Gordon Hayward

Aiq · Post #1 » by **Aiq** » Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:40 am

Hey fellow Pacers fans, I just wanted to find out what people are thinking of Gordon Hayward right now. I know we will have a late pick...again...so we will miss out on Wall, Evans, Favors, etc and will be stuck with players who will be very much hit or miss(looks at you Ed Davis), so I wanted to see what everyone thought of Gordon Hayward. He is projected to be a mid 1st rd. pick assuming he stays in the draft. To me Xavier Henry and Eugene Munroe are two other players that obviously will get looks at this spot in the draft. Even though he is young, I like what Gordon Brings to the table, especially with Larry Bird watching overhead. He'd be a great mentor for him. Any way it goes, I'm sure JOB will screw up progression, but hopefully we can right the ship once he is gone...On that note, anyone else interested in Byron Scott or Avery Johnson...assuming either would ever consider coming this way. Or even Mark Jackson.

Post #2 » by **mizzoupacers** » Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:02 pm

I'm glad that he didn't sign with an agent, and I hope he pulls out of the draft and goes back to school next year. I'd much rather see him leading Butler on another run through the tournament next season than glued to some NBA team's bench.

Post #3 » by **Miller4ever** » Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:24 pm

Welcome to the board. Gordon Hayward is someone who I would like to see develop a little more. His passing isn't where I'd want it, and with our team, I'd like to see better ball movement. He also doesn't quite have the full range just yet (college 30% 3P shooter), although his shooting looks smooth.

8305 · Post #4 » by **8305** » Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:52 pm

I think if I Hayward went back to school for another year he could see an Evan Turner type result. Improve his ball handling, find the same shot consistency he had as a freshman and get stronger. Don't know that I see him playing point guard but the resulting player would be pretty dominating. Maybe even a high lottery pick.

Post #5 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:25 pm

Gordon Hayward is a Rip Hamilton type player in the NBA. A smooth, off the pick, perimeter, but not 3pt, shooter. He's fluid like a Mike Dunleavy (healthy, of course) as well.

Going into the tournament, I was not a fan of him (in terms of NBA potential). I saw him in high school quite a bit and was SO frustrated that the kid was one of the two tallest guys on the court (the only guy taller was his teammate Mavunga who went to Miami OH, I think), and he never once took the ball into the lane, until he had to when the game was on the line. Seeing him in the tournament, when I doubted him most, was when he produced the most. He's NBA caliber. Yeah, he'd be better to go back to Butler and develop, but he'd also possibly turn into the next McRoberts and come out as a fully scouted 2nd rounder in a few years. Hard to turn down $2-3 million guaranteed, or more, if it's available.

Wizop · Post #6 » by **Wizop** » Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:22 am

I hope we don't bite. he can be good but there will just be too much pressure on him here. Pacers have long thought that drafting Rick Mount was a mistake for the same reason. I assume Slick will remind Larry of that.

Aiq · Post #7 » by **Aiq** » Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:12 am

I just feel like, since we shat away our chance at getting a possible big time player to put next Granger, we should go for broke this year on a pick with potential. I don't need another safe Tyler I don't actually ever get on the court and play Hansborough. There really isn't a point guard I'm in love with at our spot in the draft, which is truly what we need, so we should just go for talent. We need someone who can create shots for everyone else, which would greatly improve both Danny's and Rush's games. Danny is amazing, but he doesn't create for others and make them better. Aj does an alright job of getting others involved, but he isn't ready to be the guy just yet. Anyway, I just feel like if we can't get "the guy" just yet to make others better, we should stock up on best player available until we are able to get the right guy in there. We can always sort out playing time and things later...once we get rid of JOB

8305 · Post #8 » by **8305** » Fri Apr 16, 2010 3:14 am

I like the Hamilton comparison better than Dunleavy. I see him as a better athlete than Dunleavy. I understand the injury risk and the fickle ways of NBA drafters. But I think generally players are better served by develoing their games as completely as possible before hitting the draft. I would be surprised if Hayward's game didn't improve with another year in the Butler system.

Post #9 » by **Grang33r** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 3:30 am

I wouldn't mind Indiana drafting Hayward at all. I think it's a very solid player and a very smart player. I love the Rip Hamilton comparison. I read an article during Final Four weekend about his NBA potential i forget from which NBA writer, i wanna say it was on Foxsports.com but they compared him to Manu Ginobili. I think the 10th pick would be high, because he is a project still and not NBA ready at all, but if he stays in the draft and drops past 20s, i think it'd be absolute dumb for Bird not to pull the trigger and try to get him.

Post #10 » by **PR07** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 5:09 am

He's not going to be a star, but he'll be a nice player for the team that drafts him. He does nothing great, but does a lot of things really well. He'd be better served staying another year and getting his shooting stroke more consistent, but I'm not sure if his draft stock will ever be higher. I always thought he was a little overhyped entering the tourney, but I learned that he's a pretty darn good player. I was especially taken back by his ability to get to the rim and in creating his own shot. We don't really have many of those guys on our current roster.

Post #11 » by **Grang33r** » Thu May 6, 2010 11:24 pm

Hayward is staying in the draft.... http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball ... er-hayward

“If I were managing an NBA franchise I would start with Gordon Hayward,” said Reiff, who worked at Butler under then-coach Barry Collier. “He is capable of making a team-building impact similar to Kevin Durant. Gordon has a school boy look, a humble ‘I will help you first’ demeanor yet a competitive gear that will rip the heart out of an opponent. I see it every day in workouts. The NBA franchise that nurtures this young man will get a monster player.”

Interesting quote from Ralph Reiff. I don't see it, like i said in a earlier post, i do see him as a solid NBA player, like a Ginobli but to mention him with Durant?

Post #12 » by **PR07** » Fri May 7, 2010 6:39 am

I think he'd be a nice glue player for a team already with established stars. If he makes it to a team like the Celts or Spurs, I could easily them taking him. He doesn't do anything great, but will do a lot of things well to help a team.

basketballwacko2 · Post #13 » by **basketballwacko2** » Sat May 8, 2010 3:30 pm

I'd take him in the 2nd rd. Could be a good back up post Dunleavy.

MUpacersSIC · Post #14 » by **MUpacersSIC** » Sat May 8, 2010 5:46 pm

basketballwacko2 wrote:I'd take him in the 2nd rd. Could be a good back up post Dunleavy.

Um he's going in the first round for sure. Probably top 20.

Post #15 » by **PR07** » Sat May 8, 2010 9:35 pm

I think he projects to at least a 5th starter on a contending team.

basketballwacko2 · Post #16 » by **basketballwacko2** » Sat May 8, 2010 9:59 pm

MUpacersSIC wrote:
basketballwacko2 wrote:I'd take him in the 2nd rd. Could be a good back up post Dunleavy.

Um he's going in the first round for sure. Probably top 20.

Yeah but if he slips, he should be gone by #17 or 18 but if he some how drops like DeJaun Blair did last season I'd take him with our 2nd. We need a PG and a PF not another SF. I'd like to have him to replace Dunleavy, so maybe we find some team to take MDJ and give us back a pick in the late teens for eating a 2nd year of salary minus a couple million.

Post #17 » by **Miller4ever** » Sun May 9, 2010 12:29 am

Gordon Heyward could definitely go the way of Jimmy Clausen, though not for the same reasons.

JR_SMITH_5 · Post #18 » by **JR_SMITH_5** » Sun May 9, 2010 1:34 am

If Indiana takes Hayward...lets see

Dunleavy
Foster
Hansbrough
McRoberts
Murphy.

..then they could sign Brad Miller as a backup big and Steve Blake as a backup point guard...good ole Indianapolis!

Post #19 » by **Miller4ever** » Sun May 9, 2010 3:40 am

Oh, jokes about the Pacers whiteness. How original.

Post #20 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sun May 9, 2010 3:56 am

JR_SMITH_5 wrote:If Indiana takes Hayward...lets see

Dunleavy
Foster
Hansbrough
McRoberts
Murphy.

..then they could sign Brad Miller as a backup big and Steve Blake as a backup point guard...good ole Indianapolis!

Oh, yes. Pick out the 3 guys (Murphy, Foster, and Dunleavy) who actually have contributed and played pretty well in their careers and would be welcomed by all 30 teams in the NBA (other than GS for Murphy and Dunleavy, for history reasons). Then, add in a guy who was a unanimous pick to go somewhere between 10 and 20 in the past draft (Hansbrough), and a guy who was a throw in to a deal and has signed nothing but a minimum salary guy that has kind of made good a bit in McRoberts.

Ignore the fact that we've given guys second chances in careers and helped them revive them (Jarrett Jack, Flip Murray, and Earl Watson). Or that Hansbrough as been on the only white 1st round pick for the Pacers since...Primo Brezec in 2000. Yup. 2 out of 10. 20%. Indiana's obviously racist. But, since we suck at all things, we apparently suck at being racist too.