Harris question

kasino · Post #1 » by **kasino** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:12 pm

If Wall was to become a Net(God please) who would you want Devin Harris to be traded for?
a pf to play with Lopez?
or try to get a draft pick then who?
or try to feel out the bench?

DWadeno3 · Post #2 » by **DWadeno3** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:29 pm

I'd like to ask a question as a Heat fan as well: Would you consider a Beasley plus pick trade for Harris if you got Wall? I know Beasley hasn't really lived up to the expectations and had his offcourt issues but he's been nothing but a professional since and his numbers and play are hampered by his playing time and the fact that we already have a superstar and wanna win. So that means we can't afford to have him out there making mistakes a young player makes and thus he gets benched a lot, which in my opinion is the right thing to do in our opinion. But it definitely doesn't help his numbers which is why a lot of people underestimate the potential he is. Personally I'm not a big Beasley fan myself but I think he could thrive on a young team like yours and could be a nice player alongisde Lopez. Plus he's still on his rookie contract so it's not like he'd cost you guys a lot of money.
It's just a question though. If I was you I wouldn't do it but that's just because I'm not a Beasley fan and I'm very high on Harris.

kasino · Post #3 » by **kasino** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:41 pm

I like the line up
Wall
Williams
FA
Beasley
Lopez
With a good sf it could be the East version of OKC

vincecarter4pres · Post #4 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:25 pm

I am not a Beasley fan either...

SOUP · Post #5 » by **SOUP** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:29 am

I'd like to keep Harris, we would be left with little depth at the 1 if we trade him away; and he is on a stellar contract. John Wall won't own the NBA right away, so it'll be good if he doesn't have all that pressure on his shoulders right out the gate.

DWadeno3 wrote:I'd like to ask a question as a Heat fan as well: Would you consider a Beasley plus pick trade for Harris if you got Wall?

*breaths*

Michael Beasley: 6'8 (maybe 6'7), can't play the 3, is undersized for the 4, most of his points come off jumpshots, nut case, and a below average to average rebounder.

I feel for Heat fans trying to get something serviceable for Beasley, but not here, sorry.

deviljets7 · Post #6 » by **deviljets7** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:40 am

DWadeno3 wrote:I'd like to ask a question as a Heat fan as well: Would you consider a Beasley plus pick trade for Harris if you got Wall? I know Beasley hasn't really lived up to the expectations and had his offcourt issues but he's been nothing but a professional since and his numbers and play are hampered by his playing time and the fact that we already have a superstar and wanna win. So that means we can't afford to have him out there making mistakes a young player makes and thus he gets benched a lot, which in my opinion is the right thing to do in our opinion. But it definitely doesn't help his numbers which is why a lot of people underestimate the potential he is. Personally I'm not a big Beasley fan myself but I think he could thrive on a young team like yours and could be a nice player alongisde Lopez. Plus he's still on his rookie contract so it's not like he'd cost you guys a lot of money.
It's just a question though. If I was you I wouldn't do it but that's just because I'm not a Beasley fan and I'm very high on Harris.

Not a Beasley fan (would prefer to flip him to a third team), but from a pure value standpoint, Harris for Beasley and one of your #1s is likely too good of value to pass on IMO.

SOUP · Post #7 » by **SOUP** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:45 am

deviljets7 wrote:Harris for Beasley and one of your #1s is likely too good of value to pass on IMO.

SOUP · Post #8 » by **SOUP** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:03 am

Now if it was in a three team trade where we could ship Beasley to SA for Blair, Hill and their first rounder, then maybe we're on to something.

George Hill
Dejuan Blair
Miami's 1st
San Antonio's 1st

This I would look over.

Aussie 2point0 · Post #9 » by **Aussie 2point0** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:29 am

If we land Wall. Teams are gonna Low ball the hell out of us! They will assume we need to get rid of Harris and offer us garbage. They will be hoping that Karma comes back and bites Thorn on the bum.

That said I think thorn is too smart. My prediction is to keep Harris. When he is fit and healthy let him loose. All the while keeping Wall under wraps. Then when Harris' trade stock has risen then he will strike with a trade. But he will sit back and watch how the draft and FA's unravels first

VCRJKidd15 · Post #10 » by **VCRJKidd15** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:29 am

im on the keep harris draft turner bandwagon but if we do draft wall id make wall come off as the 6th man.

Aussie 2point0 · Post #11 » by **Aussie 2point0** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:13 pm

^^^^^^^^It makes me squirm ....... but i have to agree

B-easy · Post #12 » by **B-easy** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:35 pm

Wall shouldn't be coming off the bench. I like the idea of the Beasley/Harris trade good for both Miami and the nets

SteveNets15 · Post #13 » by **SteveNets15** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:03 pm

I'll take Beasley for Harris if we get Wall.Play him @ the 3 and 4.Still have our capspace to sign a pf.

deviljets7 · Post #14 » by **deviljets7** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:29 pm

Keep Harris? Have we learned anything from the Derrick Rose/Kirk Hinrich situation?

SOUP · Post #15 » by **SOUP** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:32 pm

deviljets7 wrote:Keep Harris? Have we learned anything from the Derrick Rose/Kirk Hinrich situation?

Devin Harris and Kirk Hinrich are completely different players, you're way off base here. Kirk's offensive tools rely on his 3 pt shooting, and it pretty much ends there, he is also an average to below average defender. He doesn't have the great speed, or athleticism that Harris has. Harris is an all-star, despite his slump this season, is a much better player than Kirk, and his contract is cheaper. When Harris is on point he is a top 5 PG in the league.

The Bulls also have no quality wings because they were forced to give them away for capspace, they didn't keep that Rose-Kirk backcourt because they thought it would work.

Besides we wouldn't start Harris next to Wall, we may do it for short periods of time for the sake of experimentation, but it'll most likely be Wall coming off the bench during the first half of the season while he gets used to the NBA.

SOUP · Post #16 » by **SOUP** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:39 pm

stevieboy wrote:I'll take Beasley for Harris if we get Wall.Play him @ the 3 and 4.Still have our capspace to sign a pf.

Beasley can't play the 3, and is 6'7-6'8 severely undersized for the 4. If you think Yi is soft for the PF spot you seriously want someone like Beasley? Oh and by the way, Yi rebounds better than him on most nights.

ecuhus1981 · Post #17 » by **ecuhus1981** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:22 pm

John Wall is more NBA-ready than either Derrick Rose or Tyreke Evans, according to the man that coached them all, Calipari. He's going to be a BIG-TIME difference-maker from day one in the NBA. Think about it: a slightly taller, longer, stronger version of Derrick Rose, who is just as fast with the basketball, more adept and willing as a passer and plays better defense. John amassed better stats in a tougher conference, and on an even more talent-laden college team than Derrick's. How else can I put this? Wall > Rose. Barring injury, a conservative projection for Wall is Gary Payton, minus 10% of the defense and 90% of the crazy. His ceiling is literally off the charts.

I predict John will put up 21/4/7/2/1 in his rookie season, and team / personnel issues really don't matter. Great players will produce at a high level, no matter who starts alongside them or what system they run. And John Wall is a great player.

As for what to do with Devin in the event that we nab Wall, my thought has always been that if we don't receive a knockout offer for him (TPE or immediate capspace + lotto prospect), we're better off keeping him. His trade value will increase in a winning environment, and in the meanwhile, Harris and Wall CAN coexist. Neither is as ball-dominant as some people make them out to be, and both have excelled when asked to play alongside another PG. For Wall, it's Bledsoe. For Harris, Terry.

Also, LeTravalier is good friends with both of these guys, and he's also excelled when running with two PGs on the floor (Williams and West). They can only help to lure him to NJ (YES, I still believe).

SOUP · Post #18 » by **SOUP** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:34 pm

ecuhus1981 wrote:John Wall is more NBA-ready than either Derrick Rose or Tyreke Evans, according to the man that coached them all, Calipari. He's going to be a BIG-TIME difference-maker from day one in the NBA. Think about it: a slightly taller, longer, stronger version of Derrick Rose, who is just as fast with the basketball, more adept and willing as a passer and plays better defense. John amassed better stats in a tougher conference, and on an even more talent-laden college team than Derrick's. How else can I put this? Wall > Rose. Barring injury, a conservative projection for Wall is Gary Payton, minus 10% of the defense and 90% of the crazy. His ceiling is literally off the charts.

I predict John will put up 21/4/7/2/1 in his rookie season, and team / personnel issues really don't matter. Great players will produce at a high level, no matter who starts alongside them or what system they run. And John Wall is a great player.

As for what to do with Devin in the event that we nab Wall, my thought has always been that if we don't receive a knockout offer for him (TPE or immediate capspace + lotto prospect), we're better off keeping him. His trade value will increase in a winning environment, and in the meanwhile, Harris and Wall CAN coexist. Neither is as ball-dominant as some people make them out to be, and both have excelled when asked to play alongside another PG. For Wall, it's Bledsoe. For Harris, Terry.

ecuhus1981 wrote:Also, LeTravalier is good friends with both of these guys, and he's also excelled when running with two PGs on the floor (Williams and West). They can only help to lure him to NJ (YES, I still believe).

kasino · Post #19 » by **kasino** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:42 pm

Harris/Wall backcourt isn't going to work. Both are not able to maximize the sg position and aren't defenders like Kirk Hinrich. Wall/Harris both are athletic but neither are 3pt shooters like Williams/West. They are both pretty much the same player, Wall having more star potiental than Harris. I think getting a trade for Harris would be a great idea

SOUP · Post #20 » by **SOUP** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:49 pm

kasino wrote:Harris/Wall backcourt isn't going to work. Both are not able to maximize the sg position and aren't defenders like Kirk Hinrich. Wall/Harris both are athletic but neither are 3pt shooters like Williams/West. They are both pretty much the same player, Wall having more star potiental than Harris. I think getting a trade for Harris would be a great idea

We don't need to play Harris and Wall together! This isn't the Bulls we didn't give away all our wings for capspace (well one we did :lol:

). Harris will start while Wall can be our 6th man through the first half of the season. Once our new coach sees what he can do he will start him and have Harris be our 6th man.