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Who do we pick if we get #3 pick

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Who do you take with the #3 pick?

Derrick Favors
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DeMarcus Cousins
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other
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Who do we pick if we get #3 pick 

Post#1 » by UKF » Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:20 am

If we were to get the number three pick or was able to decide between Cousins or Favors who do you like? Turner and Wall are the obvious one two. Who would you rather have if it came down to Cousins or Favor? Would you rather have a guy like Wesley Johnson? I'll tell you who I would like to win after a few minutes.

The Warriors are playing a Portland team that doesn't have it's best player and the Wizards are playing Indiana who they could definitely beat tonight. Both these games decide whether we get the 3rd or 5th pick. Should be interesting..

Favors or Cousins? What say you?
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Post#2 » by RoyalCourtJestr » Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:44 am

Favors is really to small IMO to be a C. Cousins has character issues but I think he's slightly underrated defender as well. I'd take Cousins.
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Re: Who do we pick if we get #3 pick 

Post#3 » by pillwenney » Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:52 am

Washington is down 11 with 3 minutes to go in the 3rd. :-?

I think, basically, it's hard for us to say because I think it comes down entirely to Cousins' character, and we can only know so much on that subject. So I think it's going to come down to those individual conversations our FO has with Cousins to see if his character issues are overblown, or if they will be an issue.

As I see it there are three basic outcomes:
1) Cousins character issues don't appear as though they'll be a problem at all - in which case, I think he's the relatively easy pick. Just seems to be a surer thing as an anchor on both ends in terms of the ability he already has. Certainly won't be the perimeter defender Favors will be, but at the center spot, and with the other guys we have, that's not too big of a deal.

2) Cousins character issues will prevent him from reaching his potential, but won't otherwise be particularly harmful. This would kind of be like Derrick Coleman. At this point, I think it's very debatable. It's all a matter of the degree of the problems.

3) Cousins looks like he is going to have big time character issues that hurt his development and could consistently cause distractions with the team. In this case, I think you go with Favors.
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Post#4 » by UKF » Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:33 am

As much as I would like to have a player like Cousin's I don't think Petrie would go near a team that would have any sense of character issues. Cousins is a player that the Kings need and if he doesn't have any character problems then I would be happy to take him but I don't think that will happen. If he does have character issues I would rather take Wesley Johnson. Cousins is one of the strongest and most dominant big men in the draft. His presence down low is one that I believe could transfer into the NBA. He is capable of scoring down low low as well as scoring from mid-range. His potential is high but so is Favors and Johnson. I would love to see Cousins and Tyreke play together but I don't think we'll even have the chance to see that. The numerous times that I watched him it looked like it was more of a lackadaisical attitude and it didn't seem like he gave a **** all the time and I know Petrie won't go near a player like that. Favors is a quicker but smaller big man that has the same level of potential, if not greater. Favors may not have the post skills or presence that Cousins has but I think Favors is one of those players that is a rare player. He has speed as well as size. His shot may be suspect but like Tyreke, if he can get to the rim, the points are all in the same. You cant teach speed but you can teach a jumper. Favors took MVP honors in both the Jordan Classic and McDonald's All-American game. I believe Tyreke did the same thing..
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Post#5 » by UKF » Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:39 am

Wizards made the comeback and ended up winning by one. I hope the Warriors will find a way to beat the the Blazers..
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Post#6 » by perezident » Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:30 am

I don't know man, neither intrigues me one bit to tell you the truth. I much rather trade the pick to be honest. Hmm I may just be to much of a Turner/Wall fan to even choose between Favors and Cousins.
I maybe have to watch film of those guys (as I've never seen their games extensively like others). But as it stands right now, trade the pick to couple spots down and draft Aldrich imo.
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Post#7 » by SacKingZZZ » Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:38 am

Kind of a toss up between Cousins and Johnson. I really like Johnson though. I just have a feeling he could be the "Pippen" to Tyreke's "Jordan".
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Post#8 » by longfellow44 » Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:07 am

I'd take cousins but I could easily see any argument to take Favors as well. As to Johnson I'm not sold on him at that draft spot. If were picking 5th then he is our guy but I'm not sure I'd want him I would potentially want to trade down to get a shot at Udoh and get a little something extra. If we fall to 6th you've got to take Aldrich he could anchor the D. He should average 2blk's a game and from what I've seen of him I think he has more potentially than a lot of other people do. I think he's similar to Brook Lopez in a lot of ways and would feel confident spending the 6th pick on him.
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Re: Who do we pick if we get #3 pick 

Post#9 » by Krimzen » Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:09 am

Cousins, and it isn't really that close to me. He is a mobile full-sized center who already has a pretty solid game in the paint on both sides of the court. He is not a top shotblocker, but he has the size and strong base to anchor himself in the paint and play solid man defense on some of the PF/C that have been killing us there. He can also rebound the ball extremely well. Besides being strong in the paint on offense, he also displayed a serviceable jumper going back to HS that he can continue to develop. He is extremely young with a ton of upside/potential to continue to get better.

I do like some of the upside with the super-athletic Favors. Everyone knows he didn't show anywhere near what he is capable of because of the guards he had at GT. However, when you see a couple of prospects rated relatively closely, I would take the bigger guy. It is generally much harder to find mobile full-sized centers with tons of potential on both sides of the ball.

I know people are going to continue to bring up the character questions and temper issue with Cousins. I think the issue has been massively overblown. He displayed a growing maturity throughout the season with Kentucky. Late in the season and into the tournament, he kept his cool in some big situations. There were a couple of occasions when players intentionally tried to provoke him into losing his temper, but he resisted. Anyone who tries to to paint him as a lackadaisical player are also wrong. I have seen him cruise a bit at times and defer to other players, but that has been said about a lot of younger players in college, especially those surrounded with a lot of talent. He is no KG, but most of the time I saw him play with a lot of passion and heart. He did get in a few shouting matches with Calipari, but then people brush over the possible reasons why. They also always seem to assume this is a negative. During their loss to West Virginia in the Final 4, he got incredibly frustrated watching all his guards jack up shots and miss them horribly while he was ignored in the paint. He had some words with Calipari about this, and I can't say I blame him. Sometimes a player needs to make themselves heard, right or wrong. We don't need a team loaded with polite guys that you would like to see your daughter bring home to meet you. Sometimes you need some guys with attitude as long as they don't take it too far and have the talent to back it up.
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Post#10 » by KM44 » Fri Apr 16, 2010 5:44 am

Cousins. He could be a fantastic center in this league, and I would love to see what he could do next to Evans. IF we could try and pull a S&T with Amare or Bosh where we send Landry, Hawes and Garcia (maybe a pick to) then we would have a legit contender in a year or two.

Beno(for now)/2nd rounder
Tyreke/Casspi
Greene/Casspi
Bosh/Thompson
Cousins/Thompson

That would be a beautiful lineup especially if Greene continues his development on defense and becomes the potential stopper he can be.
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Post#11 » by KF10 » Fri Apr 16, 2010 5:50 am

I choose Cousins.

I like Favors but I don't think we are in the situation to wait for Favor's full potential. I would like to think the Kings' plan is to get into the playoffs in the near future. (As early as 1-2 seasons from now).
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Post#12 » by cuad » Fri Apr 16, 2010 5:14 pm

DeMarcus Cousins, and it's not even close. He's like like 280lbs, with someone that big the guys won't be bullied in the paint by guys like Gasol and Dwight. All of a sudden our defense and rebounding becomes much better, because we'll have someone who takes up space and can't be moved.
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Post#13 » by deNIEd » Fri Apr 16, 2010 5:28 pm

cuad wrote:DeMarcus Cousins, and it's not even close. He's like like 280lbs, with someone that big the guys won't be bullied in the paint by guys like Gasol and Dwight. All of a sudden our defense and rebounding becomes much better, because we'll have someone who takes up space and can't be moved.


Kyrylo Fesenko - 300 lbs
Eddy Curry - 295 lbs
Glen Davis - 289 lbs
Jerome James - 285 lbs
DeSagana Diop - 280 lbs
Darko Milicic - 275 lbs

All say :wassup:
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Post#14 » by 510TWSS » Fri Apr 16, 2010 5:51 pm

Why didn't you put Shaq on your list as you are clearly just going by "biggest Mofo's on the court".
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Post#15 » by deNIEd » Fri Apr 16, 2010 6:09 pm

Because Shaq and Yao are actually good.

I'm just saying, that you should never draft solely because of size either for or against. There is a lot more to being a good basketball player than simply having the body.

Dwight Howard entered the league in at 240 and 6'10.25" (With shoes, 6'9" without) and only able to bench 185lb 7 times. Look at how much he was able to improve.

For Favors vs Cousins, I don't know enough about either to make an educated decision over which I would rather have, but I just don't feel it's fair to say Favors won't be anything because he's too small/skinny (he has very similar stats to Dwight) or say Cousins will be a force simply because of his size.
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Post#16 » by ICMTM » Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:13 pm

If Evan Turner is around at three I'd take him :) Seriously if we don't get Evan Turner I think trading the pick sounds like a good option. I don't feel that either option is going to be a franchise guy. I think we are in the position to need another franchise player.
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Post#17 » by RekeROY » Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:33 pm

Hey First time poster here. Let me start out saying great season. Young guns grew up before our eyes, solid coaching, and reason for hope (especially Tyreke). But when all was said and done, I was glad to have that little "losing" skid at the end of the season, which effectively catapulted us from the 8-10 range in the draft to 3.

Honestly, of the two players listed, I don't know who I would take. Cousins is the bruiser that this team desperately needs, but his character flaws may be of concern. Favors on the other hand is an athletic freak, who is yet to realize his full potential IMHO. Also, with Favors you may have to wait a few years before he could be counted on, whereas IMHO, Cousins is more NBA ready. All that being said, if Turner is available, I think I would take him. An Evans-Evan back could potentially be great!
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Post#18 » by Rocketsftw » Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:45 pm

They need a 3 IMHO. I like Green alot, but more as a weapon coming off the bench.

They need to just keep Evans at the 2 from now on, even though he can play point. Coming into the league, Lebron was a 1 but is now a 3, I see Evans moving around to the 1,2 or 3 spot depending on what kind of offense they run.


of course you all get the 1st pick then I would go for Wall.
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Post#19 » by pillwenney » Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:01 pm

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cuad wrote:DeMarcus Cousins, and it's not even close. He's like like 280lbs, with someone that big the guys won't be bullied in the paint by guys like Gasol and Dwight. All of a sudden our defense and rebounding becomes much better, because we'll have someone who takes up space and can't be moved.


Kyrylo Fesenko - 300 lbs
Eddy Curry - 295 lbs
Glen Davis - 289 lbs
Jerome James - 285 lbs
DeSagana Diop - 280 lbs
Darko Milicic - 275 lbs

All say :wassup:


Your point is more or less valid, but to be completely fair, Diop really doesn't get pushed around like that, and when he's right, Darko looks like something of a defensive force (he's usually not "right" though). And Big Baby isn't really a valid example since he's so short.

Having said that, Cousins is also already pretty well known for his post defense.

Having said that though, he shares some character issues with some of those other guys.

So basically, I don't know.
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Post#20 » by deNIEd » Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:56 pm

That's definitely true, that all of the players I listed, don't get pushed around easily. But it doesn't necessarily mean they are good defenders either. Add Shaq and Yao to that list and you get 2, maybe 3 or 4 players that are decent or better at that weight level.

So, I don't know either.

Dwight entered the league at 240 lbs and a vertical of 35.5. Also, he only benched 185lbs 7 times when he was drafted. (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Dwight-Howard-2888/)

Favor's, I've heard has a vertical anywhere from the range of 35-44. According to Maxprep's, it was measured at 39 inches.
http://www.maxpreps.com/news/NlgLaAwzQE ... ed-man.htm

But, on the same note, he is super raw and doesn't have much experience and isn't really skilled.

Ugh, Petrie pick already please

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