Should the Jazz have traded the NYK pick?

[HolyToledo]

I was pushing hard for the Jazz to trade the NYK pick at the trading deadline. The Jazz could have gotten Butler and Haywood for that pick and Harpring/Brewer. They likely could have gotten an allstar caliber player bc everyone around the league over-valued that pick Boy what could have been, and we would still have Maynor as a back up PG. Instead we traded for saving luxury tax while keeping a 9th pick in the draft. Unless the Jazz win the lottery to get into the top three picks, KOC made a mistake by not going for it this year.

KOC hasnt learned that when you have a chance to win it all, you gamble the future to try to win it. See the Mavs making the deal, Lakers taking on Gasol salary, and Cavs taking on Jamison. The Jazz just want to save a buck or two.

[DiscoLives4ever]

Nobody "overvalued". The pick was a gamble leaning towards being a top-pick. I would have the team do exactly what they did 10 times out of 10, because the chance of a big payoff is to much to ignore

[edfmx86]

youre gonna laugh at yourself for making this thread when Cole Aldrich becomes the white Bill Russell

[babyjax13]

And if they traded it you would be complaining anyway. Maybe you should become a Raptors fan.

[HolyToledo]

youre gonna laugh at yourself for making this thread when Cole Aldrich becomes the white Bill Russell

or an even whiter Ostertag....Draft has no gaurantees. Adam Morrisons, Darkos, and Odens are too common. All talented but didnt develop for some reason. Butler/Haywood would have made a huge difference how far the Jazz would have gone this year in the playoffs and that was a sure thing.

[Lava Rock Kid]

I am hoping for another Snyder, crazy players are funny.

[Wolverine]

Or a criminal like Whaley o DSteve

[DelaneyRudd]

The Jazz could have gotten Butler and Haywood for that pick and Harpring/Brewer.

Source?

[StocktonShorts]

The Jazz could have gotten Butler and Haywood for that pick and Harpring/Brewer.

Source?

And look at what both of those guys are doing in Dallas: underachieving for a team that has little chance at a title. That trade looks so much better on paper than it has turned out to be.

Over the summer I wondered if the Jazz shouldn't trade that pick while it had maximum value, but with the way the Knicks have played this year I think holding onto was the right move. The Knicks were only a few close wins from being truly terrible. Just a few weeks ago the pick looked like Top 5 territory. If they had traded it for Brendon Haywood we would've been crying for KOC's head at that point.

There's still a chance they get really lucky and land in the top 3; and then even if they stay at nine or whatever there's the chance someone drops (or someone else's stock rises undeservedly). You can get really good talent in the top 10.

[Sloanfeld]

And how exactly would we have traded Harpring at the deadline???????????????????

[hoops4life]

The Jazz could have gotten Butler and Haywood for that pick and Harpring/Brewer.

Source?

My exact thoughts...

[HolyToledo]

Source?? much more than what Wiz got in the deal...of course they woould have done it in a second. Jazz should have kept harpring and traded him with Brewer with the NYK pick for a stud big man or 2 good players....thats my point....Look at tonights game versus Suns. The most important game of the year and Kosta has to play significant minutes. Jazz management and fans are satis fied with just being good and dont want to take risks to be great.

[HammerDunk]

Is it me or is Butler massively overrated? I think the much better pickup in that deal was Hayward, but I'm not sure that taking Butler on your team makes that deal worth it. Dallas will be very lucky to beat San Antonio.

And LOL @ you thinking Hayward would make the difference in tonight's game...

[Soul Patch]

Sorry Toledo, it doesn't get any whiter than this.

[Fido]

If the Jazz had made that trade at that time, we would be looking at this scenario this summer:
AK at $17,822,187
Deron at $14,940,152
Butler at $10,561,960
Okur at $10,500,000
Millsap at $6,200,000
These 5 players alone would be $60 mill against the cap. With the salary cap projected to be down in the $51-$53.6 million range your choices are to resign your own free agents at whatever the price, add whoever you can with your trade exceptions ($6.5 and $1.3 million), mid-level exception, or league minimum players--and you need 8 players minimum--making you be in the same salary situation as the Celtics ($60 mill allocated to 5 players). Only the Lakers and Mavericks currently have higher commited salaries. By comparison the Cavaliers have $65 million allocated--but to 10 players.

Add free agents in Haywood (looking for a raise from his $6 mill), Boozer ($12.6 mill), and Korver ($5.1 mill).
If you added all 3 back at their previous salary (not likely), you are now the highest allocated salary in the league and still need to add 5 more players.

Oh--and we would only have the 54th pick in the 2010 draft.

That would be called throwing it all at this year and planning on having a tough year next year (since we all know it would be INSANE to try and compete with salaries that high) and then completely rebuilding in the summer of 2011 when the CBA expires and the touted free agent class of 2010 has all found a home.

I like KOC's plan better. Compete the best you can this year and next and leave yourself options to improve for the future.

[hoops4life]

Right... it isn't very feasible. I thought there was an article recently that is putting the cap number to barely over $54 million.

[kebutah]

We still don't know what we have with the NY pick. It could be great or just good. I would not have increased our salary this year unless I thought it would improve our final playoff end. In other words if it didn't make it certain we make the finals I would not have traded it. I did not see those types of players available. There was not one individual player in trade rumors that I think would have increased our chances of making the finals this year.

[Beto]

I agree with Kebutah, even if we traded the pick, there was not one player that would have put us in the final. Hindsight is always 20-20, in a couple of months we'll see, maybe we should have. But hey, if the ping pong balls bounce our way and we get the into one of the 1-3 picks, there would be a thread about why did we traded the pick!

[carrottop12]

If you don't rebuild through free agency you have to rebuild through the draft. Teams almost never rebuild successfully through trades so I have to say the Jazz made the right decision.

Of course there are exceptions to that rule. The Lakers got one of the best big men in the league by chance, a deal that everyone thought was unfair. And the Celtics got KG by giving away all of their young talent, though it appears that getting Rajon Rondo has been one of the biggest keys to their success.

The majority of teams build their futures by getting high draft picks and hoping they become superstars. The Jazz are looking to get someone in the draft that will turn into an all-star caliber play who they can hold on to for a rookie salary for the next 4 years. The Jazz really weren't in a position to take on another max player.

[Marty McFly]

dude, its still a lotto pick. the gamble is still better than getting a "barely" all star in return.