Michael Beasley

[DowJones]

I don't like him. I didn't like him when he was coming out and I don't like him now. I think he can be a good player but I never thought he would even be a #2 on a title team. He is an undersized PF that struggles to give max effort on the floor. If he really worked hard I think he could be an Antawn Jamison type of PF. That is assuming he becomes more professional on the floor.

I always liked Brook Lopez over everyone in the draft other then Rose. Miami would be scary good with Lopez and whoever they sign in the summer.

[be reasonable]

Gallinari is the better player.

He can have a terrible shooting night like he did tonight and still help out in other areas of the game.

Can you say that about Micheal?

Seriously, this is coming from the biggest Beasley fan. I loved the kid in HS, College, and I wanted everything for the Knicks to draft him. But so far he has just disappointed. Sometimes I watch him play and just don't get what happened.

Anyone using one game to justify anything is either extremely naive or someone who is losing an argument and clinging to any shred of empirical evidence they can muster.

LOL at gallo bein a better player than beasley..srsly..

Gallo is a noticeably worse rebounder, Beasley is the better scorer, avgs equal ppg in less minutes , ON a playoff team. While Gallo is avg his ppg with no superstar or vet to tkae mins from him, and plays in an uptempo style of play, that doesn't focus on defense to take any engery away from him.

Gallo is a better Flopper than Beasley, I'll give him that.

beasley is not better than gallo. gallo is the better scorer, avg equal ppg despite despite taking over 100 less shots then him and gets to the free throw line more 288 to beasley's 224, if the knicks had wade they be a playoff team to. gallo had three players in front of him chandler, harrington and lee before these last few weeks.gallo is the knicks best defensive player leads them in block shots 57. and charges 30, with almost all his charges taken playing straight man to man defense. he also guards the other teams best player while the heat put beasley on the other teams worst player.

[microfib4thewin]

Let me ask you a question I Never Lied, is Marvin william a bust, dude was drafted number 2 for the Hawks 5 years ago.

As far as meeting expectation goes, yes. I don't see how this helps your argument when Beasley's upside is as questionable as Marvin was.

[I Never Lied]

Let me ask you a question I Never Lied, is Marvin william a bust, dude was drafted number 2 for the Hawks 5 years ago.

As far as meeting expectation goes, yes. I don't see how this helps your argument when Beasley's upside is as questionable as Marvin was.

Well not quite. Marvin Williams was non-factor at UNC. If he was as really good as people thought he was, he would of at least started. There are a lot of stupid people in NBA front offices. People who have never roamed the streets and blacktops of America enough to know real basketball talent.







Look at this buster.

Pee Wee Herman types like this picked Harden over Tyreke. Its soft wussies like these in pin stripe suits that picked Marvin Williams number 2 even though he couldn’t crack the starting line up at UNC. Guys like this who picked Hasheem Thabeet number 2 even though any run of the mill ball player at your local park could have told you thabeet was some garbage.

Now I thought Beasley was going to be good but still liked Rose Better. When Chicago got the first pick I knew they weren’t going to take Beasley. After I found out Beasley was 6' 7" at the draft camp I would have taken a looooooooooong hard look at the other draft picks, because any real baller knows that the undersized tweening B.S. doesn’t fly in the NBA.



*To be fair, that joker above did Draft Dwight, but then again any reatard would have*

[mopper8]

You know, here's another way to look at it:

Michael Beasley is a 2nd year, 21-year-old PF. His numbers are comparable to other players at the same position at similar ages/times in their career (e.g., Dirk earlier) who later turned out to be elite players.

What's more, he starts on, is #2 in minutes for, and the 2nd leading scorer for a team that:

a-Is going to win 45-47 games this year
b-Is top-5 defensively
c-Has a decent chance of going into the 2nd round of the playoffs

If I told you you could have a 21-year-old PF who was putting up #s comparable to Dirk at that age/stage of his career, who was ready to log long minutes and play a big role on a team that could win nearly 50 games and go to the playoffs and maybe even win a round in the playoffs, you would tell me no thanks, sounds like a bust in the making?

Has it ever occurred to anyone that he's not putting up huge scoring #s because the Heat aren't asking him to? The one area where I'd like to see him improve, personally, is the rebounding, but as I noted before, his rebounding isn't that different from other bigs at his age.

[I Never Lied]

You know, here's another way to look at it:

Michael Beasley is a 2nd year, 21-year-old PF. His numbers are comparable to other players at the same position at similar ages/times in their career (e.g., Dirk earlier) who later turned out to be elite players.

What's more, he starts on, is #2 in minutes for, and the 2nd leading scorer for a team that:

a-Is going to win 45-47 games this year
b-Is top-5 defensively
c-Has a decent chance of going into the 2nd round of the playoffs

If I told you you could have a 21-year-old PF who was putting up #s comparable to Dirk at that age/stage of his career, who was ready to log long minutes and play a big role on a team that could win nearly 50 games and go to the playoffs and maybe even win a round in the playoffs, you would tell me no thanks, sounds like a bust in the making?

Has it ever occurred to anyone that he's not putting up huge scoring #s because the Heat aren't asking him to? The one area where I'd like to see him improve, personally, is the rebounding, but as I noted before, his rebounding isn't that different from other bigs at his age.

This same team you describe is one D-Wade injury away from the lottery. Lets not get ahead of ourselves here. Has Beasley had a 10 rebound game since Febuary??? I dont think he has....but then what do you expect, He's only 6' 7"

[Ed_The_3rd]

Michael Beasley: 29.7 M/G, 13.3 FGA/G, 14.7 PPG, 50.2 TS % (ewww...)

Danilo Gallinari: 33.6 M/G, 11.2 FGA/G, 14.8 PPG, 57.9 TS % (ooh, shiny)

And though I don't really like +/- defensive stats: Miami is 4 points per 100 possessions worse with Beasley on the court. New York is 2.7 points per 100 possessions better with Gallinari on the court. Of course, there's no truly reliable way to statistically quantify individual defense, so make of these numbers what you will.

At the moment, the only statistical advantage Beasley has over Gallinari is on the glass (both raw numbers and rate) though Gallinari's rebounding numbers may be depressed by the fact that he's primarily a perimeter player on both offense and defense and is playing next to one of the league's elite rebounders.

With all this said...I don't know why some people are so insistent on calling Beasely a bust. He's 21, in his 2nd full season and (rightly) deferring to one of the best and most ball-dominant players in the NBA. He's taken a step back this season and he certainly didn't have a confidence-inspiring off-season, but I think it's a little silly to not wait until at least after his third season before people start making broad judgments.

[I Never Lied]

Michael Beasley: 29.7 M/G, 13.3 FGA/G, 14.7 PPG, 50.2 TS % (ewww...)

Danilo Gallinari: 33.6 M/G, 11.2 FGA/G, 14.8 PPG, 57.9 TS % (ooh, shiny)

And though I don't really like +/- defensive stats: Miami is 4 points per 100 possessions worse with Beasley on the court. New York is 2.7 points per 100 possessions better with Gallinari on the court. Of course, there's no truly reliable way to statistically quantify individual defense, so make of these numbers what you will.

At the moment, the only statistical advantage Beasley has over Gallinari is on the glass (both raw numbers and rate) though Gallinari's rebounding numbers may be depressed by the fact that he's primarily a perimeter player on both offense and defense and is playing next to one of the league's elite rebounders.

With all this said...I don't know why some people are so insistent on calling Beasely a bust. He's 21, in his 2nd full season and (rightly) deferring to one of the best and most ball-dominant players in the NBA. He's taken a step back this season and he certainly didn't have a confidence-inspiring off-season, but I think it's a little silly to not wait until at least after his third season before people start making broad judgments.

1. Wade is not ball dominant and averages 7 APG.

2. Beasley doesn’t defer to Wade. He's a frontcourt player, Wade’s a backcourt player. Common sense will tell you these two positions don’t clash. Shaq and Kobe both demanded the ball and got a lot of touches. Both averaged 25ppg in the same season because like I said before Backcourt players and Frontcourt players don’t clash.

3. The problem is that Beasley plays like a backcourt player and launches 19 footers at will. This is why Miami will be clamoring for real PF's like Amare and Bosh this summer. Beasley is not a bust because he will never be a productive player, he's a bust because he's not really a PF. And because of this Miami has to spend 120 million dollars to get one.

4. Just quit already with the "Ball-dominant" Wade angle. It’s the most ill informed and misguided angle you can possibly take in the discussion about this tweener bust.

[dookieguy]

Wade is ball-dominant. Just coz he averages 7 apg means he's not? wtf


And come on, do we really need another 20 pages of the same crap about Beasley?


Point is, he's a 6-8, 21yo PF in his 2nd year yet to break out. It's too early to call him a bust or a 25/10 guy. How bout we reopen this a year later or evaluate him after the playoffs or somethin?

[Ed_The_3rd]

Wade's also leading the NBA in usage rate (yes, it's inflated because the offense runs through him on most possessions, but it is what it is), taking almost 20 shots per game and tacking on another 9 FTA's per game. The fact that he's able to put up 6 to 7 assists per game is a testament to how great a player he is, but to say that a superstar guard who's taking 25% of his team's shots isn't dominating the ball is to ignore reality. And comparing the peak years of one of the league's great centers and all-time alpha dogs to a 21-year-old is stretching things even further.

I don't even like Beasley as much as some of the people here (predicting a 25-10 peak for him is just crazy) but you've got to have one hell of an agenda to immediately dismiss a player who is far from a finished product.

[I Never Lied]

Wade is ball-dominant. Just coz he averages 7 apg means he's not? wtf


And come on, do we really need another 20 pages of the same crap about Beasley?


Point is, he's a 6-8, 21yo PF in his 2nd year yet to break out. It's too early to call him a bust or a 25/10 guy. How bout we reopen this a year later or evaluate him after the playoffs or somethin?

How about we realize that he's 6-7 tweener who has yet to break out even though there's nothing holding him back except his own physical limitations and style of play. There is no bigger indictment of Beasley's shortcomings than that of the Heat willing to spend 120 million dollars on a player who plays the same position.

The writing is on the wall.

[I Never Lied]

Wade's also leading the NBA in usage rate (yes, it's inflated because the offense runs through him on most possessions, but it is what it is), taking almost 20 shots per game and tacking on another 9 FTA's per game. The fact that he's able to put up 6 to 7 assists per game is a testament to how great a player he is, but to say that a superstar guard who's taking 25% of his team's shots isn't dominating the ball is to ignore reality. And comparing the peak years of one of the league's great centers and all-time alpha dogs to a 21-year-old is stretching things even further.

I don't even like Beasley as much as some of the people here (predicting a 25-10 peak for him is just crazy) but you've got to have one hell of an agenda to immediately dismiss a player who is far from a finished product.

Wade's high usage rate is a direct result of the rest of the team being some trash. This includes Beasley. Wade takes shots and handles the ball out of necessity and not because it's his prerogative. Which is why he's been threatening management all season that he's gone if they don’t get him real frontcourt players.

Please stop with the nonsense.

[dookieguy]

The FA target was always a PF, Bosh/Amare/Boozer. I don't see what Miami was intending with a PF prospect in Beasley, maybe tried to groom him to be the 3rd SF type of guy (ultimately failed).

Thing is, Miami has its eyes set on 2010-2011 and onwards and always has been. The past 2 playoff appearances don't mean much. They've been grooming him to be a 3rd option from the start, which he obviously cannot do.

[I Never Lied]

The FA target was always a PF, Bosh/Amare/Boozer. I don't see what Miami was intending with a PF prospect in Beasley, maybe tried to groom him to be the 3rd SF type of guy (ultimately failed).

Thing is, Miami has its eyes set on 2010-2011 and onwards and always has been. The past 2 playoff appearances don't mean much. They've been grooming him to be a 3rd option from the start, which he obviously cannot do.

Man, do you even read the stuff that you type? How the heck can you groom somebody to be the 3rd option on a team that hadn’t even established a 2nd option?

Beasley wasn’t drafted by the Celtics, Spurs, Lakers or anyone of the teams which had a roster that had already been built. When Beasley got to Miami there was Wade, trash and acquired trade pieces that were actively being shopped.

It’s a good thing the Heat have 120 million dollars ready to get someone to do what Beasley was drafted for two years ago.

[abark]

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[microfib4thewin]

The FA target was always a PF, Bosh/Amare/Boozer. I don't see what Miami was intending with a PF prospect in Beasley, maybe tried to groom him to be the 3rd SF type of guy (ultimately failed).

Thing is, Miami has its eyes set on 2010-2011 and onwards and always has been. The past 2 playoff appearances don't mean much. They've been grooming him to be a 3rd option from the start, which he obviously cannot do.

Except Beasley was never projected to be a 3rd option according to Riley or Heat fans. Even now you still see Heat fans saying how he's going to be their future PF who would average 22/8. Does that sound like a '3rd option SF' for you?

Had Beasley turn out better than expected Riley could have used a portion of the capspace to find a serviceable center as opposed to giving up a max deal on whatever FA decide to come here.

[B-easy]

What are the chances he gets traded in the off season?