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Instead of boozer or Stoudemire, what about Beasley for Harris. Heat need a PG and New jersey need a scoring threat. Beasley in Miami isn't getting the minutes and he isn't a good fit. In New jersey he would thrive being the main option, and he's young. Potential 25/8 player, Imagine a Wall/Beasley/Lopez plus another free agent. In a couple of years this team would challenge for the championship.
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I wouldn't rule it out although I think it's a little unlikely. Beasley has the ability to play the 3 as well which comes in handy. I think in order for this to happy is: 1) We get John Wall making Harris expendable and more importantly 2) Miami is possitive they will land either Bosh or Amare early in free agency to allow them to resign Wade. If they can't get those guys, yes they can still trade Beasley for Harris (I'm not sure who gets the fair deal there and I'm too lazy to research right now...all star level PG when healthy for a knuckle-head with potential through the roof). The problem is that would create a glaring whole in Miami's already thin as hell front court. If it happened, it'd be a late offseason deal. Too many factors have to fall into place before I begin to consider this. I'd rather trade some of our assets to move up and nab Patrick Patterson in the late lotto and cost a few mill less.

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B-easy wrote:Instead of boozer or Stoudemire, what about Beasley for Harris. Heat need a PG and New jersey need a scoring threat. Beasley in Miami isn't getting the minutes and he isn't a good fit. In New jersey he would thrive being the main option, and he's young. Potential 25/8 player, Imagine a Wall/Beasley/Lopez plus another free agent. In a couple of years this team would challenge for the championship.
I have some serious questions about Beasley's head. It's not my first choice, (if I can get expirings and a top 7-8 pick I think I'd take that over Beasley).
But if the Nets get Wall, Beasley plus $3 million in pure cap space is a deal I'd do.
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deviljets7 wrote:B-easy wrote:Instead of boozer or Stoudemire, what about Beasley for Harris. Heat need a PG and New jersey need a scoring threat. Beasley in Miami isn't getting the minutes and he isn't a good fit. In New jersey he would thrive being the main option, and he's young. Potential 25/8 player, Imagine a Wall/Beasley/Lopez plus another free agent. In a couple of years this team would challenge for the championship.
I have some serious questions about Beasley's head. It's not my first choice, (if I can get expirings and a top 7-8 pick I think I'd take that over Beasley).
But if the Nets get Wall, Beasley plus $3 million in pure cap space is a deal I'd do.
I'm also not in love with Beasley's overall game on top of his severe character issues.
I agree, would much rather have the pick and a useful expiring, then take Patterson or Monroe with the pick if we don't think we'll fill the 4 hole through FA.

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Beasley is a 6´8 tweener, with average athleticism, horrible rebounding skills, and low drive. He can´t play SF and is undersized at PF. He gets most of his points off of jumpshots or easy feeds by Wade. He´s a bad fit in Miami and he´s an even worse fit here.
HELL NO, let Miami keep him, I rather have Harris be our 6th man.
HELL NO, let Miami keep him, I rather have Harris be our 6th man.
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The funny thing is, at least in theory, the very best fit at PF next to a still-developing Brook Lopez is already on our roster (and no, I'm not talking about Humphries): a young mismatch-sized (7') hybrid forward with serious 3-point accuracy (39% this year!), offensive rebounding ability and decent D who doesn't demand the ball. The problem is, 4 times out of 5 he's too busy brushing the sand out of his vagina to be a difference-maker for our team.
I'll admit, Yi has at least met expectations this season, which were to play more, and more efficiently. Most of us knew he wasn't going to be a star, but 12/7/1/1/1 ain't half bad. 40% from the field is simply inexcusable for a 7-footer, ESPECIALLY a PF. Also, for a player with such suspect D, he fouls at an alarming rate. I mean, if you can't hold your guy, at least get out of the way!
But still, when he's on his game, he brings A TON of positives and makes us a much tougher team to beat. He really just needs to learn how to stay involved and motivated when Kiki isn't running 15 plays per game for him. That isn't good for Brook, Devin, the team or really anyone else but Yi's fragile ego; and with a better coach and a bona-fide max-contract star on the team soon, thank God, those days are over.
I'll admit, Yi has at least met expectations this season, which were to play more, and more efficiently. Most of us knew he wasn't going to be a star, but 12/7/1/1/1 ain't half bad. 40% from the field is simply inexcusable for a 7-footer, ESPECIALLY a PF. Also, for a player with such suspect D, he fouls at an alarming rate. I mean, if you can't hold your guy, at least get out of the way!
But still, when he's on his game, he brings A TON of positives and makes us a much tougher team to beat. He really just needs to learn how to stay involved and motivated when Kiki isn't running 15 plays per game for him. That isn't good for Brook, Devin, the team or really anyone else but Yi's fragile ego; and with a better coach and a bona-fide max-contract star on the team soon, thank God, those days are over.
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But back to the subject....
If I had to choose between:
-- giving Amare max (5 years, about $110mil),
-- giving Boozer near-max (5 years, about $92mil), or
-- giving Lee 5 years, about $55mil
I'd take David. None of these guys play "good" defense, and each of them have bloated stats from their system, IMO. If someone isn't ready to play Nash and keep STAT fed, he'll be an awfully expensive and under-motivated 17/7 guy. Boozer is always going to "get his", but among these three, he's most likely to seriously eat into Brook's production, which I don't like. Lee is a 15/9 guy in almost any other system than D'Antoni's, and I'm still not sold that he can man the PF position full-time. None of these three are an awesome choice, but they can add to our team. Lee has the least injury and mileage concerns, is slightly younger, and at roughly half the price, seems the best of the bunch.
If I had to choose between:
-- giving Amare max (5 years, about $110mil),
-- giving Boozer near-max (5 years, about $92mil), or
-- giving Lee 5 years, about $55mil
I'd take David. None of these guys play "good" defense, and each of them have bloated stats from their system, IMO. If someone isn't ready to play Nash and keep STAT fed, he'll be an awfully expensive and under-motivated 17/7 guy. Boozer is always going to "get his", but among these three, he's most likely to seriously eat into Brook's production, which I don't like. Lee is a 15/9 guy in almost any other system than D'Antoni's, and I'm still not sold that he can man the PF position full-time. None of these three are an awesome choice, but they can add to our team. Lee has the least injury and mileage concerns, is slightly younger, and at roughly half the price, seems the best of the bunch.
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I say we go after Milsap if the Jazz are serious about savings some $ and not getting hit with lux tax. We can use our cap sapce to absorb his contract similarto how Denver moved Camby to LA 2 years ago. Depending on where the cap comes out we would have close to enough (if not enough) money for a max contract. Milsap is younger than Amare, Lee and Boozer and makes considerably less $ than each of those three guys will receive this summer. I thnk he is an 18/10 guy if giving consistent starter minutes. Does having Amaer, Lee or Boozer rather than Milsap translate to any more wins? He is the anti-YI, the perfect type of 4 to put next to Brook.
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With Amare rumored to be resigning with Phoenix, Boozer is probably the way to go. Question is, will Prokorov and Thorn believe he is worthy of a max contract...I don't know if Boozer is worthy of a max contract, but I would give it to him if we were able to also sign a Joe Johnson along with him.
John Wall(or Devin Harris)
Joe johnson(or Evan Turner)
Terrence Williams
Boozer
Brook Lopez
That starting five is kinda scary looking...
John Wall(or Devin Harris)
Joe johnson(or Evan Turner)
Terrence Williams
Boozer
Brook Lopez
That starting five is kinda scary looking...

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Boozer is not worth a max deal in any capacity, but I'd love him. I always sound down on him because I know he wants a 5 year, 65-70 million dollar deal. He's worth 5 years, 50-55 million. If he came to his senses and signed for that, I'd welcome him with open arms. Then offer a similar deal to Rudy Gay, hope Memphis doesn't match, and go from there.
Wall/Harris
Lee/Twill
Gay/CDR
Boozer/Yi
Lopez/Boone
I'm down with that.
Wall/Harris
Lee/Twill
Gay/CDR
Boozer/Yi
Lopez/Boone
I'm down with that.

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Preludepunk27 wrote:Boozer is not worth a max deal in any capacity, but I'd love him. I always sound down on him because I know he wants a 5 year, 65-70 million dollar deal. He's worth 5 years, 50-55 million. If he came to his senses and signed for that, I'd welcome him with open arms. Then offer a similar deal to Rudy Gay, hope Memphis doesn't match, and go from there.
Wall/Harris
Lee/Twill
Gay/CDR
Boozer/Yi
Lopez/Boone
I'm down with that.
I completely agree 100 percent, although I probably prefer Joe Johnson over Rudy Gay and i would trade Devin if we get John Wall. The "two point guards at the same time experiment" fails mostly all the time...

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Boozer, Stoudamire, Lee...
We keep hearing those same three being mentioned over and over, which is understandable because they are all unrestricted free agents, but what if Dirk Nowitzki and/or Yao ming decide to take up on their option of opting out of their respective contracts? Would, or rather should, the Nets go after one of these guys?
We keep hearing those same three being mentioned over and over, which is understandable because they are all unrestricted free agents, but what if Dirk Nowitzki and/or Yao ming decide to take up on their option of opting out of their respective contracts? Would, or rather should, the Nets go after one of these guys?

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Dirk ain't leavin' Dallas. And I doubt Yao opts out and if he does Houston isn't gonna let him leave. I think the 3 guys frequently mentioned in this thread are the most likely to bolt from their respective teams. We
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I think we have a fairly good shot at David West this offseason to tell you the truth. The thing is, I'd rather keep the roster we have, adding free agents than give up assets for some guys through a trade. I think that's why the UFA players names keep popping up. You know Minny will likely quietly shop Kevin Love this summer too and I would be down with that possibility too.
Either way, Dirk ain't leaving Dallas. Yao apparently isn't gonna be ready until late next season. He can't go a season without breaking something. As talented as he is, I can't touch him with a 50' pole.
Either way, Dirk ain't leaving Dallas. Yao apparently isn't gonna be ready until late next season. He can't go a season without breaking something. As talented as he is, I can't touch him with a 50' pole.

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I would be down with Kevin Love as well. He seems he would be a very complimentary player to put along side Brook.

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I think you'd have a hard time convincing Boozer that he wasn't worth 5 years and $80 million ... but I do think he will be signed for about that amount. Hard to tell a guy that's fifth in the NBA in efficiency per 48 that he's worth a whole let less than Richard Jefferson or Kenyon Martin. Don't know why he wouldn't be ideal for New Jersey ... he's used to playing with a center that shoots the ball all the time in Okur.
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Boozer:
1. I want the Suns to keep Amar'e. XD
2. Boozer's a better rebounder and has higher chances of actually going to the Nets, since the Jazz isn't interested in keeping him.
1. I want the Suns to keep Amar'e. XD
2. Boozer's a better rebounder and has higher chances of actually going to the Nets, since the Jazz isn't interested in keeping him.
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