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Post#1 » by It_Was_Typed » Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:38 am

Randolph Looking For Extension From Grizzlies

Zach Randolph might not know the exact details of the three-year, $57 million extension Pau Gasol signed last December that runs through the 2013-14 season. But Randolph does believe he's worthy of getting a similar extension.

"Definitely,'' Randolph said.

Randolph said in an interview with FanHouse before Monday's game at Denver he wants to sign an extension this summer, and has told Grizzlies owner Michael Heisley his desire to remain with the Grizzlies beyond when his contract expires in 2011.

"Me and Pau Gasol got signed to the same deal when he was in Memphis and I was in Portland,'' said Randolph, whose contract actually is slightly less, with Randolph making $16 million this season and $17.33 million next season and the Lakers star earning $16.45 million and $17.82 million in those seasons. "We got the same contract, and it got extended. ... I hope (to get the extension done this summer). I'd definitely like to get it done.

"I like it here,'' Randolph said of Memphis. "I told the owner I want to be here. If they're going to let me be open and be a free agent or they're going to extend me or lock me in, I'd rather take a lock in.''

"Quite frankly, Zach obviously has been a player that really has made the difference for us this year,'' Michael Heisley said by phone. "Obviously, we want to keep him through the rest of his career. We've got some things with the players that we have to sign, like Rudy Gay and some other players, but hopefully we can work on an extension (with Randolph). I am going to talk to him.''

I think 3 years-$40M is fair. I know it's much less than what Pau got, but the Grizzlies are not in a position to throw the mass amount of money that the Lakers can. Rudy and Ronnie are going to be free agents, next summer Conley and Gasol will be free agents and O.J. will be up for an extension in no time.

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Post#2 » by jefe » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:51 pm

Agreed. Zbo has been amazing for the Grizz - statistically, he's probably had the best single season in Grizz history. With that said, I don't think it's wise to hamstring the franchise by giving him the amount of money he wants. He's played exceptionally well, and he's worth more than what the Grizz can afford to pay to retain him. If his feelings about Memphis are genuine, then maybe he'll take a deal along the lines IWT proposed.
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Post#3 » by dark-child » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:01 pm

If Brewer & Gay are signed collectively for less than 16.5 on the first year for next season than yes the Grizz should count themselves lucky and extend Randolph on a three year deal with the third year being a team option. Granted he is better than Pau but Randolph's skills will decline and he doesn't jump as young man so having a contract go longer than it should could be real ugly. Right now Conley, Gasol squared, and Mayo are not close to requiring max money with only Gasol getting more due to a lack of big man, but any reasonable developement from the Tanzanian twitter and his checks could be coming from some where else.
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Post#4 » by GrizzledGrizzFan » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:36 pm

I don't think Zach's skills will decline as quickly as some are anticipating, based on his game not being predicated on athleticism. Much in the way Ronnie Lott never had to deal with "losing a step", which is can be so devastating to a DB - Ronnie never was a burner to start with. His game was based on a high FB IQ and hitting REALLY hard. In the same way, Zach's never been accused of playing above the rim. So a three year deal (at the right price) isn't a bad thing in my mind.

I read another post earlier that whatever Lee ends up getting may be a more realistic bar for Zach, contract wise.

edit - and 3 @ $40 - $42 million would be fine with me.
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Post#5 » by eitanr » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:33 pm

FYI Pau Gasol is a better player than Zach Randolph regardless of what the stats say and should be signed to a cheaper deal.

He should not compare himself to Gasol...PG is not much better...but defintiely someone more GMs would rather have on their roster.
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Post#6 » by bballshinobi20 » Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:47 am

Did you guys just claim that ZBo is better than Pau? :o
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Post#7 » by GrizzledGrizzFan » Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:01 am

bballshinobi20 wrote:Did you guys just claim that ZBo is better than Pau? :o


Read the thread again yourself - ONE person said Randolph was better than Pau.

For the record, Zach is having a better season than Pau is in 2010 and Pau has been Z'bo's beeotch in head to head match ups throughout the years. I used to dread Zach coming to play against the Grizz.
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Post#8 » by dark-child » Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:24 pm

I really am not interested in discussing with Laker Fan whether Randolph is better than Pau. I will only say as an individual who watched both play for the Memphis Grizz that for what this organization and the team needed during both stints that it is not even close. While Pau is not a scrub the team was not able to lean on him they way they lean on Zach. Furthermore look at the team mates each had during those stints as well. Zach is a beast on the boards when this team was the worst in rebounding last year. If you switched the two this year would the Laker record be better or worse? I know which direction the Grizz record would be. Pau has a very good skill set and it is perfectly suited along side the chucker #24. For what the Grizz have and need Zach is our guy and in my opinion better than Pau.
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Post#9 » by Downtown » Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:13 am

Regardless of what Randolph is worth given his stats I don't see Heisley offering more than $12mil. He has to factor in what they have to pay Gay and Marc Gasol into the equation, not to mention Ronnie Brewer. That's also a reason I could see them trying for a pointguard on a rookie contract and not making a big attempt at keeping Conley.

But if he truly does want to see this team climb up the ladder then keeping the strong duo of Randolph and Gasol is a must. The rest can be tweaked a little in my opinion.
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Post#10 » by ThreeYearPlan » Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:12 am

Are you guys serious with wanting Gay back, especially if he might cost bringing Z-Bo back?
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Post#11 » by GrizzledGrizzFan » Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:05 am

MayoisMemphis wrote:Are you guys serious with wanting Gay back, especially if he might cost bringing Z-Bo back?


I'm greedy - I want Rudy, Marc, Zach AND OJ long term - at the right price.

Oh, and I'll take a side of John Wall with my lineup too, please...
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Post#12 » by ThreeYearPlan » Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:09 am

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MayoisMemphis wrote:Are you guys serious with wanting Gay back, especially if he might cost bringing Z-Bo back?


I'm greedy - I want Rudy, Marc, Zach AND OJ long term - at the right price.

Oh, and I'll take a side of John Wall with my lineup too, please...


I think Gay has zero impact on winning, makes players like Mayo and Conley worse because he is a black hole, denies touches to Z-Bo and Marc because he is a black hole and could easily be replaced imo.
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Post#13 » by BarbaGrizz » Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:42 am

I want Gay back, but only for less than 10M. He´s not worth more than this and we have his replacement in the roster already: Brewer
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Post#14 » by It_Was_Typed » Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:50 am

Rudy can kick rocks if he demands more than $10M (which he will).

Re-sign Brewer for a third of the price.
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Post#15 » by ThreeYearPlan » Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:08 am

So what would be some guys to get in a Rudy Gay S&T?
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Post#16 » by dark-child » Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:16 pm

I think realistically the best we could hope for would be for Washington to pick up the option on Josh Howard and Rudy goes home. Aside from that I don't seem much other than a huge trade exception. Teams like New Jersey, Miami, and Minnesota can sign him out right to ridiculous dollars and they don't have anything remotely helpful coming this way in a sign and trade.

As for Brewer being his replacement we would be shorter than we already are when we really need to get longer. If Brewer is the starting small forward for us we are in trouble unless Evan Turner is the point guard next to Mayo, than I would take that lineup.

The salary CAP is declining and owners are pushing for revenue sharing with the next CBA so Zach would be lucky to receive anything north of 10 mil per year. Him playing for a contract again next season is not such a bad thing as there is no reason for the Grizz to do anything at this time.
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Post#17 » by It_Was_Typed » Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:31 pm

Minnesota - Corey Brewer
New Jersey - CDR
Washington - Mike Miller
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Post#18 » by BarbaGrizz » Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:56 pm

grabbing Corey Brewer would be awesome, but the way he was playing this season I doubt Sotta will trade him. Unless they get Turner, then I can see this S&T happen...
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Post#19 » by Twinkie defense » Fri May 28, 2010 8:51 pm

Tricky situation with Randolph... on the one hand, his excellent performance this season, one the other, his history as... let's just not exactly a guy you would have built your team around. Was his performance this season the new Zach or an outlier? And if you just had the season he had and your boss is asking you to take a $5 mil+ pay cut, how would you react?

It seems the thing to do is sit on the hands until next summer, make Zach prove himself again next season, and then go from there. No reason to take on the risk on both sides of the equation before you have to.
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Post#20 » by GrizzledGrizzFan » Fri May 28, 2010 9:21 pm

Twinkie defense wrote:It seems the thing to do is sit on the hands until next summer, make Zach prove himself again next season, and then go from there. No reason to take on the risk on both sides of the equation before you have to.


That's pretty much exactly what the Grizz beat writer says will end up happening.
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