Rubio/Wall and Rambi's Offense

[slinky]

Can someone who has seen Rubio and Wall play more than I have explain to me how Wall or Rubio would look in Rambis's offense?

Based on what I have seen, both Wall and Rubio love the ball in their hand(like Flynn). And Rambis has said that the goal of the PG, is to move the basketball not to hold onto it. It seems to me the two best PG prospects the wolves have a chance at, do not fit what Rambis wants out of a PG.

I am curious to know how you guys see it working out? How/would Rambis change the offense to accomodate either of them?

[Devilzsidewalk]

judging by what I see on the TV w/ my amateur eyes of the Wolves' offensive system, the best addition would be an impact SG/SF by far. I'd imagine Wall and Rubio's skills would look watered down a bit on this team. They aren't catch and shoot threats, and the offense doesn't seem to cater to PGs getting good looks at breaking down their men like the SGs and SFs do. Just we don't have any SG/SF that can consistently do it.

I think a Rambis PG would be a guy like Billups.

[john2jer]

Much easier to teach a player that's used to the ball in his hands to play without it than it is to teach a player who's used to being without it to suddenly have it.

And the way it works is backdoor lobs from Rubio to Wall, EVERY PLAY DOWN THE FLOOR.

{Insert SportsCenter theme.}

[revprodeji]

Rubio is not a ball dominate pg. In many Euro motion systems the pg moves without the ball a bit. Not a problem with him.


Wall? Maybe MnWi could answer this better than I can, but I think working off the ball is about mentality. You can learn to do it if you are willing to. Smallar guards (paul/flynn/brooks, etc) struggle to do this because moving off the ball requires physical ability and size helps to come off screens. But Wall is bigger.

[TrentTuckerForever]

^Rev, not that I'm trying to get rid of you or anything, but... weren't you retiring as Mod?

I hope Rev is right about Rubio naturally playing off the ball since it is emphasized in Europe. Jason Kidd (a frequent comparison to Rubio) played in the triangle in Dallas with a pair of dominant wings in Jamal Mashburn and Jimmy Jackson. That was an unmitigated disaster as I recall. Kidd's a coach-killer (or at least was when he was younger) so it's possible he never truly bought into the system. But there was no denying that Kidd's unique skills were not emphasized in the triangle.

[revprodeji]

The problem with the dallas trick is that early in his career Kidd was ball dominate. Now Kidd is not. The dallas system has him working off the ball. JJ was also cocky and ball dominate and so was mashburn. Not to mention Toni Braxton.

[john2jer]

TONI BRAXTON! Oh memories.

Kidd can actually hit an outside shot now, too.

[revprodeji]

Alot of it is mentality. Kidd was "the man", JJ was "the man", mash was "the man" and when your offense is based on passing and movement that does not work well.

Rubio has been playing with better players for a long time and has no problem giving up the ball for teammates.

[LOBO 7]

Alot of it is mentality. Kidd was "the man", JJ was "the man", mash was "the man" and when your offense is based on passing and movement that does not work well.

Rubio has been playing with better players for a long time and has no problem giving up the ball for teammates.

Yeah, granted I know very little about the offensive schemes and philosophies of Ricky's current coach, but when I have watched game footage, rather that just highlight clips, they seem to run a very motin-based offense in which Ricky does play off the ball quite a bit, positioning himself on the perimeter for an open 3 or even coming off screens.

Furthermore, Kahn and Rambis keep saying that the triangle has been over-emphasized and
exaggerated a bit in terms of how much it defines our offensive identity. We are first and foremost an up-tempo, running team, with the intention of "flowing" into various triangle-based sets in the half-court. We all know Rubio's strength is in the open-court, and the up-tempo nature of our offense is our primary philosophy, the triangle is secondary. Also, Rambis wants to instill basketball IQ through the use of the offense, so that all players can make instictual decisions, and Ricky's instincts are also one of his biggest strengths.

[Devilzsidewalk]

^Rev, not that I'm trying to get rid of you or anything, but... weren't you retiring as Mod?

Rev = Bret Favre

[horaceworthy]

TONI BRAXTON! Oh memories.

Kidd can actually hit an outside shot now, too.

It's weird to think that Kidd's #5 all time in terms of threes made (has a chance to move up to #3 all time if he passes Peja and Dale Ellis), and Larry friggin' Bird's 128th all time (behind our very own JR Rider). Makes you realize just how new the three point shot is, and how much teams have adapted their styles of play to it in recent years.

[revprodeji]

Yea.

I am retired, but I can still post. I just did not want to commit to being here, keeping options open.