The Official Rebuildation Thread

[vincecarter4pres]

***Disclaimer*** Trade with Indianna and the whole scenario relies solely on NJ getting the 3rd or 4th pick in the draft and Evan Turner and John Wall off the board. This also assumes will resign with Cleveland, or at least not sign with New Jersey.

So I wanted to mess around with a few mock scenarios with our team, and so, here you go...
I put this up on the Trades and Transactions Board as well.
Sorry, it's a little long.



**Trade #1**
NJ sends:
3rd or 4th overall pick
Devin Harris
Yi Jianlian
Kris Humphries

Indianna sends:
Danny Granger
TJ Ford
10th overall pick

Why?
Indianna goes for a complete rebuild with a likely franchise big in Cousins or Favors, if not Monroe. This probably works better with Devin Harris going to a third team for a younger player or another pick, maybe or maybe not.
NJ adds a young, veteran star and a later lotto pick.
NJ drafts either Patrick Patterson or Ed Davis with the 10th pick.


**Trade #2**
NJ sends:
TJ Ford
Chris Douglas-Roberts

Chicago sends:
Kirk Hinrich

Why?
Chicago gets out of some of Kirk's contract, but picks up a productive player in that expiring. They also get a young wing player/prospect in CDR that is on an extremely cheap contract, albeit for only one more season.
NJ picks up a defensive guard in Hinrich who can help with the ball handling duties and playmaking and spread the floor with his three point shooting.



**Trade #3**
NJ sends:
Dallas pick(27th I believe)
Pure cap space

Golden State sends:
Ronny Turiaf

Why?
Golden State saves some green, picks up a draft pick and opens up time for Anthony Randolph and Brandan Wright.
NJ bolsters the bench with a true defensive presence and emotional spark plug.



**Draft**
With the 10th pick NJ takes either Patrick Patterson or Ed Davis.
With the 31st pick, NJ takes someone like Elliot Williams or Terrico White.



**Free Agency**
This is where the magic happens. Obviously this is all up in the air, but we'll just assume for this thread that NJ succesfully signs no other than Dwayne Wade. They then resign Jarvis Hayes as a bench shooter and Udonis Haslem as another backup big.



**Final Result**
PG Kirk Hinrich
SG Dwayne Wade
SF Danny Granger
PF Pattrick Patterson or Ed Davis
C Brook Lopez
Bench: Terrence Williams, Ronny Turiaf, Courtney Lee, Jarvis Hayes, Udonis Haslem and other rookie as a bench combo guard.

A mix of vets and youth, a superstar, a couple other stars, gritty role players and athletic energy off the bench. They have the score from anywhere, Dwayne Wade. A true post presence in Brook Lopez. Shooters to stretch the defense and a jack of all trades 3 man and perfect second option in Granger. At the 4 they have a rebounding, athletic, solid defensive garbage man that has to just fit in.Possibly Haslem would be better served as the starter with whichever rookie coming off the bench, but I liked the veteran presence shoring up the second unit. Hinrich is a pesky on ball defender that would also take pressure off Wade by assuming some ball handling and playmaking responsibilities along with spreading the floor with his reliable outside shooting. The bench is a run and gun defensive group that will create a lot of turnovers and run the break, along with lighting it up from deep.

Thoughts?

[Preludepunk27]

I'm not in love with it, but I'm ok with it...except you even bringing Ed Davis into the equation. I hate him more than any other college player. He is Sir Bust-A-Lot if anyone wastes a lotto pick on him. We clearly saw this season that he is overrated as all hell. Any slightly above average player owned him this year.

I'd rather draft Wes Johnson or and hope Gani Lawal is there at our Dallas pick. The lets us ship out CDR for pork rinds and get a real SF in there.

[deviljets7]

No denying Granger's talent, but I'm not sure I like this one. I understand the issues with Cousins (especially with Brook), but if the idea is to get a young cornerstone SF, is trading down from 3 for Wesley Johnson a better fit?

I personally like Monroe more than Paterson/Davis, but that's a minor issue.

Nothing against Turiaf, but I don't like the idea of giving up cap space AND a pick for him. I haven't done the math, but considering what you'd be paying Turiaf and Haslem, how close are you to being able to afford one of the upper echelon PFs in free agency?

[SOUP]

I don't see how it would work for Indiana. They will be getting a PG and two bigs, then getting a pick where they will be forced to draft a big, and have a huge whole at the SF spot.

Murphy/Yi/Hibbert/Humphries/Hansbrough/Jeff Foster/Solomon Jones/Cousins or Favors

I don't see it working.

I like the time and effort you put into this, it's very well organized, props. If we don't get the 1st or 2nd pick I say do anything drastic that'll put us in contention. This trade though as it is won't work, also factoring in that Wade coming here is like a 0% chance, which leaves us terribly weak at the SG position.

[deviljets7]

I don't see how it would work for Indiana. They will be getting a PG and two bigs, then getting a pick where they will be forced to draft a big, and have a huge whole at the SF spot.

Murphy/Yi/Hibbert/Humphries/Hansbrough/Jeff Foster/Solomon Jones/Cousins or Favors

I don't see it working.

Something tells me you can easily tweak the Indy deal and/or combine with the Hinrich trade (making it a 3-team one) to resolve that issue.

While it leaves NJ a little lopsided in terms of balance, Harris/3 for Granger/10 easily works also

[SOUP]

I don't see how it would work for Indiana. They will be getting a PG and two bigs, then getting a pick where they will be forced to draft a big, and have a huge whole at the SF spot.

Murphy/Yi/Hibbert/Humphries/Hansbrough/Jeff Foster/Solomon Jones/Cousins or Favors

I don't see it working.

Something tells me you can easily tweak the Indy deal and/or combine with the Hinrich trade (making it a 3-team one) to resolve that issue.

While it leaves NJ a little lopsided in terms of balance, Harris/3 for Granger/10 easily works also

Tweak it then.

[deviljets7]

I don't see how it would work for Indiana. They will be getting a PG and two bigs, then getting a pick where they will be forced to draft a big, and have a huge whole at the SF spot.

Murphy/Yi/Hibbert/Humphries/Hansbrough/Jeff Foster/Solomon Jones/Cousins or Favors

I don't see it working.

Something tells me you can easily tweak the Indy deal and/or combine with the Hinrich trade (making it a 3-team one) to resolve that issue.

While it leaves NJ a little lopsided in terms of balance, Harris/3 for Granger/10 easily works also

Tweak it then.

We can do this a couple ways.

1. Three team deal (Combining with the Hinrich trade) where Ford stays in IND (providing better balance) and Hump/Yi go to Chicago (giving the Bulls an extra mil in cap space compared to Ford).

2. Combining the Ford trade with the Turiaf one (and possibly the Hinrich as well). On the Trade Forum, GSW didn't like the fact that they weren't getting a viable replacement to help fill Turiaf's minutes. Humphries would help accomplish that. Plus it wouldn't shock me if you can extract a bit of value from Indy or Chicago if you give them the cap relief that would come with not taking Hump. IE would the Bulls relent on wanting CDR if it saved them $3.2 mil expense on Humphries? Would Indy give up a couple of 2nd rounders knowing that losing Hump makes it possible for them to potentially use their MLE without going over the tax?

[SOUP]

We can do this a couple ways.

1. Three team deal (Combining with the Hinrich trade) where Ford stays in IND (providing better balance) and Hump/Yi go to Chicago (giving the Bulls an extra mil in cap space compared to Ford).

2. Combining the Ford trade with the Turiaf one (and possibly the Hinrich as well). On the Trade Forum, GSW didn't like the fact that they weren't getting a viable replacement to help fill Turiaf's minutes. Humphries would help accomplish that. Plus it wouldn't shock me if you can extract a bit of value from Indy or Chicago if you give them the cap relief that would come with not taking Hump. IE would the Bulls relent on wanting CDR if it saved them $3.2 mil expense on Humphries? Would Indy give up a couple of 2nd rounders knowing that losing Hump makes it possible for them to potentially use their MLE without going over the tax?

So what exactly are we looking at as a finishing roster? You suggested a Harris for Granger swap, Indy would never agree to that, and just because of that fact, the roster just looks extremely unappealing.

[vincecarter4pres]

But they would also be moving up to say the 3rd overall pick from 10th.
I am a big Patrick Patterson fan, but the difference between him and Cousins is like the difference between Udonis Haslem and Pau Gasol.

[deviljets7]

We can do this a couple ways.

1. Three team deal (Combining with the Hinrich trade) where Ford stays in IND (providing better balance) and Hump/Yi go to Chicago (giving the Bulls an extra mil in cap space compared to Ford).

2. Combining the Ford trade with the Turiaf one (and possibly the Hinrich as well). On the Trade Forum, GSW didn't like the fact that they weren't getting a viable replacement to help fill Turiaf's minutes. Humphries would help accomplish that. Plus it wouldn't shock me if you can extract a bit of value from Indy or Chicago if you give them the cap relief that would come with not taking Hump. IE would the Bulls relent on wanting CDR if it saved them $3.2 mil expense on Humphries? Would Indy give up a couple of 2nd rounders knowing that losing Hump makes it possible for them to potentially use their MLE without going over the tax?

So what exactly are we looking at as a finishing roster? You suggested a Harris for Granger swap, Indy would never agree to that, and just because of that fact, the roster just looks extremely unappealing.

Where did I suggest a Harris/Granger swap? You do realize the OP had the 3/10 pick swap as well right?

My tweaks were to the Humphries/Yi for Ford part of the equation.

[deviljets7]

But they would also be moving up to say the 3rd overall pick from 10th.
I am a big Patrick Patterson fan, but the difference between him and Cousins is like the difference between Udonis Haslem and Pau Gasol.

Honestly, this is why I think when push came to shove I'd pass on this deal. Just using your example the gap between a Gasol and a Haslem is a lot bigger than a Granger and a Harris.

This is nothing against Granger/#10, but if I'm giving up Harris and #3 in the same deal, I'd need a sure franchise player coming back. Is Granger that player?

[SOUP]

But they would also be moving up to say the 3rd overall pick from 10th.
I am a big Patrick Patterson fan, but the difference between him and Cousins is like the difference between Udonis Haslem and Pau Gasol.

Honestly, this is why I think when push came to shove I'd pass on this deal. Just using your example the gap between a Gasol and a Haslem is a lot bigger than a Granger and a Harris.

This is nothing against Granger/#10, but if I'm giving up Harris and #3 in the same deal, I'd need a sure franchise player coming back. Is Granger that player?

No, specially since we can't pair him up with a superstar wing or pg. Our best bet of FA signings are David Lee, and some quality vets on the cheap for the bench.

Top 2 pick.

[vincecarter4pres]

Mock Offseason Version 2.0

***Disclaimer*** This version of the this ongoing, compelling, scientifically achieving, award winning, mind bending, gaseous, raucous, mildy entertaining, extremely disturbing and expertly factoideous series will focus on the New Jersey Nets of the NBA basketball conglomerate scoring the elusive 2nd overall pick in that thing that allows us to pluck college students out of a group of their peers and overpay them to the point they may say and do some really dumb things in public!
It also relies on Washington not getting the #1 overall.
We'll also assume Lebron, Wade and Bosh sign elsewhere...



**Draft**
2nd overall pick - Mr. Evan Muthabuckin' Turner
27th overall pick - traded
31st overall pick - Demetri McCamey
34th overall pick - Jerome Jordan


**Trade #1**
NJ sends:
Devin Harris
Yi Jianlian
Kris Humphries

Washington sends:
Gilbert Arenas
34th overall pick

Why?
NJ upgrades the point guard position and brings in a true star, but takes a huge risk. Also add a 2nd round pick to fill a roster spot with cheap talent with potential.
Washington dramatically cuts salary, but brings back high level, cheap, young talent.


**Trade #2**
NJ sends:
27th overall pick
Courtney Lee
massive TPE

Detroit sends:
Tayshaun Prince
future protected 1st

Why?
NJ brings in a stud defender at the wing that can nail the three ball and make some nice passes. Great glue guy, he is still young enough where he has resign value for a 3 or 4 year deal.
Detroit instantly become 2010 players and pick up a pick and a nice young player.



**Free Agency**
First off, the big signing. Carlos Boozer. Shores up the power forward position with a perrenial stud rebounder, post scorer, good in the pick and pop, hell of a passer and he should fit well with Brook Lopez and vice versa.
Next, shore up the bench. Sign Jermaine O'neal to be the first big off the bench. Yes he's old and has a ton of wear on him, but he has proven to still be quite effective and a very good defender and with us he would play about 22mpg.
Reup Dooling.
Reup Jarvis Hayes or try to land either Kyle Korver or Mike Miller.
Sign Theo Ratliff to a vet minimum to be an end of the bench big, maybe even Boone.


**Final Results**
PG Gilbert Arenas
SG Evan Turner
SF Tayshaun Prince
PF Carlos Boozer
C Brook Lopez
Bench: Jermain O'neal, Terrence Williams, Keyon Dooling, either Hayes, Korver or Mike Miller, Jerome Jordan, Demetri McCamey, Theo Ratliff

I think this team is literally a contender right from the jump and remains that way for 4 or 5 seasons. Even after that, there is a youth core that should be outstanding and completely ready to take over when Arenas and Boozer are in their twilight. There is always the draft and the MLE to add talent if and when needed in the future. Team would have a high payroll, but hey, we aren't paying for it. We also remain quite flexible for future trades with only one truly huge contract and a lot of assets. Prince would likely reup for maybe 3 or 4 years at around MLE level as well.

Like it, hate it, want to punch me in the temple and throat? Bring it on!

[Jersey Generals]

Dude, I want to punch you in the temple and throat just for your undying dedication to one Gilbert Arenas.

[Preludepunk27]

I actually would be fine with that second scenario...accept Gilbert. Not that I am down on him, but ALL of those players that are in the starting 5 need an above average floor leader to be truly effective on the offensive end. They need struction to succeed which isn't how Gilbert players. That starting 5 would be great, but we would need a Chauncy Billups, Deron Williams, Chris Paul kind of PG. Maybe swing a deal with our future firsts and get give Ricky Rubio his shot in the NBA. Even Jordan Farmar would be decent over gilbert in that lineup (don't care what people say, I'm still high on him and he isn't a triangle offense kind of player).

[vincecarter4pres]

Dude, I want to punch you in the temple and throat just for your undying dedication to one Gilbert Arenas.

Sorry, I can't control myself.

I do think it is forgotten how good this guy actually is though.

[vincecarter4pres]

I actually would be fine with that second scenario...accept Gilbert. Not that I am down on him, but ALL of those players that are in the starting 5 need an above average floor leader to be truly effective on the offensive end. They need struction to succeed which isn't how Gilbert players. That starting 5 would be great, but we would need a Chauncy Billups, Deron Williams, Chris Paul kind of PG. Maybe swing a deal with our future firsts and get give Ricky Rubio his shot in the NBA. Even Jordan Farmar would be decent over gilbert in that lineup (don't care what people say, I'm still high on him and he isn't a triangle offense kind of player).

Dude, I would kill for Deron Williams or Chris Paul, but I don't think it's realistic(especially in the case of Deron) and even if they were available, there is no way we would be able to keep Turner and/or a lot of our cap space to sign a high level wing.
Then again, maybe that wing player wouldn't be needed with one of those guys.
Billups is nice, but I don't see him being moved and honestly, he is old and on the decline.

@ Jordan Farmar. I would be fine with him as a backup, or maybe as the starting point if the rest of the lineup was silly stacked, but still, I mean dude, it's Jordan Farmar.

Rubio, I think it would take a lot to pry him from Kahn's filthy point guard hoarding paws and even then, he is such an unknown commodity. I think he'll be pretty good, but I don't know that I buy the hype that is thrown around for this guy, plus he's pretty much stuck in Europe for at least one more season.

[Preludepunk27]

Here is a list of guys I think would do well working with that line up:

DJ Augustin
Raymond Felton
Ty Lawson
Stephen Curry
Jordan Farmar
Mike Conley
Mario Chalmers
Darren Collison
Chris Paul
Chauncey Billups
Eric Maynor
Russell Westbrook
Tony Parker
Deron Williams

Honestly I italicized the guys who I think we have no shot in getting at all. I bolded the players I honestly felt we could acquire for the right price who would be better over wasting our time with Gilbert and would better fit the offense. Some obviously are young guys, some are old. Some may need a year, some may be able to take the reigns now, but the guys in bold I TRULY believe they can be had this offseason and we have the ability to acquire them. Personally I'm not super high on Tony Parker, but if I was putting together the Nets, I'd make a call about him. George Hill has been great in his absense and San Antonio may want to free up some cap to help Tim Duncan elsewhere. Tony's price may come a little lower than usual because of his injuries. He's played 72 games once in the last 3 years, but he can still ball most definitely. His leadership is what we need...a VETERAN STARTER WHO IS A LEADER. Devin proved this year he can really only be a co-leader in my opinion. If we can swing a 3 team deal moving Devin and filler/picks (obviously I haven't thought of one and the other team would be including players, I'm just doing a hypothetical so don't read too into it) and landing Tony Parker in Jersey, I say that is a great starting point for us. Tony will bring a world of knowledge to Brook since he's played next to Tim for close to a decade and is the PG we need to start the glue of our starting 5. Add Turner at the 3 and Amare at the 4 and that line up is pretty nasty to me.

Parker
Lee/Twill
Turner
Amare
Brook

Hey it's better than the Bucks lineup and they're a playoff team.

Of course, this logic goes out the window if we land #1.

I'm just saying, there are PG's I feel are available this offseason that are much better suited for us than Gilbert Arenas.

[vincecarter4pres]

I love me some Eric Maynor.
Augustin is a guy I find kind of intriguing as well.
I would give up a ton for Steph Curry, but the only way I see them moving him is if they land Wall.
I like the idea of Chalmers. He had a terrible season, but he's pretty solid and I think he could be had on the cheap, so he's a nice option even if for off the bench.
Ty Lawson is interesting, just don't see anyway Denver moves him if we don't overpay like crazy.
Conley, Felton and Billups I have very little interest in.
As good as he played, I am honestly not a big fan of Collison, even Westbrook for that matter.

Tony Parker is very interesting, I just don't see San An moving him, especially with the Ginobli extension, I more see them trying to make a major move with RJ's expiring and any of the slim assets they have.

You make some very important and legitimate points though. I will admit, I often look at the lineups I create in some of my offseason scenarios and worry about the lack of a true leader, even in some of the cases when I believe I have created a well balanced lineup on paper. It is definitely something that I hope out FO addresses in the offseason if we don't get Wade or Lebron, which we probably won't.

I still hold open the dream of aquiring Chris Paul without completely gutting our roster, while still keeping cap space to add one max player. I would certainly trade Wall for Paul...

[NetsForce]

Ty Lawson isn't a starter in this league. He's too small... It's just the conclusion I walk away with the more I see the guy play