Humble Pistons Trade Proposal

[GJense4181]

But really, you could stand to not be so rude.

[shrink]

Haha.
Didn't know that one player over 30 was a grenade.

Check our roster next time. We would not want to use our cap room at $12.5 mil a year on a guy that won't be around by the time we get to be a competitor.

You mean I posted your resulting lineup without checking your roster first!?
Damn, I'm good.

Rosters contain ages. Line-ups do not.

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages ... ?teamId=17

[Esohny]

Because you'd demand the #7?

If I was trading with Detroit? Yes, because there isn't anything else I'd want for the Wolves. Definitely not Hamilton, anyway.

[GJense4181]

If you're willing to be polite:
Prince*/Wilcox*/Maxiell (3 yrs 15 million) for Jefferson/Gomes/Sessions (all with 3 year contracts, totalling 68.2 million).

Stuckey/Sessions
Hamilton/Gordon
Jerebko/Daye
Villanueva/Gomes
Jefferson

and

Flynn/(Rubio)
Brewer/Ellington
Prince*/
Love/Maxiell
(Cousins)/Hollins/Jawai**/Wilcox*
*=expiring
**=QO

[Esohny]

If you're willing to be polite:
Prince*/Wilcox*/Maxiell (3 yrs 15 million) for Jefferson/Gomes/Sessions (all with 3 year contracts, totalling 68.2 million).

Stuckey/Sessions
Hamilton/Gordon
Jerebko/Daye
Villanueva/Gomes
Jefferson

and

Flynn/(Rubio)
Brewer/Ellington
Prince*/
Love/Maxiell
(Cousins)/Hollins/Jawai**/Wilcox*
*=expiring
**=QO

Sigh. Still not close.

[GJense4181]

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/rosters/rosterview.jsp?teamId=17

No, I understood that your team is young, and that after any of these trades the oldest remaining Timberwolf would be Ryan Hollins.

[shrink]

Look - the majority of DET fans have said that Prince + #7 for Jefferson is fair. You're asking to take out the #7, remove Gomes partially guaranteed contract (costing us cap space), and Sessions (who has a better-than-expiring contract. In other words:

Jefferson >> Prince
Gomes > Maxiel
Sessions > Wilcox

You're not close. You should visit the trade boards, and review the DET trades over there to get a better feel for values.

[shrink]

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/rosters/rosterview.jsp?teamId=17

No, I understood that your team is young, and that after any of these trades the oldest remaining Timberwolf would be Ryan Hollins.

I'm beginning to think you're a bit.

No, BEFORE these trades, the oldest player we'd have is hollins, at age 25.

AFTER these trades, the oldest timberwolf would be Prince (30) or Hamilton (32)

[GJense4181]

REMAINING Timberwolf.
i.e. previously on your roster, not traded away.

[GJense4181]

Look - the majority of DET fans have said that Prince + #7 for Jefferson is fair. You're asking to take out the #7, remove Gomes partially guaranteed contract (costing us cap space), and Sessions (who has a better-than-expiring contract. In other words:

Jefferson >> Prince
Gomes > Maxiel
Sessions > Wilcox

You're not close. You should visit the trade boards, and review the DET trades over there to get a better feel for values.

I understand that if Rubio comes over in the next two years and you have not moved Flynn, Sessions will lose value as a now third string PG or undersized SG (which begs the question-what happens to Ellington?). Of course, in the third year, he would become an expiring contract, and his value would raise regardless.
I understand that once you find a legitimate starting SG (probably Evan Turner), Brewer or Gomes will have to permanently move to the bench. I wouldn't expect either to re-up with the team to be a perennial backup.

At some point soon, both Sessions and Gomes will become worse than average contracts. Just trying to help you consolidate.

[Esohny]

Look - the majority of DET fans have said that Prince + #7 for Jefferson is fair. You're asking to take out the #7, remove Gomes partially guaranteed contract (costing us cap space), and Sessions (who has a better-than-expiring contract. In other words:

Jefferson >> Prince
Gomes > Maxiel
Sessions > Wilcox

You're not close. You should visit the trade boards, and review the DET trades over there to get a better feel for values.

I understand that if Rubio comes over in the next two years and you have not moved Flynn, Sessions will lose value as a now third string PG or undersized SG (which begs the question-what happens to Ellington?). Of course, in the third year, he would become an expiring contract, and his value would raise regardless.
I understand that once you find a legitimate starting SG (probably Evan Turner), Brewer or Gomes will have to permanently move to the bench. I wouldn't expect either to re-up with the team to be a perennial backup.

At some point soon, both Sessions and Gomes will become worse than average contracts. Just trying to help you consolidate.

So we give away value as well as the best player in the deal to "consolidate?" The Wolves could trade Sessions or Gomes for actual value, or cut Gomes' partially guaranteed contract, or keep them both as solid, reasonably priced bench players. All of these are better options.

[slinky]

I understand that if Rubio comes over in the next two years and you have not moved Flynn, Sessions will lose value as a now third string PG or undersized SG (which begs the question-what happens to Ellington?). Of course, in the third year, he would become an expiring contract, and his value would raise regardless.
I understand that once you find a legitimate starting SG (probably Evan Turner), Brewer or Gomes will have to permanently move to the bench. I wouldn't expect either to re-up with the team to be a perennial backup.

Sessions value doesnt plummet if he is the 3rd string PG. His value to the wolves plummets, but to another team it will stay relatively the same. He becomes less valuable to the wolves, but unless his contract becomes uglier or his skills diminish his value remains to other teams in search of a PG.

With that said this is RealGm, and posters here only want to trade for guys they see play. It is true than that as a 3rd string PG, sessions wouldnt be valuable on RealGM because no one wants to trade for someone who they havent seen. Actual GMs are slightly different because they have scouting reports from previous years, and past game tape at their finger tips.

I guess it depends on how 'real' we want to make these boards...

[mandurugo]

Considering the Rip idea, I actually think he would be a perfect player for the wolves to get. He has the skills and the experience to help shape a young team that has no idea how to win. Unfortunately his price tag is a bit high - is there anyone of his pedigree available at a decent price? Another example: Terry Porter was such a great pick-up for the wolves at the time, he had been an integral player of a championship caliber team and he could still play pretty well when the wolves got him. The wolves really need to target an older player or two like this I think. Maybe Prince qualifies, I suppose, but I always felt Rip was a leader and Prince a follower...

[skorff26]

Look - the majority of DET fans have said that Prince + #7 for Jefferson is fair. You're asking to take out the #7, remove Gomes partially guaranteed contract (costing us cap space), and Sessions (who has a better-than-expiring contract. In other words:

Jefferson >> Prince
Gomes > Maxiel
Sessions > Wilcox

You're not close. You should visit the trade boards, and review the DET trades over there to get a better feel for values.

I understand that if Rubio comes over in the next two years and you have not moved Flynn, Sessions will lose value as a now third string PG or undersized SG (which begs the question-what happens to Ellington?). Of course, in the third year, he would become an expiring contract, and his value would raise regardless.
I understand that once you find a legitimate starting SG (probably Evan Turner), Brewer or Gomes will have to permanently move to the bench. I wouldn't expect either to re-up with the team to be a perennial backup.

At some point soon, both Sessions and Gomes will become worse than average contracts. Just trying to help you consolidate.

Jefferson>>Prince (I hope you won't argue that because of age and production)

Gomes>Maxiel... I'd put $100 that Gomes won't be here next year, his contract is extremely valuable since it's partially guaranteed; plus we could just cut him ourselves and save the money. Also if for some reason we do keep him, we would be paying Gomes LESS then Maxiell and they'd both be only backups (we have Love, Maxiel is on the bench for sure)

Sessions>Wilcox... Sessions has value, we could trade him for something. Wilcox has no value other then that of an expiring. Instead of throwing Sessions/Flynn away for garbage when Rubio comes over, we could deal 1 of them for something that will actually help out team.


Think before you post... it'd be like us offering you Ryan Hollins for Austin Daye since you have Prince/Jerebko both ahead of Daye and you could use Hollins... you wouldn't like that offer since you know that Daye could fetch you something better then Hollins; so quit trying to cram your garbage down our throats.

[GJense4181]

What a **** rude board.
Seriously. This could have been a far less insulting experience.

[Foye]

REMAINING Timberwolf.
i.e. previously on your roster, not traded away.

No Hollins gets cut

[Esohny]

What a **** rude board.
Seriously. This could have been a far less insulting experience.

It's "rude" to explain (with more respect than this proposal deserves) why a trade proposal is unfair and undesirable?

The problem actually seems to be that you can't handle criticism.

[Swimmer]

GJense, I think the first couple posters were pretty reasonable in telling you that your value was waay waaaay off. I guess your subsequent offers were better (I guess??), but your value is still totally off base. If you keep posting trades that do not offer benefits to the counterparty, I'm not too sure what you are expecting. As it is, you should consider yourself lucky that you received 5 pages of feedback on your trade proposal.

I think MN fans would pay only up to expirings for any of Maxiell, Prince, Rip, and Wilcox (this is being generous), and don't really have interest in Stuckey (anyone feel free to let me know if I'm wrong here). As a result, you keep offering essentially expirings for assets (team's best player who isn't that overpaid, unguaranteed contract, young PG they JUST signed) to a team that isn't *really* struggling to make money.