Chris Bosh Sign and Trade Ideas

[Mr June]

I'd actually rather move Jose before Turk

its terrible timing but Noah would do so much for this team. If you could sell Chi on trading Noah and Deng for Bosh and they'd still have enough room to sign Wade.

if you also included Hinrich for Jose it would give them even more room and maybe a more attractive deal as well as they would be getting a spot up shooter

Bulls fan here. Trading Noah just isn't going to happen- everything that comes out of the front office puts him and Rose as our cornerstones, and rightly so. He's still on a rookie contract and that puts us in a good position to add talent around him before we have to extend.
If we do a trade I just don't think that it's going to be sending a whole bunch of players out- more than likely it would be centered around a couple of first round picks- namely ours and the future Charlotte 1st, and/or Taj and JJ. Deng would be an outside shot if Toronto wanted to take him on- but I just don't see Chicago taking on any bad contracts in return. For better or worse the front office has always been behind Deng- and I can see us riding it out with him (I can't see a situation where we'd flip him for Hedo for example). The other thing to remember is that Chicago has a cheap owner- this is not a Dallas situation (imo your best bet for getting things of worth back) where we'd stack up contracts just for talent gain -in fact we just did the opposite with the Salmons trade.
All things considered I thin Chicago would be a good trade partner for you guys- either in terms of picks, young players, a trade exception, or facilitating a 3-way deal with our cap-space.

No offense, but you come out and say that Chicago isn't willing to give up any roster players except Taj and JJ (with no picks involved) OR is willing to give us 2 mid-1st rounders and then go on to say that you guys are good trading partners with us? Unless Bosh comes to us and says that he'll only go to Chicago, the Bulls are going to have to offer some kind of value for Bosh because I guarantee you there will be competition from other teams who will have much better offers than that.

I do agree that Noah is a pipe dream for Raptor fans, I think anyone outside of Noah / Rose is fair game and the Bulls would be willing to make something happen. Noah / Rose / Bosh is one of the best trios in the East and is also very young to boot - they'd be stupid to let their loyalty to someone like Deng or Hinrich cost them a chance to contend for the next 7 years.

Firstly- as Coldfish wrote I'm sure anyone outside of Noah + Rose is definitely available- the point about Deng was just in relation to another post talking about flipping Hedo for Deng, which seems like a trade that is separate to Bosh anyway. If Toronto wanted Deng+more I'm sure Chicago would go for it.
I said 'and/or' on the young guys and picks- so I'm not saying one or the other because I really don't know want Toronto would want. I'm also not trying to speak for what I would want- it's more about listening to Gar and Pax in interviews all year, and hear them talk about what our 'assets' are- they did this quite specifically after the Salmons trade.
The point I would make about S+T's is that it's not all about the offers that different teams can make- simply because the bidding war is going to be determined by where the player wants to go. The reason I think that we are a good trade partner is that we can offer all the different avenues of compensation (I'm not debating whether they are what you want or not).
TPE, Picks, Young guys on low contracts, Vets on big contracts- the point is that a lot of other teams can't give you all of those things- ie NY has no picks, Dallas has no TPE. etc

[Forza Barca]

I remember that year we picked Bargnani, Noah was also thinking of entering the draft but eventually pulled-out. He was the number 1 ranked draftee on NBADraft.net's charts that year. ... imagine if he actually decided to enter the draft that year and we picked him with our first pick instead of Andrea. The possibilities A center that rebounds, defends, plays with his heart and takes no sh*t from anybody ... damn

[joksinjai]

Bosh goes back home to texas!

Toronto:
Yao Ming and brooks

Houstan:
Jack and Bosh

[Wasp]

Firstly- as Coldfish wrote I'm sure anyone outside of Noah + Rose is definitely available- the point about Deng was just in relation to another post talking about flipping Hedo for Deng, which seems like a trade that is separate to Bosh anyway. If Toronto wanted Deng+more I'm sure Chicago would go for it.
I said 'and/or' on the young guys and picks- so I'm not saying one or the other because I really don't know want Toronto would want. I'm also not trying to speak for what I would want- it's more about listening to Gar and Pax in interviews all year, and hear them talk about what our 'assets' are- they did this quite specifically after the Salmons trade.
The point I would make about S+T's is that it's not all about the offers that different teams can make- simply because the bidding war is going to be determined by where the player wants to go. The reason I think that we are a good trade partner is that we can offer all the different avenues of compensation (I'm not debating whether they are what you want or not).
TPE, Picks, Young guys on low contracts, Vets on big contracts- the point is that a lot of other teams can't give you all of those things- ie NY has no picks, Dallas has no TPE. etc

Fair enough, you do have a point here. I just have a sinking feeling that Pax will try to low-ball us and CHI will end up losing out on what would be a great trio in Rose / Bosh / Noah. It seems like no one has a clue what Bosh will fetch in a S&T, and us here in Raptorland may be sorely disappointed with what we end up getting.

Of the assets the Bulls do have, I like Deng, Hinrich and James Johnson - the only problem is that we have Calderon and Hedo clogging up those two positions on our team. I also like the idea of somehow getting both Charlotte's and Chicago's 1sts in a S&T, as we could either use them to acquire cheap talent via the draft or use them in trades.

[RoyceDa59]

To me, Bosh and Noah are not too far off in terms of impact and value. I'd be ecstatic if we could net Noah in return for a Bosh S & T. Chicago would be silly to trade Noah though, he and Rose make for a great foundation. If they could add Bosh into that mix before extending Noah and Rose - they'd be a legitimate contender for the foreseeable future.

[hunnicam]

The best trade scenario would be if the Lakers didn't win the championship and they went after Bosh for Bynum.

[Dr Positivity]

To me, Bosh and Noah are not too far off in terms of impact and value. I'd be ecstatic if we could net Noah in return for a Bosh S & T. Chicago would be silly to trade Noah though, he and Rose make for a great foundation. If they could add Bosh into that mix before extending Noah and Rose - they'd be a legitimate contender for the foreseeable future.

Um... no

[34_fifty]

Bosh goes back home to texas!

Toronto:
Yao Ming and battier
Houstan:
jose and Bosh

fixed. *crosses fingers* IF Yao can stay healthy and of course if Bosh is leaving.

[IllmaticV]

The Bulls could conceivably trade Noah to Toronto in a Bosh S&T, but only under these circumstances:

- The Bulls sign one of Joe Johnson or Dwayne Wade before Bosh makes any decisions regarding his free agency
- Bosh sees the Bulls acquisition and is intrigued by the prospect of playing with Rose + JJ/Wade (at least, if he's serious about playing for a contender and not just concerned with being the #1 guy)
- At this point, despite having great perimeter scoring and creating, the Bulls lack an offensive presence in the low post. If there is an opportunity to acquire Bosh while losing Noah in this scenario, I could see the Bulls definitely taking advantage.
- The Bulls then draft someone like Alabi or Whiteside at #17 to make up for some of what they lose in terms of Noah's defensive abilities. They field a starting line-up next year of

Rose
Wade or Johnson
Deng
Bosh
FA C or Rookie C

I really like Noah and I believe the Bulls could be a contender with Rose/Bosh/Noah, but the above mentioned line-up could be even better, potentially. Admittedly, it's quite a long shot, as the Bulls could also conceivably work out something like a S&T for Amare where they do not have to give up Noah.

[pspot]

^ exactly, under thoughs circumstances I think it definitely works

its like the acquisition of Allen that got KG to Boston.....or was it the other way around?

on the flip side people will agrue that a Rose, Noah, JJ or Wade is just as good as a Rose, Bosh, JJ or Wade and not worth losing Deng (which I'm assuming has to be included cause they need to keep the cap free to sign JJ or Wade )

[coldfish]

I really like Noah and I believe the Bulls could be a contender with Rose/Bosh/Noah, but the above mentioned line-up could be even better, potentially. Admittedly, it's quite a long shot, as the Bulls could also conceivably work out something like a S&T for Amare where they do not have to give up Noah.

It has generally been assumed that Amare would not be getting a 6 year offer from anyone. He, according to Phoenix fans, asked for an extension that amounted to 5/85 and Phoenix turned it down. It is very likely that Lee, Amare and Boozer will all be signed directly by teams under the cap.

I heavily suspect that Amare will go to Miami on day one of free agency for a 5 year max deal, no sign and trade.

If true, Chicago will be in a position where they can either sign Boozer or Lee directly on day 1 or wait and negotiate with Toronto in hopes that something can be worked out for Bosh, which is obviously very dangerous for them.

Last note: Stuff out of the Chicago media indicates that Joe Johnson is actually their number 1 target after Wade turns them down. For whatever reason, Bosh does not seem to be very much on the radar of the Chicago sports media. It makes no sense given the obvious fit and need, but that's where we are at.

[Dr Positivity]

I really like Noah and I believe the Bulls could be a contender with Rose/Bosh/Noah, but the above mentioned line-up could be even better, potentially. Admittedly, it's quite a long shot, as the Bulls could also conceivably work out something like a S&T for Amare where they do not have to give up Noah.

It has generally been assumed that Amare would not be getting a 6 year offer from anyone. He, according to Phoenix fans, asked for an extension that amounted to 5/85 and Phoenix turned it down. It is very likely that Lee, Amare and Boozer will all be signed directly by teams under the cap.

I heavily suspect that Amare will go to Miami on day one of free agency for a 5 year max deal, no sign and trade.

If true, Chicago will be in a position where they can either sign Boozer or Lee directly on day 1 or wait and negotiate with Toronto in hopes that something can be worked out for Bosh, which is obviously very dangerous for them.

Last note: Stuff out of the Chicago media indicates that Joe Johnson is actually their number 1 target after Wade turns them down. For whatever reason, Bosh does not seem to be very much on the radar of the Chicago sports media. It makes no sense given the obvious fit and need, but that's where we are at.

With the way he's been playing since the all-star break I'm betting on him getting a 6 year 130 mil deal.

What I expect happens is Miami clearly chooses which of Bosh or Amare they want, and whether they have to give up our future 1st or nothing to get their choice won't matter. They're going to build the team they want. The kicker to me is how Riley and Spo stress defense. That's been the Heat mantra going back to the mid 90s. Apparently almost all their practice time with Beasley/Chalmers/Cook is focusing on defense. I think they want to model the Celtics, not the Suns. Top 3-5 defensive team and then Wade/Bosh/shooters for offense. That's the direction I'd go.

However if they do pick Amare, I think he'll only sign for 100 mil there if 130 is off the table. If you consider getting Bosh will likely also cost 130 and a pick, it's unlikely the Heat say "we're not signing you unless you take 100" as their choice will be to take Bosh/Amare at the price of a future pick or Boozer/Lee for free. They'll probably pay up, a future mid 1st is not a huge asset to give up

[pspot]

Talking about a Bynum for Bosh deal on the trade board and gave me this idea

Bosh and Jose for Bynum, Sasha and Walton

then

Sasha, Banks, Evans, Beli and 13th for Iggy and Daly

PG: Jack, FA (Duhon, Watson, Arroyo)
SG: Iggy, DD
SF: Turk, Sonny, Walton
PF: Bargs, Amir
C: Bynum, Daly, Nessy

[kl06ty]

Talking about a Bynum for Bosh deal on the trade board and gave me this idea

Bosh and Jose for Bynum, Sasha and Walton

then

Sasha, Banks, Evans, Beli and 13th for Iggy and Daly

PG: Jack, FA
SG: Iggy, DD
SF: Turk, Sonny, Walton
PF: Bargs, Amir
C: Bynum, Daly, Nessy

Why would we want Walton, Id rather Morrison than Walton and his horrible long contract

[pspot]

Talking about a Bynum for Bosh deal on the trade board and gave me this idea

Bosh and Jose for Bynum, Sasha and Walton

then

Sasha, Banks, Evans, Beli and 13th for Iggy and Daly

PG: Jack, FA
SG: Iggy, DD
SF: Turk, Sonny, Walton
PF: Bargs, Amir
C: Bynum, Daly, Nessy

Why would we want Walton, Id rather Morrison than Walton and his horrible long contract

cause they are taking Jose, deal works with Jack instead of Jose and no walton but id rather move Jose and his contract

[Wasp]

Talking about a Bynum for Bosh deal on the trade board and gave me this idea

Bosh and Jose for Bynum, Sasha and Walton

then

Sasha, Banks, Evans, Beli and 13th for Iggy and Daly

PG: Jack, FA (Duhon, Watson, Arroyo)
SG: Iggy, DD
SF: Turk, Sonny, Walton
PF: Bargs, Amir
C: Bynum, Daly, Nessy

Wow, where do I sign?

[pspot]

Talking about a Bynum for Bosh deal on the trade board and gave me this idea

Bosh and Jose for Bynum, Sasha and Walton

then

Sasha, Banks, Evans, Beli and 13th for Iggy and Daly

PG: Jack, FA (Duhon, Watson, Arroyo)
SG: Iggy, DD
SF: Turk, Sonny, Walton
PF: Bargs, Amir
C: Bynum, Daly, Nessy

Wow, where do I sign?

realistically its more likely if it includes DD in place of the 13th, as Philly isn't dumping Brand which is probably their biggest goal at this point.

Also is it worth making the move for Iggy if Bosh is gone?

[lucky777s]

Knicks could still be a player.

If Wade or LBJ are considering NY at all but want to see the Knicks sign someone else first they would look to land Bosh or Amare for sure.

If Bosh was willing I think the Knicks are the only team out there that would readily absorb Turk's deal (by flipping us the expiring Curry who could even play well for us in contract year). Would not affect Knicks cap room either.

With Bosh on board they would then have legit chance of luring LBJ, Wade, or JJ.

I still see the Heat as the big players for Bosh though. Unless Amare comes for less total money. Heat can now sign 2 max players on top of Wade who just dragged a lot of dead weight into the 5 seed.

[cookieman]

What a mistake it would be for Amare to leave, especially to go to Miami. He is more reliant on his PG to create his offense than any of these other prize FAs, including Bosh.

Speaking of which, if Amare bolts is Phoenix a destination for Bosh? No doubt Bosh would love to play with Nash, and they are currently a top 4 seed...but what would they send back?

In a perfect world, I'd say JRich (14m expiring), and Robin Lopez. Earl Clark is still an intriguing young player as well. And of course I love Jared Dudley. Phoenix would have about 8-9 million in capspace if Amare leaves, which they could either use to send less salary back to the Raptors, or sign a player to make up for the loss of whoever they send us.

[ansoncarter]

^phoenix fans thumbed their nose at a trade idea of jon wall for lopez, clark, and that young pg who's name I forgot

and it wasn't just one or two fans. It was a bunch. Probably over half of them

made me wonder if lopez is actually really really good? or maybe that pg is really good? their fanbase seems awfully high on them