in saving some money.

Here's a high-risk, high-reward BOYD scenario:

San Antonio trades: Richard Jefferson + $3M cash + Rights to Splitter + 2013 unprotected 1st
Washington trades: Quenton Ross (plus a S&T for Foye and/or Miller if they want one of them)

The trade costs us a whopping $14.4M ($11.4M after factoring the cash) but we land the rights to a quality center and a potential lottery pick. (Tim Duncan will probably retire in the 2012 offseason.) The biggest problem is that we wouldn't have the cap room left to sign Splitter this year. He'd have to agree to a one-year extension on his current Brazillian contract and then let us sign him in 2011.

[Ruzious]

It's an interesting thought nate, but that's not the kind of move SA would make, imo. They know they have to rebuild after Duncan's contract runs out, so they're planning for it. Splitter isn't likely to go to the NBA next season anyway, because he won't want to be stuck the year after with a possible lockout. He's getting paid nicely in Europe, in the meantime. Unless they don't think Duncan/Parker/Ginobili can't get er done next season, they should bite the lux tax bullet and make another playoffs run.

[likwitdesi]

After years of seeing Gil's immaturity, I don't want to see the same thing play out with Blatche. What about Blatche straight up for Blake Griffin?

Given Griffin's knee injury and Blatche now being a proven player who has a more complete skillset, LAC might be getting the more talented player, but Griffin has the superior character and gives us that banger that we've lacked in a long time. Furthermore, he also seems to be a better fit with McGee.