Browns Pick Watch Thread

Post #81 » by **B Mac** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:39 pm

This thread is pure comedy. I especially loved the first few pages.

I dont blame you guys one bit for originally expecting a top pick for next year. Every single media outlet had us picked to finish in the bottom 3. Those of us who actually followed the team knew we had more talent than that. That remaining schedule makes things look awfully bad for Dallas fans, and awfully good for Cleveland fans. We should be favored in every last game this year. Who would have thought the Browns would be this good though? Anyway good luck to the Cowboys the rest of the way out, and keep up the good work in this thread.

Jasen777 · Post #82 » by **Jasen777** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:31 am

No one thought Cleveland had a QB (if you tell me you knew Anderson would be this good I'll call you a liar). If was quite reasonable to expect a bad 8 games and then a really bad 8 games with rookie Quinn.

NeedsMoreCheese · Post #83 » by **NeedsMoreCheese** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 4:34 pm

Sorry to drudge this up again but i just figured id mention, at best we can get the 12th pick. (figuring in the the 9 teams with 9 losses or more so far, and a couple of teams with 8 losses playing each other). Of course assuming all that happened (highly unlikely) it still would come down to tiebreakers anyways so maybe it wouldnt be 12th. Right now mathematically only us and the Patriots are guarenteed of a lower draft pick than them (assuming the Browns dont make the superbowl in which case they move to 31 or 32 pending the outcome).

For the best (but least likely) scenario we'd need a ton of things to happen,
**Note, this doesnt include tiebreakers unless its head to head because i dont feel like going through all the other ties at the moment**

Well obviously, Cleveland to lose their 3 games

Tampa would need to 1 once to get ahead (which would give them the division and a playoff berth which would put them ahead, or a saints loss which also would give them the division)
San Diego wins at least once to get ahead
Buffalo (if they beat cleveland theyll have 8 wins and i assume since H2H theyd have a lower draft pick)
Minnesota one to tie, 2 to get ahead
Tennessee one to tie, 2 to get ahead
*Houston (they lost H2H), so theyd need 2 to get ahead
Saints 3 to get ahead (they cant win the division and make the playoffs with 2 so unless they lose the tiebreaker 2 wouldnt help)
Washington 3 to get ahead, 2 to tie (though they play minnesota but as i said Minnesota doesnt need 3 wins)
Detroit needs 2 to tie, 3 to get ahead
Arizona needs 3 to get ahead since they lost H2H (they play the Saints so if they won then the saints could only tie)
*Denver 2 to tie (which would give Minnesota another loss and then the Vikings could only tie)
Carolina needs 3 more just to tie
Philly theyd need to hand the saints another loss so either they, Arizona, or the Saints would miss out.
Chicago theyd need to win 3 which would mean another vikings loss and another Saints loss, so either they, the Vikings and the Saints would miss out.

So if by some miracle all that happened, except philly and chicago then the Browns would give us the 12th pick.

Id say its more likely only a couple of those things happen and we end up with something in the 18 (at best) to 22 range would happen. Which would be right around the pick we gave them last year (22).

sosafan70 · Post #84 » by **sosafan70** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:27 pm

I bet we could trade our Browns and our own #1 pick this year to New England's SF pick

NeedsMoreCheese · Post #85 » by **NeedsMoreCheese** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:30 pm

Kohl Is A Mome wrote:Sorry to drudge this up again but i just figured id mention, at best we can get the 12th pick. (figuring in the the 9 teams with 9 losses or more so far, and a couple of teams with 8 losses playing each other). Of course assuming all that happened (highly unlikely) it still would come down to tiebreakers anyways so maybe it wouldnt be 12th. Right now mathematically only us and the Patriots are guarenteed of a lower draft pick than them (assuming the Browns dont make the superbowl in which case they move to 31 or 32 pending the outcome).

For the best (but least likely) scenario we'd need a ton of things to happen,
**Note, this doesnt include tiebreakers unless its head to head because i dont feel like going through all the other ties at the moment**

Well obviously, Cleveland to lose their 3 games

Tampa would need to 1 once to get ahead (which would give them the division and a playoff berth which would put them ahead, or a saints loss which also would give them the division)
San Diego wins at least once to get ahead
Buffalo (if they beat cleveland theyll have 8 wins and i assume since H2H theyd have a lower draft pick)
Minnesota one to tie, 2 to get ahead
Tennessee one to tie, 2 to get ahead
*Houston (they lost H2H), so theyd need 2 to get ahead
Saints 3 to get ahead (they cant win the division and make the playoffs with 2 so unless they lose the tiebreaker 2 wouldnt help)
Washington 3 to get ahead, 2 to tie (though they play minnesota but as i said Minnesota doesnt need 3 wins)
Detroit needs 2 to tie, 3 to get ahead
Arizona needs 3 to get ahead since they lost H2H (they play the Saints so if they won then the saints could only tie)
*Denver 2 to tie (which would give Minnesota another loss and then the Vikings could only tie)
Carolina needs 3 more just to tie
Philly theyd need to hand the saints another loss so either they, Arizona, or the Saints would miss out.
Chicago theyd need to win 3 which would mean another vikings loss and another Saints loss, so either they, the Vikings and the Saints would miss out.

So if by some miracle all that happened, except philly and chicago then the Browns would give us the 12th pick.

Id say its more likely only a couple of those things happen and we end up with something in the 18 (at best) to 22 range would happen. Which would be right around the pick we gave them last year (22).

An update on this now and its a lot more clear, 15 teams will finish lower than the Browns meaning 16th pick at best.
Actually with add the Bills, Texans to that as well which means 18th at best.
If Jacksonville, Tennessee and Pittsburgh win a couple more theyd get the last two playoff spots and the Browns pick would be either 18, 19 or 20 depending on how the NFC teams finish too.

So just hope Pittsburgh, Tennessee and Jacksonville can win.
Pitt, @STL and @BAL
Jax, OAK and @HOU

Jacksonville only needs one win to insure themselves of being ahead of Cleveland in the Wild card (even if they lose their last game and tie at 11-5 they have the better conference record)
Pitt has the tiebreaker via H2H so they could win that division if they tied.

Tennessee needs to win both and have the Browns lose both since they dont have the tie breaker. (Well actually if the Browns lose to the Bengals and beat the Niners then theyd also be tied in conference record.
So then in Common Games the Titans would be 4-1 and the Browns 3-2. Meaning the Titans would get the spot and the Browns would miss the playoffs.

So it all boils down to the Bengals winning next week for any chance of 20 or better. (Of course the Titans need to beat the Jets too but that wont matter if the Bengals dont win).

Go Bengals, Go Titans.

Minhee · Post #86 » by **Minhee** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:35 pm

I wouldn't count on the Bengals, that is a pretty bad team. They laid an egg against the 49ers on Saturday. I am sure the Browns will win their remaining 2 games sadly.

SMRattler · Post #87 » by **SMRattler** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:22 pm

They might end up just two wins shy of us. :-(

NeedsMoreCheese · Post #88 » by **NeedsMoreCheese** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:09 pm

Minhee wrote:I wouldn't count on the Bengals, that is a pretty bad team. They laid an egg against the 49ers on Saturday. I am sure the Browns will win their remaining 2 games sadly.

Ye of little faith.

All we need now for the 20th pick is for the Titans to win their games.

NeedsMoreCheese · Post #89 » by **NeedsMoreCheese** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 1:22 am

And that game is going to be on SNF next week because of the flex change. Sweet.

(It doesnt matter what the browns do next week, if they lose and the titans lose then they get the tiebreaker via conference record so its only the Titans game that matters)

Minhee · Post #90 » by **Minhee** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:21 pm

The Titans must beat the Colts next week, hopefully the Colts will just roll over like we are with the Redskin. Also who do the Browns play next week? Hopefully they don't win that one either.

NeedsMoreCheese · Post #91 » by **NeedsMoreCheese** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 8:29 pm

Minhee wrote:The Titans must beat the Colts next week, hopefully the Colts will just roll over like we are with the Redskin. Also who do the Browns play next week? Hopefully they don't win that one either.

Who cares if they win?

Well actually, i suppose technically if they lose, the Vikings win and the redskins win MAYBE we could get 19th pick instead of 20th depending on the tiebreaker between minny and cleveland. Sure i guess one spot would be nice but i doubt there will be any difference really.

Apparently according to Peter King, Peyton will play one half AT MOST. So that combined with the Titans having played the Colts pretty well lately anyways should add up to them winning.

Post #92 » by **catalyst** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:02 pm

Chris Weinke to start for SF against Cle this weekend. Pick moves down

NeedsMoreCheese · Post #93 » by **NeedsMoreCheese** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:50 am

Its official, we will get the 20th pick from the Browns.
Overall, still a good trade, however due to what can only be described as a miracle season its not as good everyone thought it would be.

Post #94 » by **catalyst** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:27 pm

My fellow Sewanee Alum Phil Savage gets to keep his job as well