D Smith: Bosh for Lee, Gallo (Update pg 9)

[3ptchucker]

LOL @ at those saying Hedo's the better defender than Gallo... Gallo in what basically was his rookie season has shown more defense than Hedo ever has.

+1.

Gallo is a good defender, imo.

Gallinari is a good defender

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CK718NC7tw

[James_Raptors]

The scary thing is that David Lee actually got a vote for DPOY (3rd place vote) and he got a 1st team vote last season. I just find that sort of thing hilarious.

...and no, I'm not kidding about this.

Last year - No Lee in this list. Lol at Turk

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/04/21/dpoy ... index.html


This year- Lee is in this list.
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/04/20/howa ... l?rss=true

Sorry was busy and posted that quickly without providing all the right details.
Last year he got 1 vote for the all-defensive team and this year he got 1 vote for DPOY.

[sl64]

Honestly, we would be lucky to get anything for Bosh... and Lee isn't exactly a nobody. He's like 80-85% the player Bosh is, offensively and defensively (yeah yeah Lee is terrible defensively... but have you been watching Bosh these last few years? He's been nearly as bad at times).

Lee and Gallo? Gallo and picks? Are you guys out of your minds? We're going to be taking anything we can get for Bosh, or else he'll just go sign wherever he wants. We have minimal leverage here... and even that hinges on Bosh not deciding "screw it, this is taking too long, I'll just leave the money on the table and sign with them directly". The only reason we'd even get a player of Lee's calibre is that the Knicks don't care since they would otherwise just lose him for nothing, like us. This deal makes sense for both teams. I'll take 80 cents on the dollar over waiting for some fair value offer that will obviously never materialize... in other words, zero cents on the dollar. We could always trade one of Bargs or Lee later and get a more balanced frontcourt, since there's always a market for young bigs with 20ppg potential, even if they're just the worst defensive players ever... that is, we could do that if Colangelo manages to get his head out of his ass by that time.

[ash_k]

D'Antoni and Walsh are high on Galinari. (picked him 6th in the draft)

realistic option in a sign and trade:
Bosh for Wilson Chandler + Eddy Curry(Expiring)
Both being "Isaiah Thomas' players"

[3ptchucker]

In the beginning of the season I wanted to trade Hedo for Gallo and Hill. I can't see the knicks moving him now.

[andyo]

LOL @ at those saying Hedo's the better defender than Gallo... Gallo in what basically was his rookie season has shown more defense than Hedo ever has.

+1.

Gallo is a good defender, imo.

Gallinari is a good defender

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CK718NC7tw

The hate for Hedo's defense is unfounded though. He is one of the best defenders on this team, not saying much. But at the nba level, he is at the very least an average defender. He gets fatigued at times, but he's always played good defense on elite scores like Peirce. Gallo is by no means a GOOD defender either..you guys must have very low standards. To say Hedo's defense is better than Gallo isn't outrageous either. I for one, think Hedo is a better man on man defender, Gallo is better on help. Neither are "good" at the nba level.

And for all the people that want David Lee, he is the worst defensive big in the league by far. His offense game is money, but I'm tired of going through the treadmill with these players that don't play defense. Ultimately, they don't get you anywhere if your goal is to win a championship. So we are going to free Bargs into the 4 spot, his natural position and where he can excel... just so we can put him back in the 5, or even better, slot David Lee into the 5? I'd rather take a Beasley deal to be honest.

[hype_2004]

This team needs athletes that can shoot, intimidate and defend. David Lee is a stat stuffer that brings none of those qualities. He will not be scaring anyone down the lane, we would likely be the worst defensive team in the NBA and would lose a ton games with a guy like Lee patrolling the paint.

[pspot]

Bosh will be eaten alive in NY if he Lebron or Wade don't join him. Actually either way if he thinks TO is bad he's ****

[TribeZulu]

realistic option in a sign and trade:
Bosh for Wilson Chandler + Eddy Curry(Expiring)

I can guarantee that Colangelo would never make this deal. I think we can all agree that BC is a bit of a golden boy... a deal like this, one year before BC's contract expires, would be political suicide for him.

And why trade for a contract that expires next year, when he can use the money this year? That doesn't make much sense at all. And Wilson Chandler is hardly much incentive at all. You could pikc up a better player with the MLE.

[Reignman]

The fact that people would be ok with a lineup of Jose/DD/Gallo/Bargs/Lee tells me everything I need to know about their views on basketball.

We might as well fold up shop if this is what our fanbase is like. Leo should start doing those basketball 101 infomercials again, it's clearly still needed north of the border.

[raps4life~]

The fact that people would be ok with a lineup of Jose/DD/Gallo/Bargs/Lee tells me everything I need to know about their views on basketball.

We might as well fold up shop if this is what our fanbase is like. Leo should start doing those basketball 101 infomercials again, it's clearly still needed north of the border.

I would be OK with that lineup because it would get us a Brandon Knight / Perry Jones / Harrison Barnes next season.

That's a really young lineup and Gallo is a good prospect and can be easily traded. Jose could also be traded as his contract will be a year short.

I think you need a Tanking 101 lesson.

In terms of value, unless we get Bynum, that's the best trade we can do. Of course there is no way in hell NY give up Gallo like that, so this entire thread is pretty baseless.

[ash_k]

realistic option in a sign and trade:
Bosh for Wilson Chandler + Eddy Curry(Expiring)

I can guarantee that Colangelo would never make this deal. I think we can all agree that BC is a bit of a golden boy... a deal like this, one year before BC's contract expires, would be political suicide for him.

And why trade for a contract that expires next year, when he can use the money this year? That doesn't make much sense at all. And Wilson Chandler is hardly much incentive at all. You could pikc up a better player with the MLE.

Let's not forget, it is a sign and trade(multiple parties would've to come to an agreement), so unless you want to be locked up with DLee for 5/70 (assuming he wants to play here) , I rather go for a younger 2 way-player with all-star potential written all over (Wilson Chandler born in '87)

[Yuri Vaultin]

The fact that people would be ok with a lineup of Jose/DD/Gallo/Bargs/Lee tells me everything I need to know about their views on basketball.

We might as well fold up shop if this is what our fanbase is like. Leo should start doing those basketball 101 infomercials again, it's clearly still needed north of the border.

It might just be a situation where Colangelo accumulates players that have value around the league. Regardless of his defensive woes, David Lee has value and can be traded - don't think of trade scenarios as simply getting players that will be with the Raptors for life. BC will probably look to flip pieces, just as he would if he ends up with prospects and a TPE.

[Reignman]

The fact that people would be ok with a lineup of Jose/DD/Gallo/Bargs/Lee tells me everything I need to know about their views on basketball.

We might as well fold up shop if this is what our fanbase is like. Leo should start doing those basketball 101 infomercials again, it's clearly still needed north of the border.

I would be OK with that lineup because it would get us a Brandon Knight / Perry Jones / Harrison Barnes next season.

That's an really young lineup and Gallo is a good prospect and can be easily traded. Jose could also be traded as his contract will be a year short.

I think you need a Tanking 101 lesson.

In terms of value, unless we get Bynum, that's the best trade we can do. Of course there is no way in hell NY give up Gallo like that, so this entire thread is pretty baseless.

If you want to tank wouldn't it be best to either let Bosh walk or to collect some picks? Maybe trying to tag Hedo with him and take back a massive TPE? Taking on Lee for at least $10 mil doesn't seem like a "rebuilding" move to me. The idea is to shed salary and play the young guys. Do everything in your power to get rid of Jose and you're well on your way.

Secondly, if you're rebuilding, you'd probably want to build a balanced team. If Andrea is still here you better fill all the other positions with solid defense to compensate. Lee does not fit the bill, especially since he'd be Andrea's frontcourt partner.

You guys don't even know how to tank right, jeez.

[Reignman]

The fact that people would be ok with a lineup of Jose/DD/Gallo/Bargs/Lee tells me everything I need to know about their views on basketball.

We might as well fold up shop if this is what our fanbase is like. Leo should start doing those basketball 101 infomercials again, it's clearly still needed north of the border.

It might just be a situation where Colangelo accumulates players that have value around the league. Regardless of his defensive woes, David Lee has value and can be traded - don't think of trade scenarios as simply getting players that will be with the Raptors for life. BC will probably look to flip pieces, just as he would if he ends up with prospects and a TPE.

I'd agree with you if Colangelo had shown any inclination in 4 years that he understands the concept of buy-low sell-high.

His MO is buy-high never-sell, therefore I'd stay are far away from this plan as possible.

[TribeZulu]

The fact that people would be ok with a lineup of Jose/DD/Gallo/Bargs/Lee tells me everything I need to know about their views on basketball.

We might as well fold up shop if this is what our fanbase is like. Leo should start doing those basketball 101 infomercials again, it's clearly still needed north of the border.

Reignman, I see it like this. Should Bosh leave we all want to get the best return possible for him. If the best return is Lee and Gallo, then I say we make the deal so long as Lee isn't signed to stupid money. Yes, the team will probably perform worse, but frankly what's the big difference when you're the 9th seed? 9th or 12th... what's the difference?

And, we'd be adding a nice prospect in Gallo. Lee would probably put up big numbers and could likely be moved in a trade.

I don't think anyone is excited about the deal, and I don't think anyone thinks the team would be better off in the short run. But in the long-run, it's really not that much worse then where we are right now.

That being said, I hope we get more for Bosh. If the deal is with New York, I hope Hedo is in the deal.

[raps4life~]

The fact that people would be ok with a lineup of Jose/DD/Gallo/Bargs/Lee tells me everything I need to know about their views on basketball.

We might as well fold up shop if this is what our fanbase is like. Leo should start doing those basketball 101 infomercials again, it's clearly still needed north of the border.

I would be OK with that lineup because it would get us a Brandon Knight / Perry Jones / Harrison Barnes next season.

That's an really young lineup and Gallo is a good prospect and can be easily traded. Jose could also be traded as his contract will be a year short.

I think you need a Tanking 101 lesson.

In terms of value, unless we get Bynum, that's the best trade we can do. Of course there is no way in hell NY give up Gallo like that, so this entire thread is pretty baseless.

If you want to tank wouldn't it be best to either let Bosh walk or to collect some picks? Maybe trying to tag Hedo with him and take back a massive TPE? Taking on Lee for at least $10 mil doesn't seem like a "rebuilding" move to me. The idea is to shed salary and play the young guys. Do everything in your power to get rid of Jose and you're well on your way.

Secondly, if you're rebuilding, you'd probably want to build a balanced team. If Andrea is still here you better fill all the other positions with solid defense to compensate. Lee does not fit the bill, especially since he'd be Andrea's frontcourt partner.

You guys don't even know how to tank right, jeez.

Sorry but Lee is not some **** ass throw away. He's a very good player. His defense is bad-yes, but he is still a pretty valuable player who is very young.

Getting Gallo and Lee would give us some nice assets that would be fairly movable. Bargnanis contract would be one year shorter as well, and we can evaluate Bargs/Lee at that time and trade one of them. Gallo is an excellent prospect, plays very good defense and is also a very tradable peice. Plus we could get a top 3 pick next year.

[pspot]

Maybe sell NY on Jose being a Nash type PG for D'Antoni, that would definitely help with this trade

[freakoutguy]

NY would be the ideal destination for Hedo"Party Animal" Turkoglu. If you thought he was living it up in TO,wait till he gets to NYC

[Reignman]

I would be OK with that lineup because it would get us a Brandon Knight / Perry Jones / Harrison Barnes next season.

That's an really young lineup and Gallo is a good prospect and can be easily traded. Jose could also be traded as his contract will be a year short.

I think you need a Tanking 101 lesson.

In terms of value, unless we get Bynum, that's the best trade we can do. Of course there is no way in hell NY give up Gallo like that, so this entire thread is pretty baseless.

If you want to tank wouldn't it be best to either let Bosh walk or to collect some picks? Maybe trying to tag Hedo with him and take back a massive TPE? Taking on Lee for at least $10 mil doesn't seem like a "rebuilding" move to me. The idea is to shed salary and play the young guys. Do everything in your power to get rid of Jose and you're well on your way.

Secondly, if you're rebuilding, you'd probably want to build a balanced team. If Andrea is still here you better fill all the other positions with solid defense to compensate. Lee does not fit the bill, especially since he'd be Andrea's frontcourt partner.

You guys don't even know how to tank right, jeez.

Sorry but Lee is not some **** ass throw away. He's a very good player. His defense is bad-yes, but he is still a pretty valuable player who is very young.

Getting Gallo and Lee would give us some nice assets that would be fairly movable. Bargnanis contract would be one year shorter as well, and we can evaluate Bargs/Lee at that time and trade one of them. Gallo is an excellent prospect, plays very good defense and is also a very tradable peice. Plus we could get a top 3 pick next year.

yeah, Gallo would be decent from a prospect perspective but not taking on Lee at what he'll command. I still wouldn't be happy with Gallo at the 3 with Bargs in the front court but I'd be willing to try it out. Other than Gallo it should be about picks or other prospects while getting rid of Hedo.

If we're rebuilding, Andrea should be the only big contract on our books. Everyone else should be on the rookie scale or on value deals like Jack.

Also, adding Lee means we probably drop a few spots in the lottery and that would defeat the whole purpose of rebuilding because this team without Bosh would need to really luck out with high picks for the next year or two.

Bottom line, adding Lee would be a terrible move anyway you slice it.