Trading our 1st round pick...

greenway84 · Post #1 » by **greenway84** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 3:26 pm

I think we should consider trading away our 1st round pick and even consider trading one if not both 2nd round picks. We are young enough the way it is. I say its time to start bringing in some known talent. There is a lot of PGs in the league right now that are very good and obtainable.
Collision
Harris
Lawson
Stuckey
Paul
Just to name a few. Obviously some easier to obtain than others. But my point is there's no need to draft another young player this year. We have enough young talent to rebuild. Now we need to start bringing in some guys to mature the team.

kdawg531 · Post #2 » by **kdawg531** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 6:18 pm

For months I have been saying that I would think a Ford/1st rounder for Devin Harris would be something that would greatly interest both teams. Obviously there would need to be fillers to make it work but it makes sense for both teams. Harris will be available when the Nets draft John Wall, plus they get the expiring contract of a player who could be a good backup in NJ, and another draft pick.

We would get the point guard that we sorely need.

It just makes absolute sense, IMO, for both parties.

brook_11 · Post #3 » by **brook_11** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 3:10 am

kdawg531 wrote:For months I have been saying that I would think a Ford/1st rounder for Devin Harris would be something that would greatly interest both teams. Obviously there would need to be fillers to make it work but it makes sense for both teams. Harris will be available when the Nets draft John Wall, plus they get the expiring contract of a player who could be a good backup in NJ, and another draft pick.

We would get the point guard that we sorely need.

It just makes absolute sense, IMO, for both parties.

Im a nets fan. I think this is one to think about. But only if we are drafting Wall. if not, no way we do this trade.

Post #4 » by **Grang33r** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 3:13 am

brook_11 wrote:
kdawg531 wrote:For months I have been saying that I would think a Ford/1st rounder for Devin Harris would be something that would greatly interest both teams. Obviously there would need to be fillers to make it work but it makes sense for both teams. Harris will be available when the Nets draft John Wall, plus they get the expiring contract of a player who could be a good backup in NJ, and another draft pick.

We would get the point guard that we sorely need.

It just makes absolute sense, IMO, for both parties.

Im a nets fan. I think this is one to think about. But only if we are drafting Wall. if not, no way we do this trade.

I would love to get Devin Harris, but i doubt that would be the best offer the Nets would receive. While the 10th pick would be nice for them to add a decent player to put next to Wall, but, i don't think they will want TJ Ford anywhere near mentoring Wall.

kdawg531 · Post #5 » by **kdawg531** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 5:59 pm

Grang33r wrote:
brook_11 wrote:
kdawg531 wrote:For months I have been saying that I would think a Ford/1st rounder for Devin Harris would be something that would greatly interest both teams. Obviously there would need to be fillers to make it work but it makes sense for both teams. Harris will be available when the Nets draft John Wall, plus they get the expiring contract of a player who could be a good backup in NJ, and another draft pick.

We would get the point guard that we sorely need.

It just makes absolute sense, IMO, for both parties.

Im a nets fan. I think this is one to think about. But only if we are drafting Wall. if not, no way we do this trade.

I would love to get Devin Harris, but i doubt that would be the best offer the Nets would receive. While the 10th pick would be nice for them to add a decent player to put next to Wall, but, i don't think they will want TJ Ford anywhere near mentoring Wall.

I'm not sure I agree. I think Ford would be a good backup to Wall.

However, the major reason the Nets may have interest would be his $8.5 million coming off the books next summer. Let's face it, even with Wall, the Nets won't be a playoff team next year either, so having Ford on their roster would not be a huge liability.

FreeRon · Post #6 » by **FreeRon** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:32 pm

Ford isn't a bad guy, just not a starting PG. I don't know how many teams would offer a better deal than a lottery pick and a huge expiring contract. It looks like it could be a good deal for both teams, assuming the Nets get Wall.

kdawg531 · Post #7 » by **kdawg531** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 1:03 am

FreeRon wrote:Ford isn't a bad guy, just not a starting PG. I don't know how many teams would offer a better deal than a lottery pick and a huge expiring contract. It looks like it could be a good deal for both teams, assuming the Nets get Wall.

Exactly. For the Nets, considering their current situation, this is a perfect deal. No one player they may get for Devin Harris at this point will put them in the playoffs next season. Might as well accumulate as much expiring money as they can.

Post #8 » by **PR07** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 5:13 am

Sign me up if Chris Paul is available, but he's not.

I'd probably do Devin Harris or Collison though.

Moooose · Post #9 » by **Moooose** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 8:35 am

It's amazing that a number of us Pacers fans are thinking about dealing for Devin Harris. I was thinking about that same thing a couple of days ago.
The Nets will NOT pass on Wall if they get the 1st overall pick, and most probably look for another developing player plus another pick for Harris. I don't really see the need to have both pg's. Neither can play shooting guard and it's really not that feasible to keep em both. They need a PF (someone that could be better than Yi) and if someone like Motie, Monroe, or even Ed Davis is gonna be available at the 10th, i'd say we can really pull the trigger on this one.
I don't really just can't picture out the perfect scenario but if we could get Devin Harris plus maybe Josh Boone / CDR for the 10th pick and maybe Dunleavy plus a filler, i think i'd be happy.

Post #10 » by **Miller4ever** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 4:03 pm

My thoughts are that the Nets could very well take Evan Turner at #1.

Boneman2 · Post #11 » by **Boneman2** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 5:02 pm

Based upon the last couple draft-lottery's the worst team is not always assured of a top-two pick. If this happens New Jersey wouldn't consider dealing him. That is why they keep stressing, 'if we get Wall. M4Ever has a good point, New Jersey may want to pair Turner with Harris, instead of having just Wall to show for it.

Crossova21 · Post #12 » by **Crossova21** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:15 pm

If New Jersey does select Evan Turner we could still trade with the T'Wolves for Flynn or Rubio or with Warriors for Monta. I doubt Sactown would trade Tyreke but they might want Murph, our pick and Ford if they get Wall. Not likely but we've made stupid trades in the past as well.

MNPacersfan · Post #13 » by **MNPacersfan** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 11:01 pm

Don't hope for Flynn, the Wolves are incompetent. That's why they make terrible decisions with early picks year after year. It's really frustrating to be a displaced Pacers fan, but even more so to have a local team that's this hapless.

Oh, and as long as the Pacers/Nets wait until after the moratorium the Nets can renounce enough cap holds to take TJ for Harris straight up, no filler needed.

"By the way, I still want to know how Minnesota's David Kahn had the fifth and sixth picks in the draft, took two point guards, and somehow missed Curry AND Jennings. He was like the kid with the in the Big Kahuna Burger apartment who fired 25 bullets at Jules and Vincent Vega, and somehow didn't hit either of them." - Bill Simmons

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... ortCat=nba

Boneman2 · Post #14 » by **Boneman2** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:54 am

I'd be interested in Flynn or Rubio). As far as Kahn missing on both, he shouldn't have drafted two pgs.

Wizop · Post #15 » by **Wizop** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:49 am

I can see us trading for two lower picks in the first but I can't see us doing any deal that would leave us without a first round pick in a rebuilding year.

kdawg531 · Post #16 » by **kdawg531** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:46 pm

Wizop wrote:I can see us trading for two lower picks in the first but I can't see us doing any deal that would leave us without a first round pick in a rebuilding year.

Even if that meant offloading one of our huge contracts and getting a high quality starting PG?

Post #17 » by **Miller4ever** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:10 pm

^^That would be okay.

MNPacersfan · Post #18 » by **MNPacersfan** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:14 pm

Boneman2 wrote:I'd be interested in Flynn or Rubio). As far as Kahn missing on both, he shouldn't have drafted two pgs.

He traded the entire back court so I had no issues with him drafting lots of guards. I am very confused as to how Steph Curry slipped through their cracks...

Boneman2 · Post #19 » by **Boneman2** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:44 am

^^^^ Rubio is unproven, so atleast let him play before writing him off. Like Kahn, I was very high on Flynn because he is so damn competitive( see triple overtime SYR-UCONN v/s our own AJ Price). All the scouting reports said his defense was insane, and that he was more than capable of running an offense. What is your take on his first season MNPacersfan? 14pt/2.5 bds/ 4.5 as/1 st---28 mpg

I'd give you our first for either one of them.

MNPacersfan · Post #20 » by **MNPacersfan** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:28 pm

Boneman2 wrote:^^^^ Rubio is unproven, so atleast let him play before writing him off. Like Kahn, I was very high on Flynn because he is so damn competitive( see triple overtime SYR-UCONN v/s our own AJ Price). All the scouting reports said his defense was insane, and that he was more than capable of running an offense. What is your take on his first season MNPacersfan? 14pt/2.5 bds/ 4.5 as/1 st---28 mpg

I'd give you our first for either one of them.

Letting Rubio fall further was not an option someone HAD to take him. If nothing else, he's a great asset. There are several teams with interest in Rubio. If he doesn't end up in MN, a great asset should be available in trade.
Points on Flynn (in no specific order):
*He's less concerned with running the offense for the team than running the offense for Jonny. The team is slower, the ball moves less and the other players seem confused by his actions. It was also frustrating to see him getting more minutes than Ramon Sessions, who could teach Flynn a few things.
*Flynn needs a full off-season of work on his handle. He is much faster than his skills allow right now.
*He hasn't taken the hint that being 5'8" or so in the NBA means you probably shouldn't drive the hoop all the time. Sometimes he gets bailed out, most he gets stopped cold. To his credit he was starting to use his mid and long range games more as the season wore on.

Coming into the draft I thought that Flynn was a 2-3 year project. I still think that. AJ Price is better at commanding an offense than Flynn is, but Flynn's speed and athleticism will help him grow into a better player than Price. Flynn's a smart kid. With the right mentoring and offseason coaching plans he'll get better. But it's hard for me to imagine him being better than Curry, Jennings, Lawson... I also have trouble seeing him as a real defensive stopper. He just doesn't seem to get the on-ball defense (there's a local analyst that blames the vaunted Syracuse zone for that). I picture him being as relevant as Eric Maynor, but without the ability to play the 2 for stretches. So they spent the 6th pick in a point guard rich draft to select a backup PG and leave starters on the board.

Every franchise makes mistakes when they draft, but the Wolves make mistakes repeatedly, and with such incompetence. It gets frustrating quickly.